Coulter.....That's My Girl

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Zap wrote:
Every thread regarding Coulter has resulted in her getting blasted for her mean spirited ways.

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Amen to that; whenever I hear about how mean a Republican is I am always reminded of this quote about Clarence Thomas.

Columnist Julianne Malveaux told a television audience, “I hope [Thomas?s] wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter, and he dies early, like many black men do, of heart disease. . . .He?s an absolutely reprehensible person.”

And his brilliant response:

“Long gone is the time,” he says, “when we [blacks] opposed the notion that we all looked alike and talked alike. [But] somehow we have come to exalt the new black stereotype above all and demand conformity to that norm. . . . [However], I assert my right to think for myself, to refuse to have my ideas assigned to me as though I was an intellectual slave because I?m black.”

Agreed. Anyone who thinks O’Reilly is a conservative isn’t paying attention or is just plain lazy.

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CDM said: “Agreed. Anyone who thinks O’Reilly is a conservative isn’t paying attention or is just plain lazy.”

Um, then what is he? A populist?

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[quote]dermo wrote:
CDM said: “Agreed. Anyone who thinks O’Reilly is a conservative isn’t paying attention or is just plain lazy.”

Um, then what is he? A populist?

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He supports gun control, same sex civil unions, the adapotion of children by gay parents, considers global warming an established fact, supports legalization of marijunana, and opposes capital punishment. None of those are postions generally associated with conservatives.

So tell me, what would you call him?

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[quote]dermo wrote:
CDM said: “Agreed. Anyone who thinks O’Reilly is a conservative isn’t paying attention or is just plain lazy.”

Um, then what is he? A populist?

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O’reilly thinks the war was a “screw up”. Therefore, they have cast him out of the conservative party.

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[quote]CDM wrote:
dermo wrote:
CDM said: “Agreed. Anyone who thinks O’Reilly is a conservative isn’t paying attention or is just plain lazy.”

Um, then what is he? A populist?

He supports gun control, same sex civil unions, the adapotion of children by gay parents, considers global warming an established fact, supports legalization of marijunana, and opposes capital punishment. None of those are postions generally associated with conservatives.

So tell me, what would you call him?

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I don’t listen to him regularly, but it surprises me to hear that those are his positions.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
dermo wrote:
CDM said: “Agreed. Anyone who thinks O’Reilly is a conservative isn’t paying attention or is just plain lazy.”

Um, then what is he? A populist?

O’reilly thinks the war was a “screw up”. Therefore, they have cast him out of the conservative party.
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dermo hit it. O’Reilly is a populist - he doesn’t really have any particular philosophy to which he adheres. His views are an ad hoc amalgamation of how his emotions direct him to yell about each issue.

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[quote]dermo wrote:
CDM said: “Agreed. Anyone who thinks O’Reilly is a conservative isn’t paying attention or is just plain lazy.”

Um, then what is he? A populist?

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O’Reilly is all over the place. While he usually comes down of the conservative side of issues he does not always. He seems like the most free thinker of all the talking heads on TV.

Hannity and others seem to march lock step with the conservative movement much more than O’Reilly.

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I would like to see O’Reilly’s quotes on the above issues. I actually think that he is the worst of the pundits, because he portrays himself as rational and unbiased at times, but he is a serial misinformer. But that is for another thread.

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[quote]dermo wrote:
CDM wrote:
dermo wrote:

I don’t listen to him regularly, but it surprises me to hear that those are his positions.[/quote]

I don’t either, if he is going to have a topic on that holds some interest for me, I will watch. But for the most part I think the guy is a self righteous, pompous blowhard, at best.

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[quote]dermo wrote:
I would like to see O’Reilly’s quotes on the above issues. I actually think that he is the worst of the pundits, because he portrays himself as rational and unbiased at times, but he is a serial misinformer. But that is for another thread.[/quote]

I think there is a bit truth to that. He is not a ranter like Coulter.

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I will give a few examples of what I mean about O’Reilly, just off of the top of my head:

  • I saw him on Letterman recently, and he was discussing the real war (not Iraq, but the War on Christmas). He claimed that a certain school had objected to the song “silent Night”, and replaced the words with secular, somewhat pagan lyrics about a tree in fright, growing cold in the night, etc. It turns out that this example was from a school play, and that the song had been written by some guy who is the head of a christian association, and that the play has been performed in churches all across the Western US. But at the time, no one could correct him.

  • When Barbara Boxer and Condi Rice had their little sparring match during the confirmation hearings, he for weeks quoted Boxer as saying that Condi “had lost respect for the troops”. Any person (other than maybe poor Rush Limbaugh) could hear that she said “respect for the truth”. “Truth”, not “troops”. Bill misquoted her for weeks, and when a caller called in to correct him, he lambasted the caller, and stood by his lie.

  • His bio in the superbowl program. He claimed that he was an all-conference punter at Marist who lead the conference in net punting average. He also recalled getting on his bike as a kid to ride to Hofstra to watch Joe Namath practice with the Jets. As Keith Olbermann pointed out, Marist is a club team, and does not have all-conference or punting stats. Joe Namath never practiced at Hofstra, and by the time the Jets did, Bill was in his 20’s.

