Corporations and Food, Money, Finances

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The good old days, crap. There were no good old days. There isn’t enough land for everyone to farm. So we have a market. Since I’ll a citizen I have a right to use that market. I also have the right to demand my food not be tainted. When I do that the market responds. It is however more expensive and will remain so until there is a greater need in the market. People don’t seem to understand their power, they’re sheep going to the slaughter.

As there should be a separation between Church and State. It should also be so with food and corporations. Share holder profit should not be the primary goal of those handling our food. Quality above all else.

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[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

1 billion persons live in this, 1 person in 6 or one third of the urban population. ‘‘You always have the freedom to pick all the berries you want and hunt! lol’’

I am kind of straying away from corporation and finance but those people would have been better in the stone age.
[/quote]

By ‘better’, do you mean ‘starved to death?’ Hunting and gathering could not nearly support all those people you profess to care about.[/quote]

I am talking about ‘‘living the stone age life’’ and the main aspect of it is living in a world where there is very little people. The world is now overpopulated. This is our biggest problem and this is the issue I feel the most concerned about. I have posted alot about this.

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Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you get your information from Zeitgeist and “Inside Job”…?

Like I said, your post reads as satire to anyone who knows what they are taking about. Those are probably two of the worst sources to get information about economics from…

I have watched Zeitgeist and it pretty much hits on every fallacy in the book. It has so many contradictions and inconsistencies it’s incredible. Anyone who has taken a first year macro/micro course will be able to point out dozens of DEEP flaws in its reasoning. This is not a matter of opinion either.

Please don’t think you can get good information about economics from conspiracy theorist and Hollywood…

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[quote]streamline wrote:
I am not sure where everyone is getting their information from, but it’s not the same place as me. If anyone truly wants to no what the fuck really went down. From the beginning, step by step. Watch the documentary “Inside Job” by Charles Ferguson. You can watch it free online. This film is narrated by Matt Damon and was made after the fact. If you want to hear from those who saw the bubble for exactly what it was. Check out the Zeitgeistmovie.com they called it before it happened.

Next I think a look at the documentary “Food Inc.” There are others but this one will do.

I for one am very selective about everything that goes in my body. I prefer to practice preventive medicine, but I have nothing against modern medicine. I just don’t think it’s the only way.

As for investing, well you watch those documentaries and then tell me how you feel about trusting your money to unregulated businesses.

Here’s one to choke down. An investment company tells a pension plan who are looking for sound investments. (Pension plans can only invest in “AAA stock”) That they have some triple A stock that is a great investment. While at the same time investing in dividend stocks on those same stocks failing.

Many here think people have an option. Think again, globe market crashes effect everyone. Even those being careful have a hard time dealing with crooks.

Yes we can, and most smart ones do shop at local markets. I like shopping local, it keeps my money local and feeds the local economy to a greater degree. Just like air and water pollution you can’t run away from it. You have to try and fix the problem.

[/quote]

I don’t think any body doubts that financial investments are risky.

Was that your point? Financial investments are risky?

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[quote]streamline wrote:
The good old days, crap. There were no good old days. There isn’t enough land for everyone to farm. So we have a market. Since I’ll a citizen I have a right to use that market. I also have the right to demand my food not be tainted. When I do that the market responds. It is however more expensive and will remain so until there is a greater need in the market. People don’t seem to understand their power, they’re sheep going to the slaughter.

As there should be a separation between Church and State. It should also be so with food and corporations. Share holder profit should not be the primary goal of those handling our food. Quality above all else.[/quote]

You are not forced to buy shit which means you are not entitled to any thing. If you don’t like company XYZ’s product, be it meat or a television, don’t buy it. If you don’t like any thing available, make your own or quit whining.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]streamline wrote:
The good old days, crap. There were no good old days. There isn’t enough land for everyone to farm. So we have a market. Since I’ll a citizen I have a right to use that market. I also have the right to demand my food not be tainted. When I do that the market responds. It is however more expensive and will remain so until there is a greater need in the market. People don’t seem to understand their power, they’re sheep going to the slaughter.

