Right now, yes, but depending on the eventual damage to the economy it could become something else. We can only hope for the best, but if we end up with hyperinflation as a result and nobody can afford food then there will be another problem.
And what about all the people living paycheck to paycheck? Or those who don’t get a paycheck? I’m living fairly comfortably but I still can’t afford $2100.
This is one of the biggest problem in Canada, since hospitals were already over capacity before all this happened. So in that regard it does make sense, but from what I understand all they can do is put people on respirators anyway and we don’t have anywhere near enough so we are fucked one way or another. No matter what, it’s going to be bad.
Yes it could be a lot of things. A long term no contact situation is going to be awful. We haven’t done that yet though. What you’re saying is things could be really bad in the future from actions today correct? Which is true (and always is). It’s also possible that things in the future could be really bad from lack of actions today. Arguably much worse than if we don’t do this. That’s where people are laying the cards right now.
This is a risk. Doing nothing seems to be a much bigger one.
You guys aren’t that fucked right now and neither are we. Look at what we’re all doing here with our free time and extra downtime. If you have a situation where your hospitals are already strained erring on the side of caution makes even more sense. Your current hospital situation may be bad. But add a few million people needing care and you’ll look back at how good things are at this moment for your sick.
Yeah if an easy solution existed we would have done it. Again to me it all comes down to the majority of health experts say that at this moment in time be too careful and then we’ll evaluate. That gives you a lot more freedom than act as if something isn’t happening and have a global health crisis.
You said it better than me. But I shouldn’t be squatting right? I don’t want to look like Olympia Arnold just because I hit a 5*5 session with 135 on the bar.
Also don’t want to drink a protein shake and end up looking like Ronnie Coleman.
This is what a lot of economists are saying though. Look up Peter Schiff on twitter.
Doing nothing is not an option, doing the least risky thing is what I would recommend but again, I’m not an expert on any of this so I can’t do much in terms of assessing risks.
One way or another, business would be slowing down just because people are scared to go out, but the less impact on both health and the economy the better the future outcome will be. The main thing would be to keep people 60+ years old and those with medical issues inside, because those are the ones that are at the most risk. I should have bookmarked it, but earlier I saw a chart showing mortality rates for different age groups. It was 0.2% under 40, 0.4% from 40-49 or 59, and then exponentially higher for the older groups. Assuming that is accurate, if you have no pre-existing health condition and are relatively young then this is no worse than the flu, but for others it is extremely dangerous.
Not yet, and hopefully we won’t be.
What else can we do? We’re stuck inside and I don’t really watch TV.
That is true, and it is the one reason why this “flattening the curve” approach could very well be the best option. Again, I’m not advocating for anything in particular, I’m just looking at different options.
Do you remember SARS? People were freaking out back then and it was nothing compared to this. Nobody is going to act like nothing is happening, but when caution turns to panic (as it has) then you have a new set of problems like shortages of rice, pasta, and toilet paper.
Oh I’m not blaming you. I’m just saying if you were fucked you wouldn’t be doing this. You’d be looking for work, food, water, etc.
True. With instant information we’re always going to be in a potential state of panic over one thing or the other. Hell I’m not panicking truly and look at the differences in my posting from my first few!
But right now isn’t the time to really worry if we think we have a temporary shortage of some items imo.
Of course no one disagrees with that. The reason people are making the decisions they are is because they think this is the best option to limit the impact on health and the economy. If they thought something else would be better that’s the action that would be taken.
Did not fully read the thread.
Just some impressions from someone in Germany, that I got of this thread:
-Soros is the culprit (this was by the way the funniest part)
-an italian guy gave a very good description of the situation, was widely ignored
-some people really believe “let it go” is the way to go (as if your medical sector is not getting fucked in the ass on a daily)
-not really a lot of people seem to mind that the US is lead buy an orange man that does not give a shit about people and wont take responsibility for anything
My impressions of the thing as a whole (aside from this thread):
I have cystic fibrosis and so I followed the development from the beginning. From the first moment, I was like: This is new, wait and see what science says and what is to come. From the beginning people used this to judge either those who went “this is gonna kill us” or those who said it was nothing. No real reason/middle ground.
After Italy everyone should be like - we have to stop this shit from going down the same way, ask the Italians what they think were their mistakes.
Nope - people still widely ignored it.
Now we have a shitshow. As stated in this video:
A lot of people here in Germany still act like nothing is happening. I just heard of a guy who came back from a risk area and now wants to hold a casting for a new flatmate. But, I think, for the most part people got it and act accordingly but I think there will be more restrictions down the line. Because no health care system in the world can hold its own without restrictions. Just do the basic math: Even if just 5% of the infected need an intensive care bed (very low estimate) and you have 10 million infected = 500.000 people in intensive care. They wont be evenly distributed above the country. Yeah, that sucks. The German federal government seems to have ordered 10.000 new lung ventilator machines. The Robert Koch Institute advised every hospital to build up intensive care units even more and to even reorganise some hospitals to treat only Corona patients.
The thing about Italy that is being ignored is that it is happening in a part of Italy. It’s not about looking at the number of infected, hospitalized and dead and measuring it against the entire population. You have to look at those numbers and realize they are coming from a part of the population not the whole. If the entire nation were equally affected then those numbers would be significantly higher.
Given that the virus is already in every state, it could very well be that we will have higher numbers than Italy. Higher in terms of percentage of our total population.
. I’ll be on a Dublin contract in a few months anyway, assuming that doesn’t evaporate thanks to the Wu-flu.