Coronavirus - What Happened?

This is another fake news. Hospital managers are freeing up beds and staff due to covid. They are basically managing in a way that the hospital always works in full capacity with minimum staff required. Again this fake news was debunked by the mainstream media. You should really, I mean really stop listening to corporate media only. Got get some main stream media news. There are reporters and news in the main stream that have 10 times the viewrship at peak times from the fake news corporate media. Just chose one. More accurate, more research is done and no written narratives.

I’ve never actually heard of a case where this happened. I’ve heard a lot “the sky is falling” warnings that it was going to happen, but never a case where it actually did.

Should have worn your mask.

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I doubt you’d tell “shoulda been wearing a seatbelt” to the wife of a man killed by a drunk driver while he was out getting baby formula.

Fortunately the young women are pretty well protected against Covid. The death rate in women bellow 35 is insignificant. Pretty sure more drunk drivers kill young women than Covid.

What if a fully-vaccinated guy with a “breakthrough” infection coughs on you and gives you the Rona? If you have to miss a week of work with a mild case of a mild cold, your company has been losing since it hired you.

I don’t think you know very much about the way hospitals operate.

Well, to be fair, I feelz like that is probably only due to under testing of “motor vehicle crash” victims for COVID. Hell, I feelz like attributing poor driving to being drunk is often due to a misunderstanding of COVID symptoms. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, IT IS MORE THAN LIKELY DUE TO COVID.

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Because Biden, donchaknow?

Not that you are racist, but someone can still be racist without being overt about it.

I don’t understand where people are getting the idea vaccines don’t work from


Look at the Netherlands, they’ve hit nearly 2.5x their previous peak during prior waves
 Yet the hospitalisation rate is still slightly lower than it was during their last wave at which topped at 10-11k cases/day.

So a hospitalisation rate of less than 50% of what it was (and an ICU rate of around 20-30%) when they had 10-11k cases/day, despite them recording over 20k cases/day (yesterday 23k)

Yes
 Immunity wanes, as it does with the flu shot
 But the vaccine still appears to be a potent protector against developing severe illness
 To note, NL started their vaccination campaign in fucking JANURARY
 According to the data available, they need to roll out booster shots

Israel boosted most of their elligable population and cases went from 16,000/day to 3-500/day
 From a 7 day avg of 20 deaths/day to 2 deaths/day
 And once again prior to vaccine rollout they were at a 7 day avg of 60 deaths/day despite having less cases/day relative to their wave that peaked at 16,000/day post vaccination rollout.

And the VAST majority of deaths in Israel were amongst those that weren’t vaccinated. Israel doesn’t have a great coverage within the population. There are large swathes of anti vaxxers amongst the ultra orthodox Jews, within Islamic neighbourhoods etc. It’s not the vaccine they distrust per se though, it’s the government.

In the Netherlands, I believe over 80% of those in ICU are unvaccinated
 90% of the adult population is vaccinated
 But vaccines don’t work right?

Then I see people on Facebook posting headlines “in X country, 50% of those in hospital are vaccinated
” However they’re referencing a country where some 95% of adults are fully vaccinated
 Do you not understand statistical analysis or simple math?

Vaccine = you can still get the virus
 There are far more vaccinated people relative to unvaccinated. The gap closes, the fact 50% are unvaccinated despite them only making up 5% of the population fucking proves it does, in fact provide a degree of protection.

I don’t care if you get vaccinated or not, and I’m not pro mandates
 But talking about the “risks” relative to actually catching covid (provided you’re above the age of thirty to thirty five) is an absolute joke

I believe many don’t understand how clinical trials are conducted, or how the VAERS works (and how the prevalence of vaccine mediated side effects are monitered in proportion to the overall rate of adverse effects from all vaccines)
 Also, if a 95y/O gets vaccinated and has a heart attack next week, that might just be because they’re old as fuck.

We have phase I,II,III clinical trials and postmarketing reports
 We don’t lack data pertaining to these vaccines, we don’t lack information on the pharmacokinetics/pharmacodynamics pertaining to these vaccines
 However there was one flawed study provided by Pfizer pertaining to the vaccines, the set up/breach of protocal within the study totally nullifies it’s validity
 But that’s one study out of many.

I don’t like appealing to authority
 And it’s going to sound like I’m talking shit as I’m young but I’m not
 I know medical professionals who were intimately involved with the manufacturing process of coronavirus vaccines
 there is no conspiracy, the goal is to reduce burden on hospitals so when Joe has a heart attack from his decades long history of anabolic steroid use (that’s healthy? Right??? It’s not the steroids causing heart attacks
) he can receive treatment. I believe there was/is a state in the USA that had such a high covid backlog they stopped resuscitating patients who went into cardiac arrest from
 Just about all causes
 But hospitals are fiiinnnneee


If you don’t like the corona vaccines
 Fine, they are somewhat more risky relative to many contemporary vaccines
 But that increase in relative risk is miniscule from baseline. Why isn’t anyone bitching over the potential for rare, life threatening adverse reactions associated with the meningococcal vaccine?