I can live with the blowhard bluster and the massive hypocrisy and egotism, but the fact that his lies reach millions of listeners, and so many people take them for truths, disturbs me.

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[quote]O’Reilly is a populist - he doesn’t really have any particular philosophy to which he adheres. His views are an ad hoc amalgamation of how his emotions direct him to yell about each issue.
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I’d have to agree for the most part, however I do find it very suspicious how O’Reilly’s stated positions on some issues track so well with the public opinion polls. Aside from stances on boiler plate political issues (abortion, taxes, etc.) some of O’Reilly’s opinion changes coencided very well with the changing majority position in public opinion polls.

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Dammit, how can I concentrate on the thread with the ‘football’ image at left!

Not only is Ann Coulter a goddess, she’s a goddess with brains! Sure, she’s opinionated – that’s far better than some milktoast that never, ever would say something offensive to anyone at all, ever. Blech!!

My take: “Fry their balls, Annie!!”

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[quote]harris447 wrote:

Dumbass.

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This means that you are personally attacking someone who pointed out that many democrats were personally attacking Ann Coulter for her personal attacks on liberal democrats.

Hmmm…ever wonder why many are frustrated with politics?

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Coulter cracks me up sometimes.

I think the Democrats hate her because she is just as bitter as they are.

I think it’s her lying, slander, and misinformation that people with sense/brains dislike.[/quote]

Please point out where she is lying in the above article. I ask this because I really want to know, I’m not trying to be confrontational.

It all seemed true enough to me. But I might have missed something.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
“I don’t really care if they make sense, they must be opposed. I don’t have logic on my side, so I will attack them personally.”

That’s exactly what Ann Coulter does. Continually and constantly.

Kennedy! Byrd! Kennedy! Byrd!

Nothing about their politics, just their personal lives.

Imagine the fun she would have with an ex-cokehead president, a vice-president who was arrested twice for drunk driving, and a first lady who killed someone in a car accident.

Now, where could we find a motley crew like that?[/quote]

Wow…you are one mean guy.

How many things could we dredge up about Bill Clinton, Hillary and the others who occupied the White House for 8 years?

You know the laundry list right?

Why don’t we just talk issues, they’re interesting enough.

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Controversial is fine, and outspoken far preferable to boring (these are entertainers after all). Saying hateful things about killing all muslims unless they convert to christianity is hateful, and bad for this country.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
“I don’t really care if they make sense, they must be opposed. I don’t have logic on my side, so I will attack them personally.”

That’s exactly what Ann Coulter does. Continually and constantly.

Kennedy! Byrd! Kennedy! Byrd!

Nothing about their politics, just their personal lives.

Imagine the fun she would have with an ex-cokehead president, a vice-president who was arrested twice for drunk driving, and a first lady who killed someone in a car accident.

Now, where could we find a motley crew like that?

Wow…you are one mean guy.

How many things could we dredge up about Bill Clinton, Hillary and the others who occupied the White House for 8 years?

You know the laundry list right?

Why don’t we just talk issues, they’re interesting enough.

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Zeb,
I agree. That is why I kind of dread the thought of Hillary running…all of the scandals, real and imagined, will be dredged back up.

That is my point that I was saying to Zap earlier. When the namecalling starts, the interesting conversation ends. It is not, as headhunter alleged, about being a “milktoast”. I like Howard Dean because he says what he thinks, even if it is politically incorrect. But the namecalling, and recycling of old scandals, makes me want to tune out.

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I love how the libs throw the words “hateful,” and “mean” around like they’re hand grenades. It’s politics, not ballet. These people get paid to make each other look bad. Do you want an apology because we play the game as well and as hard as you? Ok, look, we’re really sorry that our pit bull Anne got out of her cage and hurt your feelings. Here’s a tissue, now quit your fuckin whining and go home.

Oh, and she may be a bitter, hateful, mud-slinging bitch, she may represent the ugly side of the political landscape, and she may be a hypocritical slut, but all of that doesn’t stop her from being absolutely right in this case.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
“I don’t really care if they make sense, they must be opposed. I don’t have logic on my side, so I will attack them personally.”

That’s exactly what Ann Coulter does. Continually and constantly.

Kennedy! Byrd! Kennedy! Byrd!

Nothing about their politics, just their personal lives.

Imagine the fun she would have with an ex-cokehead president, a vice-president who was arrested twice for drunk driving, and a first lady who killed someone in a car accident.

Now, where could we find a motley crew like that?

Wow…you are one mean guy.

How many things could we dredge up about Bill Clinton, Hillary and the others who occupied the White House for 8 years?

You know the laundry list right?

Why don’t we just talk issues, they’re interesting enough.

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That was the (missed)point of my post. You NEVER hear liberals talking about Cheney’s drunk driving, or Bush’s alcohol/drug problems, etc.

Whereas, Clinton gets called a rapist and his wife gets called a lesbian constantly by the right.