@loppar are you prepared to admit I may have a had a point about the EU yet? 
Von der Leyen has done more in two weeks to ensure the U.K. never even considers rejoining than Farage did in 30 years.
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Yes, thereās certainly merit to your argument. Jenny McCarthy and Joe Kennedy Jr. should at least send a thank you note to Ursula. I never imagined that several European governments would so irresponsibly stoke anti vaxxer sentiment.
On the flip side, I got my Oxford/AZ jab yesterday, courtesy of EMAās vaccination pause.
While EMA were deliberating, more than 50% of seniors with my GP abruptly cancelled their appointments for the āunsafeā Oxford/AZ vaccine, so she was forced to frantically call people much down the list as not to waste the delivered doses - I literally got the last remaining dose.
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Just catching up on the thread. Iām going to get the first Pfizer shot sometime next week but I didnāt know how much of a risk it was! Who would have thought, me, in the new holocaust.
Iāll report back to let you guys know how it goes. If I die itāll be the first T-Nation post from the other side. I bet thereās nobody curling in the squat rack there.
Thereās probably some irony in this somewhereā¦
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Congratulations! Any side effects so far?
Edit: I should clarify that itās dreadfully unfortunate overall that so many are now backing out of the vaccine, but I am glad you could make lemonade from the lemons.
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Pain in the arm around the injection site, slight fever 6 hours after receiving the dose, which subsided after another 12 hours, slight body aches.
In short, you feel as youāre about to go down with the flu for almost a full day, but after that the side effects disappear.
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Thatās been what Iāve heard from other younger individuals. Less symptoms among my grandparents though, not sure why.
According to one of the most renowned experts in Canada on Covid-19 (who happens to post on this site) youāll probably die within a matter of days.
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Great line, unless youāre one of the multitude of idiots.
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My GP told me itās due to a stronger immune response in younger individuals, warned me in advance not to freak out and have paracetamol at hand.
If these side effects are a sneak peak of the infection itself - I have absolutely no desire to experience the real deal.
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Anecdotally from on here and among friends younger people having more side effects than old. Which makes sense if that logic you made is true.
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Are US military typically given a choice about what vaccines they receive? Seems kinda silly they can be ordered to slaughter, but they are given a choice about getting vaccinated or not- something that affects the integrity of āthe groupā. Same with the flu shot, or various other vacinations that prevent/mitigate transmutable disease amongst close quarter fighting personal.
They can be ordered to take a vaccine. They can even be forcefully given a vaccine.
Which is one of the problems with arguing masks donāt work. Same as āif a tree falls in the forestā¦ā. If a city has a mask mandate and doesnāt enforce it, is it really a mandate? Also, can you really say masks donāt work if a very large swath of the country is not enforcing anything?
Iām leaving the thorny political, philosophical questions aside here. Obviously there are a number.
Honestly pretty much every store Iāve seen everywhere has a sign that says something like masks required. But at least where Iām at and the places Iāve been none of them are enforced and people go in and out without masks all the time.
I think itās easy to say look this place had a mask mandate and their numbers are high. But as you said you can tell everyone they have to wear a mask but if no one does and no one enforces it then youāve just got something on paper. Itās why I think looking at the data is so misleading. I can go everywhere in town right now (and itās been this way for months) and Iād say somewhere between 30 or 40% Max are wearing masks. Hell employees in some of these places arenāt wearing masks.
And that doesnāt even factor in the countless people who have masks and donāt have them on properly.
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Far be it from me to question such an August figureās tactical acumen, but this seems like the type of thing you check before you start rattling the sabre.
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Also, one would think that a global pandemic would the the least likely time for supposedly allied countries to be threatening to block life-saving medications from each other.
Thatās what we would expect from China or other actors.
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One would think.
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Just more proof of The short-sightedness of humans
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Letās not get too much into the ācondition of manā philosophical musings. This is simply pathetic posturing to cover up one of the most spectacular displays of incompetence ever.
The EU had the biggest market (500 million), biggest leverage and they decided to haggleā¦over price. In the midst of a global pandemic that destroys not only lives but economies of entire countries, they decided to save a couple of hundred million dollars, sacrificing delivery dates for a lower price per dose.
The imbeciles in the European Comission āsuccessfullyā negotiated a much lower price than both the UK and the US, under the Trumpian logic that the pandemic was somehow āoverā in the summer of 2020 and that there were in no rush to get the vaccines.
Now that even their feeble minds realized how much theyāve fucked up, theyāre resorting to demagoguery such as this, blaming the perfidious Albion, Big Pharma and dog whistling to anti vaxxers and extreme right wingers.
Edit: This NYT article covers some of EUās fuckups, albeit with rose tinted glasses.
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