As there should be a separation between Church and State. It should also be so with food and corporations. Share holder profit should not be the primary goal of those handling our food. Quality above all else.[/quote]

You are not forced to buy shit which means you are not entitled to any thing. If you don’t like company XYZ’s product, be it meat or a television, don’t buy it. If you don’t like any thing available, make your own or quit whining. [/quote]

Do you know how to read. I think I clearly stated in the first paragraph that I made my demands and the market responded. Yes it costs me more, but I get what I want. I don’t whine I fix it. I know how the fucking world works. Your problem is you wear blinders so you only have to see and read what you want.

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[quote]streamline wrote:
The good old days, crap. There were no good old days. There isn’t enough land for everyone to farm. So we have a market. Since I’ll a citizen I have a right to use that market. I also have the right to demand my food not be tainted. When I do that the market responds. It is however more expensive and will remain so until there is a greater need in the market. People don’t seem to understand their power, they’re sheep going to the slaughter.

As there should be a separation between Church and State. It should also be so with food and corporations. Share holder profit should not be the primary goal of those handling our food. Quality above all else.[/quote]

It’s quite simple - if people cared about quality then PURSUING QUALITY WOULD MAXIMIZE SHAREHOLDERS PROFIT. The two are not in conflict; business will maximize profit by best catering to the desires of the consuming public. If you don’t like the food being produced then you don’t like what people choose to eat. If you think the government should step in and “regulate” “healthy food” then you are saying people shouldn’t have a choice about what they eat.

Again - What you are unknowingly purposing is that people do not have the right to make choices about what they eat. Is this what you want ?

As someone who values healthy eating you should be a fan of the market system. Fat people can have their burgers/fries/dyes/preservatives and you can have your grass feed beef/pesticide free fruit etc. That is the beauty of the market - all people get to make their own choices and have them fulfilled.

You can bet that if the government starting (or I guess we should INCREASED) food regulation it would not turn out as you would hope… they would pander to special interest groups, make decisions based on outdated information etc. Think about the food pyramid… banning of unpasteurized milk etc …

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
^it’s way better to hunt and pick berries (sporadicly and not 12hr per day like some unlucky people) than to have a shitty modern factory job. And what you wrote is calculated for someone is North America and doesnt account for everything you have to pay to live in this society that you wouldnt have to in the stone age.

A big part of humanity that no one thinks about stuck in bidonvilles and in overpopulated messy megalopolis would be better in the stone age. Right now there is a famine in Somalia. Too much people, too little land and ressource. (Just waiting for some christian asshat to tell me that they need to get more crowded). I am sure that they would be like to be teleported to the stone age.

Furthermore no one knows if the lives of an individuals in the past was better or worse than our individual life. It is a pretty big generalisation to say that life sucked for everyone before the fifties (when big corp. started to take over).

Our food production and distrobution system could be A LOT better. Dont forget that on top of everything more than 50% of the food is wasted. [/quote]

And you have the freedom to pick all the berries you want. Corporations have not stolen that from you. I personally enjoy going to the local grocer and picking all the berries I want for a week, hunt all the meet I will need, harvest all the grains, even buy some treats in an hour regardless of the season.

And what do you really have to pay to live? You need food and shelter. You can exist pretty cheaply if you choose.

What the fuck is a bidonville?

I know I’ve broken bones, needed stitches, had tooth aches… with out modern medicine and the corporations that manufacture it, I would have developed some serious chronic pains by now, and I don’t even chase buffalo on horse back. I live a comparably low risk life. I don’t host parasites in my body, I live in a climate controlled shelter… I have been hunting and camping. While fun, I enjoy my ac and heat. I also know new inventions (our current standards of comfortable living were once innovative and new) stick because people prefer them to what they had… probably all that needs to be said which again shows people choose to buy products offered by corporations.

