How long has it been and any symptoms? Just hoping he’s fine.
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He just found out today. Feels good. He’s 28 and I’m pretty decent shape so I’m sure he will be fine. But our whole family undoubtedly would have got it as he would have already been home and so would have everyone else at this point. So canceling thanksgiving ended up being the right move at least for us. My parents both just turned 70 recently.
I’m really hoping cases don’t absolutely explode 2-3 weeks from now but it feels like an inevitability at this point.
Which feels like a weird thing to say when we are back to flirting with 3k deaths and over 200,000 cases per day
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Well damn also just found out my junior high basketball coach has it. Group of old guys in my small town have always got together at a local business and played cards for years. Friend told me they have been playing same as always no masks and now multiple positives.
Fuck. He’s 66 and one of the youngest there by quite a bit. I haven’t been in the place in a while but the regulars who used to play were all mid 70’s and older.
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I’m glad he’s ok and especially glad you guys didn’t get together and end up getting your parents sick. That scares me because I am really close to my parents and they’re in their 70s. Dad’s got an occluded artery, couple years post stroke, and a couple other things. And just got out of surgery for shoulder issues.
I mean, I’m glad they’re in KS instead of say Florida, but still…
Shit mate. I’m really sorry. Tell your brother and the older guys to get on vitamin D (10,000 - 20,000 IU per day), vitamin C (1500 - 2000 mg per day), zinc (25 mg), and chelated magnesium (1-2 doses) asap. The sooner the better. Glutathione too if they can find it on Amazon.
Vitamin D deficiency - even minor - is associated with worse outcome/longer sickness, and C/zinc are always good for immune function. Glutathione reduction has been implicated (inflammatory response), but of course this is speculation nothing proven.
Anecdotally some of my medical friends have said ozone treatment has made them feel great while positive, but I don’t know enough to recommend it. They have all the toys lol.
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Thanks man. I’ll share this advice.
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@Aragorn Curious as to your thoughts whenever you might get a chance to look
A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19 - The Johns Hopkins News-Letter
So, just giving this a quick look because whiskey lol.
I do think we have seen and will see some misclassified deaths. I do not call this misleading because it isn’t. Misleading implies some sort of intent. I think that is probably unavoidable in any new and rapidly changing situation.
Additionally the 3rd graph (table) only goes to April. I’d say that’s probably the end of the seasonal hump for deaths, so it doesn’t surprise me. I can’t access the original data or seem to blow up the all cause line graph enough to read the ending dates.
Additionally data seems to be in conflict with other sources. I agree that a good way to approach overall excess mortality load is by looking at the overall rate of deaths, but most other studies on excess deaths come to opposite conclusions as her (here’s one: Estimation of Excess Deaths Associated With the COVID-19 Pandemic in the United States, March to May 2020 - PubMed) Why I’m not sure, but I would trust epidemiology over economics for this particular job. I don’t think that she’s misleading, just incorrect.
They’ve taken the article down which is why the waybackmachine was needed to post it. Let’s get one thing clear: The author’s conclusion that there have been no excess deaths in the U.S. this year is false. There have been at least 300,000 excess deaths in 2020 compared to recent years. 300k was the CDC’s number as of 10/3 when the COVID death count was at 215k. Since we have now added at least 50k to that number we know the count is higher. Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19, by Age and Race and Ethnicity — United States, January 26–October 3, 2020 | MMWR
The article that appeared in JHU’s student newspaper is an opinion piece by someone who is not a medical professional or a disease researcher.
From the retraction:
It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.
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Ah! Memories, @dcb!
This is a very long thread, so not much to add except this:
As the numbers, hospitalizations and deaths go up; and the number of deaths accelerate; I found much less posting and rants by a particular “COVID-Hoax” promoter (who in fact sued I think the state of Ohio for some of its early restrictions). I have to even wonder if she or someone close to her contracted COVID…
My question is still the one that I asked a few months ago:
When is it on longer a hoax? How many deaths and hospitalizations will it take?
You don’t know the answer by now? There is no number, no matter how high that will convince a significant number of people that this isn’t a hoax, because they don’t believe the data. They have completely rejected reason, science, and rational thought to draw their conclusions. Remember that to them this is a good vs evil battle so to draw a line at a certain number is impossible. There’s so much irony in this, including the fact that this country was founded on the principles of the enlightenment. Another being that the people doing the misleading are using tools invented by scientists to spread lies. If they were true to themselves they could at least limit their histrionics to town square gatherings where they shout at people from the top of a barrel.
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Outstanding.
All regrettable…but true, @dcb…
I am aware of the takedown and all, but not the retraction.
Not an anti vaxxer nor covid denier.
Just curious about article, since l said on here 9 months ago someghing to the effect that overall deaths would be a good indicator of this pandemic’s lethality. I have been frustrated in following numbers, when the CDC runs an astounding18 months behind on official morbidity figures.
If i am misreading your reply as a snarky retort, rather than conversation, my apologies.
I don’t know epidemiology, but I know statistics.
The underlying math is the retracted article is straight out bullshit.
EDIT: I can’t comment on the CDC, but the Brits have an excellent dashboard for tracking Covid, it should give you an idea about the impact of the pandemic. I’d assume that the numbers for the US are worse, when adjusted for population.
I didn’t mean it as a snarky retort. You’re clearly a smart person so I would have been surprised if you’re a denier/anti-vaxxer. So, please consider it conversation. I’m just frustrated by the misinformation out there that I think is causing some people to make poor decisions regarding the pandemic.
edit to add: On the subject of the vaccines, there are some people putting out there the idea of paying people to get vaccinated. I’d been unaware of this type of thing but I guess it’s been used in other countries with some success. There are arguments for and against the idea. I’m not sure what I think about it yet and it may not get any traction anyway but here’s an article on the subject: Pay People $1,000+ to Get COVID-19 Vaccine: Top Economists, Former 2020 Candidates
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"I’ve only ever known one person who died in a fire. And he was all high on pills and fell asleep smoking, so… Ya know. He pretty much did that to himself.
Now my buddy, he’s a fireman, and he says it happens all the time but…
That’s why smoke alarms are bullshit. I don’t need to go changing freakin batteries all the time.".
Thats how people figure things out Mufasa. You start at the conclusion and backfill with feelings to make it make sense. Any " experts" that contradict ones feelings–wel they’re, ah, you know [insert ad hominem]. It definitely helps of you can blame the subjects and make it their fault, keeping ones own hands clean.
That’s why it’s a hoax.
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Pretty sure the wife and myself are dealing with the hoax at the moment.
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I knew something was funky, I just didn’t take the time to dig since it was late and I was less than sober. As I noted above, I would trust epidemiology over economics when investigating excess deaths and disease loads in population. And that her article goes against the other sources of investigation on the topic available in journals.
Following the numbers can be a nightmare friend, it’s fine! The CDC is incredibly frustrating when it comes to timely information on official figures, but I understand why… They are effectively working to “certify” the numbers as accurate as best they can, kinda like states in an election.
Problem is they are much more inefficient at admin it seems.
I remember your post, and agreed then and now. Excess deaths is a good indicator. Not the be-all end-all but very good. It takes time to drill down though, and that’s where Briand is in conflict with the number of studies already published.
Stay healthy sir. My thoughts and prayers to you both.
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