Always a hot topic here in GAL. However, the medical community cannot seem to muster ANY defense of the practice based on more than 80 or so studies. Hmmm.
In before the first “but I was beaten and I’m okay”.
Always a hot topic here in GAL. However, the medical community cannot seem to muster ANY defense of the practice based on more than 80 or so studies. Hmmm.
In before the first “but I was beaten and I’m okay”.
As if we needed any more evidence that Canadians are pussies.
come at me, canucks
Anonym, I will crush you.
Play sports on ice, in the snow, and without pads.
Beating =/= spanking.
TORONTO (Reuters) - “Spanking children can cause long-term developmental damage and may even lower a child’s IQ”
I must be mentally retarded then. Who knows what I could have made of my life if I was not spanked so much as a child.
[quote]clinton131 wrote:
TORONTO (Reuters) - “Spanking children can cause long-term developmental damage and may even lower a child’s IQ”
I must be mentally retarded then. Who knows what I could have made of my life if I was not spanked so much as a child.[/quote]
Well, for starters, you probably wouldn’t employ fallacious logic to pseudo-rebut a study you don’t agree with. And, you’d probably have picked up on the fact that scientists now say there is no “controversy” over the subject any longer (from a medical/scientific standpoint) and not one study supports it. You’d also probably have surmised that such outcomes are not always certain, and behavioral displays and such are complex and difficult to measure, but as a parent would you want to risk it when you know that perhaps there is a better way?
See? Your parents fucked you royally. Call them now. Thank them.
While I don’t choose to spank my own kids, I’m a bit perplexed by this statement: “Recent studies suggest it may reduce the brain’s grey matter in areas relevant to intelligence testing.”
How exactly did they arrive at this conclusion, give 200 kids MRIs, then spank them and rescan?
Also, what’s the mechanism by which a spank on the bottom causes brain damage? Beating at child senseless is not the same as spanking.
That being said, I would totally take the author of the study over my lap and give her a spanking.
I definitely think they are equating spanking with beating. Sadly, most people don’t differentiate. I don’t see what’s wrong with spanking. You inflict minor pain on the child to reduce the chance of them hurting/killing themselves. In my mind, a 4 year old kid running across the parking lot away from you merits a spanking; him/her associating running in parking lots away from parents with physical pain could save their life. You can’t reason with a kid that young.
They don’t UNDERSTAND what getting hit by a car really means. They don’t GET IT. So you do what is necessary to protect them, and develop good habits in them. As they get older, and they develop logical thinking abilities to a higher level, you rely less and less on physical punishment, and more on punishments that don’t physically hurt, like grounding, time-out, go to bed without supper/dessert, etc.
Geez people, what is so complicated about this?
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
While I don’t choose to spank my own kids, I’m a bit perplexed by this statement: “Recent studies suggest it may reduce the brain’s grey matter in areas relevant to intelligence testing.”
How exactly did they arrive at this conclusion, give 200 kids MRIs, then spank them and rescan?
Also, what’s the mechanism by which a spank on the bottom causes brain damage? Beating at child senseless is not the same as spanking.[/quote]
Well what causes grey matter to grow? Maybe it’s not that the spanked child loses grey matter but that the one who isn’t spanked grows more.
The brain is still being figured out as far as I know so who knows what kind of chemical stuff goes on when a child is spanked vs given another form of punishment.
IDK how they figure it either but probably looked at the brains of spanked children vs ones who weren’t? But not sure if that is all there is too it either. It’s interesting, if I had kids I would not want to be a spanker.
I’d like to see the studies. I am curious to see the breakdown on how each form of corporal punishment relates to the claimed detrimental side effects. I mean, does spanking with an open hand cause less of an IQ drop than say being spanked with a belt. Was all the corporal punishment closely monitored by the various studies authors or were the punishment stats based on anecdotal evidence? The article referenced long term effects so what are the demographics of the studied subjects? This article leaves far more questions than answers.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I definitely think they are equating spanking with beating. Sadly, most people don’t differentiate. I don’t see what’s wrong with spanking. You inflict minor pain on the child to reduce the chance of them hurting/killing themselves. In my mind, a 4 year old kid running across the parking lot away from you merits a spanking; him/her associating running in parking lots away from parents with physical pain could save their life. You can’t reason with a kid that young.
They don’t UNDERSTAND what getting hit by a car really means. They don’t GET IT. So you do what is necessary to protect them, and develop good habits in them. As they get older, and they develop logical thinking abilities to a higher level, you rely less and less on physical punishment, and more on punishments that don’t physically hurt, like grounding, time-out, go to bed without supper/dessert, etc.
Geez people, what is so complicated about this?[/quote]
I get your point, I really do, but in your example everything happens from when the kid takes off to seconds after he/she is spanked. The issue, and I think parents often overlook this, is why does the kid think it is okay to run in the parking lot, i.e what have the parents dome to say that it is okay.
An example: at my gym there are a handcap door with a button to open it. I see parents making a game out of pushing the button (in most cases it seems they are too lazy to open the door themselves). There should be no surprise when the 4 yr old runs up to the button, excited about pushing it, and bolts out the door into the parking lot. It happens with enough regularity other parents seem to be watching for it. And here is the thing, yes it is dangerous and the kid needs to be stopped and disciplined in some way - but the event is the fault of the parent. Why should the parent then spank the kid when it is mostly the parent’s fault?
The best parenting involves forethought, not just discipline after the fact. I think it might be somewhere in there, the parenting style, that effects the grey matter, not the act of spanking.
In threads on this topic before I think the case for the occasional and selective spanking has been made.
I also think kids are smarter than people think. There is no other time in a persons life that they do more complicated reasoning than as a young child.
The studies are showing correlation, not causation.
The authors of this also seem to be in the grips of some hardcore confirmation bias. There is a clear agenda here, and they found exactly what they were hoping to find.
This will not end well.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
This will not end well. [/quote]
spankings seldom do.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
This will not end well. [/quote]
spankings seldom do.[/quote]
Its according to who you are spanking.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
This will not end well. [/quote]
spankings seldom do.[/quote]
Its according to who you are spanking.[/quote]
Selma can spank this girl any time she wants…
[quote]twinexperience wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
This will not end well. [/quote]
spankings seldom do.[/quote]
Its according to who you are spanking.[/quote]
Selma can spank this girl any time she wants… [/quote]
Get in line, I called first dips.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
The studies are showing correlation, not causation.
The authors of this also seem to be in the grips of some hardcore confirmation bias. There is a clear agenda here, and they found exactly what they were hoping to find.[/quote]
out of some 80 or more some such studies, not one as found to be positive.
why don’t you find a study that suggests positive outcomes?
i know, it’s a conspiracy of left leaning, hippy, vw van driving scientists, trying to trick us parents into not spanking our kids.
fucking mad scientists.
I never spanked my kid. He’s presently acing his first year in college, and recently signed an indie label record deal.
Just sayin’.