As far as wasted food, every deer and berry in the forest would have been potential food back when. How many died uneaten? Probably like 99.9% [/quote]

1 billion persons live in this, 1 person in 6 or one third of the urban population. ‘‘You always have the freedom to pick all the berries you want and hunt! lol’’

I am kind of straying away from corporation and finance but those people would have been better in the stone age.

Now you say that uneaten animal are wasted food…I am not going to adress this . I will just say that I am not surprised to hear this from someone who lives in Texas. [/quote]

Nobody makes them live there. Stone age people travelled with the seasons. These people can choose to wander too. Berries for picking do exist in the world and on all continents.

And the stone age mans forest is my grocery store. The grocery store is a highly efficient hunting ground if you ask me.

Some meat gets left on the shelf, some deer are left in the forest. Same shit. Keep it apples to apples if you are going to criticize distribution channel efficiency.

And, if any one were to spend the time and money on increasing distribution and decreasing waste, it would be a corporation in the name of profits.
[/quote]

This is pretty funny. If there was a better place for them to go be sure that they would go. What do you want, that they emigrate in Texas? That they go sleep in your street at night and try to sell you cellular phone plastic case and watches in the day?

Or they can always try to wander in search of food (and die) and go to countries such as kenya (go overpopulate filthy refugee camp). There is a famine right now in Somalia. But wait houston guy says there is food to pick everywhere. I don’t know in which world do you live where people can wander around and survive.

About the food distribution sytem, how about you keep it apple to apple? Comparing wild animals of the past and our current system is not the same thing. The difference is the large pop. of wild animals of the past were not there only to be killed by you. So they are not wasted. That is something you can’t grasp being from Texas.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]streamline wrote:
I am not sure where everyone is getting their information from, but it’s not the same place as me. If anyone truly wants to no what the fuck really went down. From the beginning, step by step. Watch the documentary “Inside Job” by Charles Ferguson. You can watch it free online. This film is narrated by Matt Damon and was made after the fact. If you want to hear from those who saw the bubble for exactly what it was. Check out the Zeitgeistmovie.com they called it before it happened.

Next I think a look at the documentary “Food Inc.” There are others but this one will do.

I for one am very selective about everything that goes in my body. I prefer to practice preventive medicine, but I have nothing against modern medicine. I just don’t think it’s the only way.

As for investing, well you watch those documentaries and then tell me how you feel about trusting your money to unregulated businesses.

Here’s one to choke down. An investment company tells a pension plan who are looking for sound investments. (Pension plans can only invest in “AAA stock”) That they have some triple A stock that is a great investment. While at the same time investing in dividend stocks on those same stocks failing.

Many here think people have an option. Think again, globe market crashes effect everyone. Even those being careful have a hard time dealing with crooks.

Yes we can, and most smart ones do shop at local markets. I like shopping local, it keeps my money local and feeds the local economy to a greater degree. Just like air and water pollution you can’t run away from it. You have to try and fix the problem.

[/quote]

I don’t think any body doubts that financial investments are risky.

Was that your point? Financial investments are risky?[/quote]

No my point is fraud. How can an investment company sell stock they say are save then bet the stocks will fail and make millions in profit. Do you fail to see a conflict of interest.

Yes investments are risky. The greater the risk the greater the reward. So when those stock rating are false and the investment company understands that they are false. You’re okay with the people you are paying to invest for you NOT! disclosing everything they know about that stock. I mean that is what they are paid to do, advise you!

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
^it’s way better to hunt and pick berries (sporadicly and not 12hr per day like some unlucky people) than to have a shitty modern factory job. And what you wrote is calculated for someone is North America and doesnt account for everything you have to pay to live in this society that you wouldnt have to in the stone age.

A big part of humanity that no one thinks about stuck in bidonvilles and in overpopulated messy megalopolis would be better in the stone age. Right now there is a famine in Somalia. Too much people, too little land and ressource. (Just waiting for some christian asshat to tell me that they need to get more crowded). I am sure that they would be like to be teleported to the stone age.