Why is there this slew fascination surrounding coronavirus vaccines? The technology used to produce them has been around for decades, even if it wasn’t commercially distributed. Was there this large of an anti vaccine sentiment surrounding the polio vaccine?

“But immunity wanes”
 How long do you think immunity from the flu shot (that is even less effective than the covid shot and I think almost totally ineffective if they get the wrong strains) lasts

It might be like the hepatitis B vaccine
 Where you need three shots
 Or it’ll be like the flu, where the vaccine is tweaked to accommodate new strains and you get a new shot every year or so.

Pfizer’s new antiviral drug might (soon) make coronavirus a pandemic of third world countries. This is soon to become endemic, everyone is going to get it sooner or later.

I just hope I don’t get it in Europe because it’d mess up my plan to vigorously train Dutch kickboxing
 And I have a few underlying conditions that’d make it a fairly nasty affair (though not especially dangerous) if I caught it.

In most countries
 it’s about the burden on healthcare systems. In Australia? A lot of it was about imposing centralised control. Look at the permenant pandemic legislature being tabled in Victoria for reference. Gives the Premier almost total control over the population, it’s absolutely insane. The Victorian Bar association came out in protest over the bill, they don’t usually comment on matters like this.

My post was to contrast how parents of today see this situation differently than parents of the 1950s saw the situation with polio. It is very common and understandable for a parent to have concerns about long term effects.

I am aware that mRNA has been in the works for some time, but you don’t need to convince me of that. I’m vaxed and my child is an adult.

To put it another way, the same visceral drive parents have to protect their kids is responsible for the polio vaccine acceptance and the covid vaccine hesitancy.

Do I?

most covid hospitalizations are for mild or asymptomatic Covid

hospitals forced to pause all “elective procedures” in 2020 and some are again due to the surging Delta variant -

In April 2020 1.4 mil health care workers laid off - Nurses and Health Care Workers Experience Record Job Losses Amid Pandemic, Despite New Unemployment Figure Dropping to 13.3 Percent

“field hospitals” never had any patients

This isn’t news to anyone. Don’t placate those that claim racism without foundation because it makes the actual racists seem more prevalent than they really are.

Call or racism when the shoe fits and it’s far more damaging then how this fool has done it.

That’s great, but I asked you directly to elaborate further about your statement that the vaccines are “experimental” and that “long-term studies” are allegedly missing.

You’ve dodged the question.

I also personally know people who have been hospitalized from Covid. My post was explaining common concerns parents of today have.

And I have a relative who died and others who almost died. The concerns over long term effects IF you don’t have an adverse reaction to the vaccines aren’t valid.

However the chance of a healthy kid dying from covid (EXTREMELY LOW) is about the same as or ever so slightly greater than the chance a healthy kid dies from taking the vaccine.

Both cases you’re looking at like 1/1,000,000

However if parents are too scared to vaccinate their child they should also be too scared to drive with their kid in the car, or to let their kid play on a playground etc.

It’s good to be risk averse to a degree
 But then there’s being risk averse to the point of absurdity.

Oh I know. It isn’t hard to find covert racists nowadays. They just quote mlk and say critical race theory is bad without knowing what it is, pretty typical.

I think the people on the other side of these comments tend to misunderstand the speaker in a lot of circumstances. If you’re already convinced you’re talking to a racist, is anything they say going to prove you wrong?

CRT isn’t ‘bad’, it’s a theory. The problem is that it categorically paints people with x background and y traits into oppressors or victims, and that’s an absolute shit way to look at society. How are people supposed to be equal if they are labelled ‘victims’ or ‘oppressors’ for factors that are outside of their control? CRT does not take individual’s actions into account, because someone could be a ‘victim’ and still be racist AF (I’ll use Joy Reid as an example for that). It also doesn’t account for those who are born into ‘oppressor’ roles that strive to do everything possible in the name of equality.

The narrative on race these days is absolute shit. You can be a white guy approving of the affirmative action legislature signed in the 1960’s, and still be called a racist (this literally happened to me in this thread) and there’s no recourse.

I have met very few overtly racist white people in my life, and they were all singled out for their beliefs. I have seen many more overtly racist non-white people and they are never told “you shouldn’t say that” by those around them. Maybe its’ time we stop focusing on race and start holding everyone accountable for saying/doing racist shit?

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Anything that does that is definitely racist.

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