Coronavirus - What Happened?

[chris_ottawa]

If you catch the virus, it might not be a good idea to take ibuprofen:

France says ibuprofen may aggravate coronavirus. Experts say more evidence is...

[chris_ottawa]

The funniest thing I heard all day, despite nearly all businesses closing and restaurants only being allowed to offer take out or delivery, government-owned liquor stores and beer stores are open for business. In Quebec the government weed stores are open too. They really have their priorities straight.

[H_factor]

@tedro

People can’t even come up with good conspiracy theories anymore. Isn’t it far more likely that the Chinese intentionally let it transmit to humans, knowing they could contain it within their own country just prior to a major outbreak with only “minor” casualties? It would then spread to the Western Hemisphere where it cant be contained by government force, devastating us economically, and giving them a clear path to being the economic superpower of the world?

Countdown to you being murdered for knowing too much…

[chris_ottawa]

@DeadKong

One thought about the relevance of climate change is that with a seemingly early spring, at least here in south eastern Canada, people will be less cloistered indoors as they get outside more. Or rather, will people not stay in indoor areas where they are already social distancing? Two ways to look at it.

In Italy, France, and Spain people aren’t allowed outside except for work or grocery shopping, could very well be the same here soon.

@DeadKong

I wonder if also more warm weather animals that might incubate new diseases will extend their ranges into more of the temperate zones

I posted something earlier about a dog catching the virus, it’s a serious concern. All animals in developed areas like squirrels, racoons, skunks, birds, all are at risk for catching it and spreading it.

I almost forgot about bats…

[H_factor]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/white-house-wants-send-individual-185544131.html

You jealous of your favorite move being copied here?

We haven’t received stimulus checks since the Bush days. We’re all about to be thousandaires!

[chris_ottawa]

That’s fucked up, Trump is literally buying votes.

[Legalsteel]

@H_factor

We haven’t received stimulus checks since the Bush days. We’re all about to be thousandaires!

To lay it on the table, I prefer welfare during a crisis go to people rather than wallstreet.

Also:

https://twitter.com/cleftsemporium/status/1239547782731567110?s=21

[Legalsteel]

Seriously, and this has been my reason for being a small c British conservative for years, no conservative government leaves the weak to suffer what they must, especially not while allowing the strong to be immunised from consequence.

Workers and small businesses will need help, I only wish we were all not so radically encumbered with debt when this becomes apparent.

[Legalsteel]

Also, I think we’ve found one of the few things I agree with AOC on. This bailout cannot possibly be used like the 2008 bailouts were. I will fucking join Antifa if they are.

Together we will get through this, but I won’t tolerate another snatch and grab from the wallstreet crew, not without guillotines anyway.

[H_factor]

@Legalsteel

To lay it on the table, I prefer welfare during a crisis go to people rather than wallstreet.

Yes of course. But don’t you worry we will make some company executives extra rich out of this one. We will find a way!

I just have to laugh when we ignore the deficit during good times but say how will we afford it with anything that may help average joes. But by god we’ve always got cash on hand to save big businesses!

You may want to get antifa’s number now. I won’t be joining as I’ve resigned myself to just knowing it’s what we do here.

The wealth will trickle down. They just need more of it to make sure it doesn’t have coronavirus before letting it trickle. They are always thinking of the little guys!

[Legalsteel]

@H_factor

But don’t you worry we will make some company executives extra rich out of this one. We will find a way!

Walls can only be built so high.

@H_factor

You may want to get antifa’s number now. I won’t be joining as I’ve resigned myself to just knowing it’s what we do here.

Likewise, I’m resigned to the system. But this, maybe, just possibly, may have broken it.

[Aragorn]

@Legalsteel

Also, I think we’ve found one of the few things I agree with AOC on. This bailout cannot possibly be used like the 2008 bailouts were

I’ll give her that one. Even a broken clock…but regardless, she does deserve credit for being right on this one.

@chris_ottawa

That’s fucked up, Trump is literally buying votes

Yes and no. Yes that will possibly be the end result, but no because this is actually an attempt (how good it is is another thing entirely) to work on boosting people in the gig economy, the small business owners and mom/pop places that need to keep their head above water. It’s a drop in the bucket, but …it’s the thought that counts? /s

[Legalsteel]

@Aragorn

Even a broken clock…but regardless, she does deserve credit for being right on this one.

Have to give her the W. It would be deeply uncharitable to not do so.

@Aragorn

Yes that will possibly be the end result, but no because this is actually an attempt (how good it is is another thing entirely) to work on boosting people in the gig economy, the small business owners and mom/pop places that need to keep their head above water.

If only we’d done it in 2008, what a difference that would have made. Alas, a decade late and trillions of dollars short.

[Legalsteel]

I don’t want to undersell this to people. The U.K. and France have just announced business loans to the tune of 15% of GDP. This is well beyond the looking glass folks.

[Aragorn]

@Legalsteel

I don’t want to undersell this to people. The U.K. and France have just announced business loans to the tune of 15% of GDP. This is well beyond the looking glass folks

WOW.

Is there any word on the kind of qualifications you need to get one?

[Legalsteel]

@Aragorn

Is there any word on the kind of qualifications you need to get one?

alas, that is total. But we may as well just panic buy the future currency: toilet paper.

[H_factor]

The thing is I’m not even sure bailouts are always wrong or that we made the wrong choices during the last one. Maybe we stopped the greatest financial collapse in world history.

But the moment the government decides to use tax money to bailout a business they should get full control over what they do until the money is paid back with interest.

If it’s in the interest of all to “save” a business how can it be in the interest of all to give the people at the top of that business that needed saved massive amounts of money?

When you make the rules you can’t lose.

[Aragorn]

@H_factor

If it’s in the interest of all to “save” a business how can it be in the interest of all to give the people at the top of that business that needed save massive amounts of money?

In principle I may agree with your previous statement about full control, but that’s a LOT of nationalization (particularly in this present case with 15% GDP on the docket for loans)… typically that goes only 1 way, and it’s not a way I want to travel.

I would thoroughly support limitations what you could or couldn’t do with the money (buybacks, CEO pay, etc)

[Legalsteel]

I’d like to remind us all that the current difficulties are because we didn’t fix the roof while the sun was shining. The next few months are gonna be an experiment in seeing how well we can fix a roof when it is pissing outside.

[H_factor]

@Aragorn

I would thoroughly support limitations what you could or couldn’t do with the money (buybacks, CEO pay, etc)

I would be ok with this. But also with future legislation in place to prevent the need for bailouts as well. If you’re too big to fail and you’re always gonna get a blank check you don’t get the same rules.

These people will be fine either way. They got this way from being in the pockets of those we elect. It’s just as much an “us” problem as a “them.”