Furthermore no one knows if the lives of an individuals in the past was better or worse than our individual life. It is a pretty big generalisation to say that life sucked for everyone before the fifties (when big corp. started to take over).

Our food production and distrobution system could be A LOT better. Dont forget that on top of everything more than 50% of the food is wasted. [/quote]

And you have the freedom to pick all the berries you want. Corporations have not stolen that from you. I personally enjoy going to the local grocer and picking all the berries I want for a week, hunt all the meet I will need, harvest all the grains, even buy some treats in an hour regardless of the season.

And what do you really have to pay to live? You need food and shelter. You can exist pretty cheaply if you choose.

What the fuck is a bidonville?

I know I’ve broken bones, needed stitches, had tooth aches… with out modern medicine and the corporations that manufacture it, I would have developed some serious chronic pains by now, and I don’t even chase buffalo on horse back. I live a comparably low risk life. I don’t host parasites in my body, I live in a climate controlled shelter… I have been hunting and camping. While fun, I enjoy my ac and heat. I also know new inventions (our current standards of comfortable living were once innovative and new) stick because people prefer them to what they had… probably all that needs to be said which again shows people choose to buy products offered by corporations.

As far as wasted food, every deer and berry in the forest would have been potential food back when. How many died uneaten? Probably like 99.9% [/quote]

1 billion persons live in this, 1 person in 6 or one third of the urban population. ‘‘You always have the freedom to pick all the berries you want and hunt! lol’’

I am kind of straying away from corporation and finance but those people would have been better in the stone age.

Now you say that uneaten animal are wasted food…I am not going to adress this . I will just say that I am not surprised to hear this from someone who lives in Texas. [/quote]

Nobody makes them live there. Stone age people travelled with the seasons. These people can choose to wander too. Berries for picking do exist in the world and on all continents.

And the stone age mans forest is my grocery store. The grocery store is a highly efficient hunting ground if you ask me.

Some meat gets left on the shelf, some deer are left in the forest. Same shit. Keep it apples to apples if you are going to criticize distribution channel efficiency.

And, if any one were to spend the time and money on increasing distribution and decreasing waste, it would be a corporation in the name of profits.
[/quote]

This is pretty funny. If there was a better place for them to go be sure that they would go. What do you want, that they emigrate in Texas? That they go sleep in your street at night and try to sell you cellular phone plastic case and watches in the day?

Or they can always try to wander in search of food (and die) and go to countries such as kenya (go overpopulate filthy refugee camp). There is a famine right now in Somalia. But wait houston guy says there is food to pick everywhere. I don’t know in which world do you live where people can wander around and survive.

About the food distribution sytem, how about you keep it apple to apple? Comparing wild animals of the past and our current system is not the same thing. The difference is the large pop. of wild animals of the past were not there only to be killed by you. So they are not wasted. That is something you can’t grasp being from Texas.[/quote]

Or… wait for it… corporations could provide relatively cheap food to the masses… like we have here in the cushy US… my point exactly…thanks!

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[quote]streamline wrote:
I am not sure where everyone is getting their information from, but it’s not the same place as me. If anyone truly wants to no what the fuck really went down. From the beginning, step by step. Watch the documentary “Inside Job” by Charles Ferguson. You can watch it free online. This film is narrated by Matt Damon and was made after the fact. If you want to hear from those who saw the bubble for exactly what it was. Check out the Zeitgeistmovie.com they called it before it happened.

Next I think a look at the documentary “Food Inc.” There are others but this one will do.

I for one am very selective about everything that goes in my body. I prefer to practice preventive medicine, but I have nothing against modern medicine. I just don’t think it’s the only way.

As for investing, well you watch those documentaries and then tell me how you feel about trusting your money to unregulated businesses.

