And I think this is what many are arguing the anti maskers are doing. So in some circumstances we can limit personal choices for that reason, but not in regards to wearing a mask?
Well, we have to allow for work. But, true, just going out is careless.
Only residents in their own homes.
Out of town family will just have to wait. And forget your childās sleepovers.
Exactly how I want pilots judged.
Thatās called an attractive nuisance. Canāt fill a swimming pool full of acid on your front lawn next to the nosy neighbor children either. Apparently there is case law on that.
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In some circumstances, we can defend ourselves with lethal force. Should it be legal to shoot an unmasked person on sight? The noise of shooting is another reason behind many municipalities prohibiting it. Is there a COVID equivalent to noise?
Allergies. If someone is allergic to shellfish(and plenty are), should it be unlawful to possess shellfish in public?
By the way, in the vast majority of instances fear of the unmasked is COMPLETELY UNreasonable. In almost all cases itās like being in fear that someone without a firearm is going to shoot you. Thatās not reasonable.
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Why? What good is work when certain death awaits those who venture out?
The fun police.
Yeah when we trace this type of thinking all the way back they become quite absurd. Society having certain rules is not a bad thing in and of itself. Well Iām not free because I canāt have a nuke, taking a rocket launcher into a hospital raises eyebrows, is just silliness to argue. They are ideas so absurd for large quantities of people they largely exist for people to argue about on the internet only.
They make for fun (I guess?) gotcha moments where you can say ahh how come you didnāt wear a mask then type arguments or oh if youāre ok with a speed limit how can you be against this?! If masks are good why isnāt your entire body covered in wraps to protect others? Huh? Huh? What do you say to that!
It allows for zero nuance, zero rational discussion, zero thought for the greater good. Itās not just a selfish way of thinking but lazy. When I was in my early 20ās I was on a forum with a large population of anarcho-capitalists. At one point I even thought they made some good points. Until I got a bit older and realized nah thatās just nuts. One of the main ones had a video with him saying why canāt I be free over and over basically (details are a bit foggy). The dude was in his mid 20ās playing online poker and living with his parents.
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When COVID=unsecure nuclear device, you know your propaganda is good.
Just testing the principle.
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I think youāre pretty much the last on the board that should ever complain about someone making a big leap off a post.
Youāve taken āsure would be nice if people took preventative measures during a worldwide pandemic thatās closing in on killing 600,000 Americans in a little over a year.ā And turned it into well I guess we should ban shellfish and shoot someone without a mask.
What principle?
Exactly
Did you miss where @mnben87 brought up firing guns in the city? And I didnāt suggest banning shellfish.
You brought up āthe principle,ā so to what were you referring?
No. Iām saying you take people who say reasonable things and try and take it to insane ending points more than anyone else on the forum. Calling someone out for that is a bit funny to me.
And all you had to do was erect a massive straw man.
We can all fall victim to it from time to time.
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I meanā¦ Yes. Kind of my point. This is circular. Weāre obviously not communicating well and I just donāt know how to articulate any better on the topic so Iām going to move on.
Iāve heard the same thing. Obviously I donāt agree with these people. However I have (and would) brought up this silly analogy before when speaking to extreme skeptics who demand deductive proof for everything. The point Iāve made to those people is that such a thing isnāt possible even in the silly case of said chair. But thatās entirely different than the conversation in this thread.
Anyway, back to viruses.
We can debate what number is appropriate all day, but the government can decide (state or federal). Itās inconvenient, but both historical precedent and constitutional powers give them the authority. The only murky ground IMO is whether the feds can mandate for individual states (states rights issue).
It sucks, but itās pretty clear.
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No. The idea of putting a mask on seems stupid. There are a bunch of people arguing that masks be mandatory because the idea of catching a cold terrifies them. There is only one side in fear, and itās not the one opposing mask mandates.