I don’t think a lot of people appear to care. We just know we aren’t happy that we can’t go to the mall this second. God forbid the economy takes any hit over doing something like trying to limit the amount of death tied to this.
I’m sure it’s just awful for someone with electricity and high speed internet to miss the mall or tattoos!
How many will be in ICUs? How many will have permanent damage to their lungs? How many people in healthcare will suffer, and die, because they have no choice but to be in the trenches?
I was reading something about that the other day, they say around 60% of the population needs to get it. And then the death rate, for the US, 1.4% of 50 million = 700,000 deaths, at best. More will die form other causes due to not being able to get medical treatment
It’s a fucked up situation, you absolutely need to minimize the spread no matter what. And as far as economic concerns, who wants to go see a movie, go clothes shopping, or have a drink in bar right now? You would have to be crazy. It didn’t seem so bad a week or two ago, but the way it’s spreading is more severe than anyone would have imagined.
WW2: my grandfather and a bunch of his classmates leave college to volunteer. My grandfather ends up risking getting his ass blown off in a bomber flying over Germany.
2020 coronavirus: stay home in Fort Living Room and watch Netflix.
I read it’s 60% in the first wave. Then you have the second wave in which more will get infected, get sick, and die. Herd immunity is reached when 90% of the people are immune.
They also don’t know how long immunity lasts or if it is even possible.
Also.
That’s the thing. If you stopped staying at home tomorrow and things magically went back to Jan 1 in the US that argument would have a lot more strength. It would still be remarkably callous and imo unethical. If the all clear sign comes out tomorrow many aspects of the economy will still be shut down in pretty much all entertainment and tourist actions simply because (most) people aren’t interested in doing that right now anyways. Dining out probably changed minimally. I probably won’t see my parents for a month simply because the line of work I do. You think I’m risking seeing them by going to a full diner soon?
Preferably.
Also true
That’s the other thing with this virus, apparently immunity to coronaviruses is usually short lived and you can be infected multiple times by the same virus. If that’s the case with this one then what can we really do?
We need some sort of exit strategy from this mess. We can’t stay locked up forever, but at the moment there is no end in sight. That’s all I can really say.
Unless you can in fact become permanently immune to this virus or doctors and scientists come up with some sort of solution then at some point we might just have to move on with life and accept the risk of dying form disease at any moment.
It depends on how big a hit. If we’re talking 30% unemployment like some have suggested, how many deaths result from that? Increases in crime, civil unrest, mal nutrition, suicide. It’s not like people are pissed about a minor inconvenience, it’s just as serious depending on how long and severe we make this.
Agreed. I don’t really think the locked up part has really even started in the US except for a few areas. It’s not like the majority of our population has been home for weeks.
That’s a cause for concern, because it means that a lot more people will catch the virus.
Are we really locked up? I was able to buy groceries, take my dog to the park, get gas, grab some take out.
And my wife and I are still working as are many people. For those that can’t they should just expand unemployment.
That’s what you had in Italy.
How many people died from 10% unemployment in the US during the Great Recession? Temporary 30% or higher unemployment doesn’t necessarily mean death. At what magic number do all these awful things happen and how do we know?Crime is down in NY and unemployment is up.
Long term I don’t disagree to an extent but we’re talking about a very short period of time right now.
The mad max scenarios of possibility don’t hold much weight right now. Maybe they will in a few months.
Do you think at this moment in time ignoring medical professionals and carrying on as usual has a higher risk of total death than following their advice for a period of time?
You need to teach your dog to use a toilet.
But really, in some places most things are closed. In Ontario they are coming up with some stricter measures (yet to be determined) as of tomorrow. And in some parts of Europe you cant go out except for groceries or medical reasons.
To what 60-70% of the population? At some point it all just falls apart.
It’s the stock market that is worried.
In China they welded doors shut.
Expanding who can get unemployment is better than sending checks to everyone.
Sure at some point it does. I don’t think anyone right now is advocating we stay inside for the next two years.