Here’s one to choke down. An investment company tells a pension plan who are looking for sound investments. (Pension plans can only invest in “AAA stock”) That they have some triple A stock that is a great investment. While at the same time investing in dividend stocks on those same stocks failing.

Many here think people have an option. Think again, globe market crashes effect everyone. Even those being careful have a hard time dealing with crooks.

Yes we can, and most smart ones do shop at local markets. I like shopping local, it keeps my money local and feeds the local economy to a greater degree. Just like air and water pollution you can’t run away from it. You have to try and fix the problem.

[/quote]

This post has so many inaccuracies, it is clear you dont understand what you are talking about. AAA stock = figment of your imagination.

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[quote]Unaware wrote:

[quote]streamline wrote:
I am not sure where everyone is getting their information from, but it’s not the same place as me. If anyone truly wants to no what the fuck really went down. From the beginning, step by step. Watch the documentary “Inside Job” by Charles Ferguson. You can watch it free online. This film is narrated by Matt Damon and was made after the fact. If you want to hear from those who saw the bubble for exactly what it was. Check out the Zeitgeistmovie.com they called it before it happened.

Next I think a look at the documentary “Food Inc.” There are others but this one will do.

I for one am very selective about everything that goes in my body. I prefer to practice preventive medicine, but I have nothing against modern medicine. I just don’t think it’s the only way.

As for investing, well you watch those documentaries and then tell me how you feel about trusting your money to unregulated businesses.

Here’s one to choke down. An investment company tells a pension plan who are looking for sound investments. (Pension plans can only invest in “AAA stock”) That they have some triple A stock that is a great investment. While at the same time investing in dividend stocks on those same stocks failing.

Many here think people have an option. Think again, globe market crashes effect everyone. Even those being careful have a hard time dealing with crooks.

Yes we can, and most smart ones do shop at local markets. I like shopping local, it keeps my money local and feeds the local economy to a greater degree. Just like air and water pollution you can’t run away from it. You have to try and fix the problem.

[/quote]

This post has so many inaccuracies, it is clear you dont understand what you are talking about. AAA stock = figment of your imagination. [/quote]

So when I go online to “stock ratings” I’m not going to find a site that explains the way stocks are rated. Your answer is only several key strokes away. Try learning some facts before you mouth off.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]streamline wrote:
Let’s not forget the financial corporations and their greed. You are aware they are the ones responsible for the last global market crash.

[/quote]

You are so wildly fucking ignorant of what happened that you can not be saved if you think “financial corporations” where the “ones responsible for the last global market crash.”

Key word here being “ones”. If you think one hand stirred that shit pot, you haven’t a fucking clue as to what happened.[/quote]

Rules #1 “Follow the money” You want the truth. You watch “Inside Job” online free, they followed the money step by step. Yes, everyone that got rich worked in the financial corporations. The truth is out there, just go looking you’ll find it! The lies are also out there, so being smart helps.

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[quote]streamline wrote:

[quote]Unaware wrote:

[quote]streamline wrote:
I am not sure where everyone is getting their information from, but it’s not the same place as me. If anyone truly wants to no what the fuck really went down. From the beginning, step by step. Watch the documentary “Inside Job” by Charles Ferguson. You can watch it free online. This film is narrated by Matt Damon and was made after the fact. If you want to hear from those who saw the bubble for exactly what it was. Check out the Zeitgeistmovie.com they called it before it happened.

Next I think a look at the documentary “Food Inc.” There are others but this one will do.

I for one am very selective about everything that goes in my body. I prefer to practice preventive medicine, but I have nothing against modern medicine. I just don’t think it’s the only way.

As for investing, well you watch those documentaries and then tell me how you feel about trusting your money to unregulated businesses.

Here’s one to choke down. An investment company tells a pension plan who are looking for sound investments. (Pension plans can only invest in “AAA stock”) That they have some triple A stock that is a great investment. While at the same time investing in dividend stocks on those same stocks failing.

