That was just my cynical observation of how people make real things fake, hoaxes and scams (to themselves).
I really wish you the best with this. I had viral pneumonia and all of the symptoms in July. It was a rough time, but pulled through.
Take care. I’ll keep you in my prayers.
Oh I know you was being cynical…no worries.
@Aragorn thanks
Someone up thread asked who was planning to the a vaccine when they were available and I said I was. One of the key reasons being my parents and extended family aunt’s/uncle’s who are all above 70. My dad has a number of conditions that worry me.
If the Moderna vaccine is available I’ll most likely take it asap. I don’t think I’ll sign up for AstraZeneca’s shot if it’s all that’s available (but as I am in the States it probably won’t be a worry for me).
Key questions that need to be answered still are whether the vaccine keeps you from getting functionally infected, or whether it just keeps you from developing symptoms and you can still transmit the virus. It’s a question of viral particle load, not harm to the person vaccinated. But it would make a difference for people around vulnerable ones that have not been vaccinated yet.
So far data is good on both counts but it will take time to sus out the particular question since it’s subtle.
Absolutely @bulldog9899
I’ve been on the fence about it due to not knowing if one is able to be reinfected.
If you can’t be, then I’m pretty much good to go and don’t need it. If you can be, I should get it.
I just haven’t looked at re-infection much, and don’t know what information there is on it at this point.
I’d like to err on the side of “good to go!” but historically that hasn’t served me too well.
What do you think about the Pfizer vaccine? Your question about whether or not vaccinated people can still spread the virus is a big one. Last I read, we have 40 something % of of the population saying they will not get vaccinated. If so, and the vaccine(s) do not stop those vaccinated from spreading the virus, it seems like we’d still have a pretty big problem.
We’re in uncharted territory here really. Reinfection seems to be rare, but that’s also not conclusive because it’s only been 9 months, and often people will have boosted immunity to a virus (cold, flu) for the remainder of the “season” after getting it once, but then the year following they are vulnerable again for various reasons.
There are a minority of people who have had detectable levels of virus in their system for months on end (immunocompromised people for starters). Leaving aside false positives in testing etc.
There is a question as to how durable the immune memory is - this is something we’ll only know with longer study. But initial indicators seem to be good to me, and initial vaccine data seems to indicate a positive picture. T cell response is important as the antibody response wanes over time - this is expected of course, since it’s metabolically expensive to create large numbers of antibodies after am infection is done.
Vaccine effectiveness and duration of immunity are not the same thing but they are linked. If for instance a vaccine were to be extremely effective but needs to be taken yearly (like a much better flu vaccine) I’d still be on board.
Yeah it’s a potentially big problem, which is one reason I’m really interested in the answer. The flip side is, if the vaccine is safe for vulnerable populations (it seems so far to be) then even if you can “get” the virus if you have been vaccinated then you don’t need to worry about things like… You know, death and ventilation. This is a good outcome in and of itself. But it won’t help anyone who isn’t vaccinated and could potentially lead to more spread - as vaccinated folks go about their lives but remain carriers in some sense.
NOTE FOR OTHERS: they would NOT be carriers due to the vaccine itself.
As for Pfizer, their biggest problem looks to be logistics. The vaccine needs to be kept in deep freeze, which means specialized transport above and beyond most cold trucks available. That’s a hurdle with so many doses needing to be distributed both for transport purposes and also because places like neighborhood Walgreens may or may not have a -80° freezer for storage.
Thanks Aragorn. Yeah, Pfizer seems like they’re going to have some issues with storage. I was just wondering if there was something about the vaccine itself that was a red flag for you.
I’ll get one of the vaccines when it’s my turn. I’m not a front line worker and I’m not in a really high risk demographic so I figure it’ll be a few months.
No prob. It’ll probably be a few months for most of us honestly, just with distribution and prioritization of dosing.
As far as the vaccine itself all the data I’m aware of looks solid. Both Pfizer and Moderna ran very large trials that are generating good information. I don’t think there’s anything to worry about on that front, at least as far as information that is currently available. It is science after all…
I’m not sure what the hell happened with Oxford/AstraZeneca. The guys doing the research in vaccine development are top notch, so I suspect something happened in the management or business side. Which is strange because AZ is no stranger to drug development and validation.
How are you guys? Any symptoms and, if so, how long has it been? I’m asking because after around 8 days, if nothing major develops, you’ll probably fine from what I’m getting from the existing literature.
I don’t pray much, but I really wish you the best. Who else is going to post all the cool bulldog memes here lol?
Always have Loved your “real-World/practical look” at things, @SkyzykS (and your openness).
I can’t tell you how much sense this all makes to me now. I’ve always said that I’ll try to do the right thing, and hope that I end up on the right side of history. (Everyone likes to think they would have been one of the ones offering resistance to the Nazi…or the valiant ones who gave up their seat for another on a “Titanic” lifeboat, right? All people are being asked to do is wear a damn mask in public and ease up on the social gatherings…)
This just solidifies what @dcb said earlier…there will be no convincing the “hoaxers” and the no-mask wearing “tough guys”…so I won’t try.
@bulldog9899…keep you head up and your sprits high.
You and the missus got this.
Just to add, @SkyzykS…
Interestingly enough…I have never known anyone personally to die in a car accident.
I bet it’s a damn hoax meant to take away my freedom to drive…
I got hit Wednesday notice somthing was off that morning. Crashed and burned that afternoon fever kicked in ran between 100 degrees f to 101.5 until Friday morning and it finally broke and went to normal.
Pretty much I was wasted for about 36 hours give or take. Outside of some fatigue at the moment im good just some lingering body ache .
Wife got hit Thursday and is still running minor fever… only major difference symptoms wise is she has lost her sense of taste and smell.
Got in and got tested … results won’t be in for a few days for confirmation. Opted not to fuck around and went on the offensive and doing a medication protocol
@Mufasa will do thanks.
They have you living in fear wearing your seat belt, so scared and distracted you don’t notice them picking your pocket!
Sounds good. I think you’re probably gonna be fine given the fact that there’s been no escalation of symptoms at all. But take it real easy and rest a lot for the next 2 weeks just to be safe. No lifting at all PLEASE lol. Loss of sense of taste and smell makes it almost certain you both have it. But her sense of taste and smell WILL come back according to every single local report I’ve read.
Luckily I havent lost mine… but I might have over done it today by not staying in bed.
All the best to you and the Mrs. I hope you two return to health quickly!
I was fabricating a new thing for my buddies one machine, and knew it was hot, but not That freakin hot, and my throat felt like I had eaten glass and had to keep stopping for water and rest. 10 hrs. into a 3 or 4 hr. job I was like “Honey, I think something is really wrong. 
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My fighter was that guy. I don’t think you were in the PWI forum when that happened in October, but that’s how I got it - from his kickboxing coach (we were both at the fight and after). So he fought (with the virus) on Friday. Got tested Sunday, but Tuesday he tells me he that he tried to jog after I explicitly tell him not to do anything. Of course he’s an Army Ranger so he figures a light jog is ok, then complains that he had to nap after trying 2 laps around the track 
He stayed on the couch the next few days. Along with his wife.