The chances of dying with COVID ARE slim. The chances of dying from COVID are way lower than even that, I’d guess.
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My masks are polyester ones I bought from Adidas. They are washable, and I have the same 9 I bought in June of last year. I grant that they don’t have the strip of tin or whatever bendy part it is at the nose that allows for a customized fit. I figure that a lot of the air flow is up through that part and limits what gets filtered.
I am still saying that they are better than nothing.
The 4 part picture that NickViar posted several months ago I think back up my point here that some is better than none.
And yes, lack of doing so increases the opportunity for the disease to mutate into something harder to deal with. We have had how many variants in the last year and a half?
Considering that vaccines are so effective at preventing severe disease and death, I’m not sure it’s a bad idea for the “booster” to be infection
I think the real issue is getting the 3rd World vaccinated. I’m speaking in pragmatic terms here. ONE fucking mutated strain from India and the rest of the rest of the world got fucked again.
I’m NOT blaming India for this. All I’m saying is that this shit will happen again and the more time wasted, the higher the likelihood of a shittier, more dominant strain emerging from somewhere.
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This seems like a serious question.
If a virus was highly contagious and deadly like Covid and you could take something that drastically reduced those two factors why wouldn’t you? That’s completely irrational. You’re saying if preventative measure works how come bad things can still happen? You’re asking the wrong question. If preventative measure massively makes your odds better why wouldn’t you?
Just to be clear the vast majority of preventative measures aren’t 100% perfect. Why put your kid in a car seat? Some kids in car seats still die! Why wear a hard hat at a construction site? Some people wearing hard hats still die! Why wear a seat belt? Some people wearing hard hats still die! Why exercise for your health? All people who exercise still die. Why quit smoking? Non smokers still die.
You don’t need to take any preventative measures. We’re all going to die anyways so what’s the point? I’m still going to buckle up, brush my teeth, exercise, eat smart, etc because I’d prefer to do healthy things that increase my chances of living a longer healthier life. If you don’t want to do any of those things because you can still die be my guest.
Now here’s the most important part: the vast majority of those preventative things I listed protect you (smoking example not being one). But if vaccines make you less likely to catch and spread Covid you’re also protecting lots of others.
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Yeah, well, you should just respect the opinion of others. An opinion based on feelings and Facebook posts is just as valid as one based on science. Personal freedom! Don’t tread on me! Yeah!
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In a vacuum, I think that’s a very interesting point. However, if I can get vaccinated, never be contagious, and develop the same or nearly the same immunity, how is that not the better option for me, my family, and those around me?
My understanding is that widespread vaccination/immunity is super important in order to slow the spread and mutation of the virus. If the virus is spreading slower it is also mutating slower, and slower mutation means the current immunity of the population is more likely to protect against the virus they contact. If we just allowed infections, the pace of mutation would increase and immunity (whether from vaccine or prior infection) would be compromised.
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It also buys us more time while more effective vaccines or boosters to current ones with the objective of vastly reducing the potential for transmission are being developed, with some already in their trial phases.
Shit happens. The world doesn’t stop moving and neither does development in science and medicine. The current vaccines were produced in LESS THAN A YEAR and the death rate has fallen 5-10 times.
People need to take a step back and let this sink in.
On the plus side, the Phizer vaccine earned full FDA approval and holdouts can no longer use that as an excuse. Hopefully this prompts some holdouts to go and get stuck.
On the negative side, the covidiots are so entrenched that they actually booed their Dear Leader when he suggested they should go and get vaccinated.
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But it is not highly contagious and deadly. What is the survival rate? Of those that died from COVID how many had no underlying issues? How many had multiple comorbidities?
How is a less than 1% chance of death if you are under 60 years old highly contagious and deadly?
Your preventative examples are not that same because they do not require something to be injected into me. Something with no long term studies and possible side effects.
If you are at risk for example obese with hypertension and diabetes or 80 yrs old by all means get it, the risk may be worth it.
I still do not see why it should be mandated. We know how underlying issues put you at risk so, why no mandates for losing weight, exercising, or taking certain supplements?
The rationale is that you may not be at risk if you contract covid but you can still give it to others who may be more at risk. Personally, I can understand the question of freedom (although we do demand that people, particularly students, have certain vaccines) and I can see why a healthy individual might not want to be vaccinated, I don’t understand those who believe in some conspiracy or nanobots in the vaccine. If you are fat, unhealthy, or have preexisting conditions or other high risk factors, and that would be a large number of people, if your excuse for not getting the vaccine is some Qanon bullcrap, then you have bigger problems. John Wayne said life is hard and it’s even harder when you’re stupid.
As far as mandates for those other things, ideally it shouldn’t even be a question as people should already be expected to take care of their health. Why so many Americans seem to be perfectly fine with being fat and out of shape, and why as a society, we are now “accepting” of it (any criticism of obesity is fat shaming), is beyond me. Maybe obesity makes the right people rich. Soda, fast food, almost our entire food industry, is dependent upon Americans being gluttons and literally addicted to junk. With that said, your obese coworker’s obesity is not contagious. Sure, there is an argument that fat people increase medical costs for everyone but who pays those costs vs who profits from poor eating habits?
I would say that people should get the vaccine, even if they are not at risk if they contract covid, because there are other people who are not in position for reasons beyond their control and for reasons that are their fault. But I don’t judge healthy people who aren’t sure if they want to get the vaccine; unhealthy people? Well, their refusal to get vaccinated is probably related to the reasons they are unhealthy.
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Vaccination for menegites, TDAP, etc are required for kids to participate in public schooling. the very large majority of americans grew up getting vaccinated as part of the social contract they and their parents signed to participate in america. Why is this vaccination one step too far? Why is this (a historic, global pandemic) the hill to die on?
It may have started as a Trumptribe thing, but Dear Leader was recently booed for suggesting people should get vaccinated. What is the reason for such strong anti-mask, and anti-vax feelings? Why now? And do these people also think that we shouldnt have the existing vaccine requirements for schools?
I think they got vaccinated for more pragmatic reasons than the social contract. I mean, polio sucking is a good reason.
Interview with Dr. Robert Malone in regard to the “approved” vaccine. Could not find any others.
https://americasvoice.news/video/K0a3XOnZ1PZuEqo
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My mistake. I just added that since it is what was tagged under his name.
What about his concerns and take? It being pushed on children though the EUA was not approved for it etc.
The heart concerns (myocarditis) seem real.
Wonder if the suggested booster shots can add to the risks.
Not to mention, he is a disgraced researcher who has next to zero experience with mRNA vaccine development since 1989… meaning that he has not been involved in their development over the past 30 years when (i think its safe to say) some pretty large advances in the science happened.
Also, fuck steve bannon.
I wonder if there is a reason that no vaccines ive ever recieved are injected directly into the vein? Which is the mechanism, in mice, where the myocarditis occured. Youre so far out in rightfield Qland that even the reliably right on here just called BS on you.
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Exhibit A in why people no longer trust “health” “experts.”
Over 1,000 health professionals sign a letter saying, Don’t shut down protests using coronavirus concerns as an excuse - CNN
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