Many here think people have an option. Think again, globe market crashes effect everyone. Even those being careful have a hard time dealing with crooks.

Yes we can, and most smart ones do shop at local markets. I like shopping local, it keeps my money local and feeds the local economy to a greater degree. Just like air and water pollution you can’t run away from it. You have to try and fix the problem.

[/quote]

This post has so many inaccuracies, it is clear you dont understand what you are talking about. AAA stock = figment of your imagination. [/quote]

So when I go online to “stock ratings” I’m not going to find a site that explains the way stocks are rated. Your answer is only several key strokes away. Try learning some facts before you mouth off.[/quote]

DEBT is rated as AAA, AA, A , etc. Equity issues, as far as I know, have no such rating system. Some individuals might be labeling stocks “AAA” but it doesn’t mean anything.

Why no response to my other posts??

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[quote]Simon Adebisi wrote:
So you started off making a living robbing poor people with sub-prime loans, Buster?[/quote]

When you resort to a personal attack, it only means that you’ve lost the arguement but can’t admit it.

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[quote]streamline wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]streamline wrote:
The good old days, crap. There were no good old days. There isn’t enough land for everyone to farm. So we have a market. Since I’ll a citizen I have a right to use that market. I also have the right to demand my food not be tainted. When I do that the market responds. It is however more expensive and will remain so until there is a greater need in the market. People don’t seem to understand their power, they’re sheep going to the slaughter.

As there should be a separation between Church and State. It should also be so with food and corporations. Share holder profit should not be the primary goal of those handling our food. Quality above all else.[/quote]

You are not forced to buy shit which means you are not entitled to any thing. If you don’t like company XYZ’s product, be it meat or a television, don’t buy it. If you don’t like any thing available, make your own or quit whining. [/quote]

Do you know how to read. I think I clearly stated in the first paragraph that I made my demands and the market responded. Yes it costs me more, but I get what I want. I don’t whine I fix it. I know how the fucking world works. Your problem is you wear blinders so you only have to see and read what you want. [/quote] Sorry boss, you haven’t stated any thing clearly so far.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
^it’s way better to hunt and pick berries (sporadicly and not 12hr per day like some unlucky people) than to have a shitty modern factory job. And what you wrote is calculated for someone is North America and doesnt account for everything you have to pay to live in this society that you wouldnt have to in the stone age.

A big part of humanity that no one thinks about stuck in bidonvilles and in overpopulated messy megalopolis would be better in the stone age. Right now there is a famine in Somalia. Too much people, too little land and ressource. (Just waiting for some christian asshat to tell me that they need to get more crowded). I am sure that they would be like to be teleported to the stone age.

Furthermore no one knows if the lives of an individuals in the past was better or worse than our individual life. It is a pretty big generalisation to say that life sucked for everyone before the fifties (when big corp. started to take over).

Our food production and distrobution system could be A LOT better. Dont forget that on top of everything more than 50% of the food is wasted. [/quote]

And you have the freedom to pick all the berries you want. Corporations have not stolen that from you. I personally enjoy going to the local grocer and picking all the berries I want for a week, hunt all the meet I will need, harvest all the grains, even buy some treats in an hour regardless of the season.

And what do you really have to pay to live? You need food and shelter. You can exist pretty cheaply if you choose.

What the fuck is a bidonville?

I know I’ve broken bones, needed stitches, had tooth aches… with out modern medicine and the corporations that manufacture it, I would have developed some serious chronic pains by now, and I don’t even chase buffalo on horse back. I live a comparably low risk life. I don’t host parasites in my body, I live in a climate controlled shelter… I have been hunting and camping. While fun, I enjoy my ac and heat. I also know new inventions (our current standards of comfortable living were once innovative and new) stick because people prefer them to what they had… probably all that needs to be said which again shows people choose to buy products offered by corporations.

As far as wasted food, every deer and berry in the forest would have been potential food back when. How many died uneaten? Probably like 99.9% [/quote]

1 billion persons live in this, 1 person in 6 or one third of the urban population. ‘‘You always have the freedom to pick all the berries you want and hunt! lol’’

I am kind of straying away from corporation and finance but those people would have been better in the stone age.

Now you say that uneaten animal are wasted food…I am not going to adress this . I will just say that I am not surprised to hear this from someone who lives in Texas. [/quote]

Nobody makes them live there. Stone age people travelled with the seasons. These people can choose to wander too. Berries for picking do exist in the world and on all continents.

And the stone age mans forest is my grocery store. The grocery store is a highly efficient hunting ground if you ask me.

Some meat gets left on the shelf, some deer are left in the forest. Same shit. Keep it apples to apples if you are going to criticize distribution channel efficiency.

And, if any one were to spend the time and money on increasing distribution and decreasing waste, it would be a corporation in the name of profits.
[/quote]

This is pretty funny. If there was a better place for them to go be sure that they would go. What do you want, that they emigrate in Texas? That they go sleep in your street at night and try to sell you cellular phone plastic case and watches in the day?

Or they can always try to wander in search of food (and die) and go to countries such as kenya (go overpopulate filthy refugee camp). There is a famine right now in Somalia. But wait houston guy says there is food to pick everywhere. I don’t know in which world do you live where people can wander around and survive.

About the food distribution sytem, how about you keep it apple to apple? Comparing wild animals of the past and our current system is not the same thing. The difference is the large pop. of wild animals of the past were not there only to be killed by you. So they are not wasted. That is something you can’t grasp being from Texas.[/quote] Store today equals forest of old. And Texas fucks Canada in the ass when ever it wants to, don’t you forget it. Also, it sounds to me as if your picture in question needs some corporations, including food producers/distributors. Jobs and cheap food.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Yeah, gotta agree with beans on this one. The “financial corporations” didn’t FORCE idiots working at Wendy’s or Walmart to lie on their loan applications and STATE that they made 80K a year to qualify for a 350K house, sign that shit, and then walk away from the house because they couldn’t afford it in the first place…

The other half these idiots aren’t walking away because they cant afford it, they’re walking away because the house depreciated and they know that if they just short sell or foreclose, they can buy the SAME exact house in three years for 150K cheaper than what they currently have, and have a lower interest rate…

But you will argue they were deceived, right? If you are stupid enough to sign a bunch of paper that you don’t understand, or agreed to an ARM, then who do you have to blame but YOURSELF? But people are “victims” here, right? It’s ALL the “evil corporations” fault, right? Give me a break, dude. People are stupid.

I WILL however, agree that the food industry is SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP. There are more chemicals and preservatives and dyes pumped into our food and beverages than I am comfortable with. But again, while it definitely IS more of a pain in the ass, people can CHOOSE to buy locally produced food. There are farmers markets all over the place on certain days, so you don’t even have to travel outside of the city. There are options. But, do you know the main reason why corporations exist and our food supply is tainted? BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID. They are irresponsible and have no accountability for their actions (or lack of action) and are indifferent to any issue that isn’t simultaneously directly affecting them and right in their face. They are too distracted my Media and the general pursuit of entertainment to care about anything you are saying.

So fuck 'em. Let them die of cancer and be entertained. Anyone with a brain will have figured out what to eat and what not to eat. Survival of the fittest - it isn’t YOUR job to protect society from themselves… [/quote]

So explain this. A financial institution carrying a house loan at 99.7%. Talk about to good to be true and buyer beware. It was all a scam and a lot of people walked away very fucking rich. Yes, they all worked for financial corporations. Worst thing of all is that nothing was changed in the US.

Here in Canada we weren’t hit so bad because our financial market is regulated and was since the 2008 crash tighten up even more. Fact today we’re $1.06 on the US dollar. If you do pay attention to the global market. The Canadian dollar got beaten to death during that bubble. So once it popped. Our dollar bounced back or the rest fell down however you like to see things.

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[quote]tmay11 wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

I WILL however, agree that the food industry is SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP. There are more chemicals and preservatives and dyes pumped into our food and beverages than I am comfortable with. But again, while it definitely IS more of a pain in the ass, people can CHOOSE to buy locally produced food. There are farmers markets all over the place on certain days, so you don’t even have to travel outside of the city. There are options. But, do you know the main reason why corporations exist and our food supply is tainted? BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID. They are irresponsible and have no accountability for their actions (or lack of action) and are indifferent to any issue that isn’t simultaneously directly affecting them and right in their face. They are too distracted my Media and the general pursuit of entertainment to care about anything you are saying.

So fuck 'em. Let them die of cancer and be entertained. Anyone with a brain will have figured out what to eat and what not to eat. Survival of the fittest - it isn’t YOUR job to protect society from themselves… [/quote]

Agreed

To expand - The market is a reflection, a reflection of the wants/needs/desires of the consuming public. If the majority of the food on the market is crap it is either because the majority of people don’t care or the trade off between cost/quality is not worth it for them(in their own subjective opinion).

Anyone who “blames” business for providing xyz is looking at only the PROXIMATE cause and not the ULTIMATE cause.
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I’m not talking about market reflection. I’m talking share holder profits coming before food quality. Soils are destroyed with the chemicals used to fertilize foods. This is a cost cutting problem to create greater profits. Side effect, non absorbent soil which creates greater water run off. This leads to flooding. There are safe ways to fertilize.

No one is blaming businesses from making things or being extremely successful. I’m talking about not having our food fucked with. Yes I shop smart, but when everyone around me is being poisoned slowly. It costs money in lost work hours and expanded medical cost due to aging diseases. Diseases that can be prevented with foods not tainted with poisons.

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[quote]Simon Adebisi wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Yeah, gotta agree with beans on this one. The “financial corporations” didn’t FORCE idiots working at Wendy’s or Walmart to lie on their loan applications and STATE that they made 80K a year to qualify for a 350K house, sign that shit, and then walk away from the house because they couldn’t afford it in the first place…

The other half these idiots aren’t walking away because they cant afford it, they’re walking away because the house depreciated and they know that if they just short sell or foreclose, they can buy the SAME exact house in three years for 150K cheaper than what they currently have, and have a lower interest rate…

But you will argue they were deceived, right? If you are stupid enough to sign a bunch of paper that you don’t understand, or agreed to an ARM, then who do you have to blame but YOURSELF? But people are “victims” here, right? It’s ALL the “evil corporations” fault, right? Give me a break, dude. People are stupid.
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How many people do you know that work at Wendy’s or Walmart that got approved for a mortgage loan, slick?[/quote]

PLENTY back in 2004 - 2007. Ever heard of a SISA (stated income, stated asset) loan? How about a a NINJA (no income, no job, no asset) loan? They were mostly 2/28 ARM products. Wanna know how they got approved? Because as long as they met a certain credit score threshold (it was 500 for a SISA back in the day) and had a pulse they qualified. How many people do I know that did this? Hundreds - sure, some of them worked at McDonald’s and not Wendy’s and some of them worked at the Olive Garden and not Walmart, but I was making a point. It was THIS quality borrower that later defaulted on their mortgage after the ARM they agreed to adjusted, which is what CAUSED the products to perform poorly on the secondary, which ultimately led to Bear Sterns’ collapse which started the whole implosion. I’ve been a loan officer since 2004 and started off in a sub-prime broker shop, Slick.[/quote]

The financial corporations changed their pay structure. Instead of paid commission on payments made by investors. They were paid on volume of loans made. It is hard to explain all that was involved. I seriously suggest watching “Inside Job”. They do an amazing job taking one through the entire scam.

Then someone offers you your dreams and shows how you can afford it on your income. People are going to buy into it. Mainly because it doesn’t make sense to lie to them. Yet a lot of people made small to gigantic fortunes from this scam.