Who knows, you need a strong immune system to survive in India anyway so maybe the death rate is lower over there.
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Yeah, especially since they donāt have as large of an aged population relative to other countries. But my point is, pragmatically, restrictions on their entry to other countries or serious quarantine measures on entry have to be taken without regard for politics. Iād say the same for Indonesia as well.
I know an Indian guy who came back from there in the spring when COVID restriction were just coming into place. He said that he had to take a blood test for COVID (how come they donāt do that here?) and wait several hours for the results outside the airport before he was allowed to enter the building. At that time in Canada there was a shortage of masks for healthcare workers and there were not really any measures in place yet, he wasnāt tested when he arrived and simply went on his way. As much as Indiaās lockdown was a disaster, they took things seriously earlier than many other countries.
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Yeah, itās why Iām not blaming THEM. Iāve been there lots of times and I think itās an administrative headache x 1000 to even try to contain it in ONE small underdeveloped state. Iām talking about other countries taking extra precautions. Itās not politically correct and may strain relations, but itās necessary until a vaccine is available.
For example, Britain was one of the main countries bringing in the virus at the start in march so we put all Brits in quarantine. It wasnāt China although our 1st case was from Wuhan. Then it was Italy and then it finally came to the point where we closed our borders and only allowed citizens and residents back in but they ALL had to be in quarantine in dedicated facilities.
It worked. But the problem is India is getting worse and we may soon start banning Indian travellers even though weāve reopened our borders with the caveat that ALL travellers entering need to go through quarantine for 2 weeks with the exception of China(1 week home quarantine).
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Sounds more serious than the virus symptoms in most people:
āA number of volunteers among the 43,500 people from six countries who took part in the phase three trials ā some received the experimental vaccine and others got a placebo ā said they experienced side effects that felt like a severe hangover, according to multiple reports.ā
Another thing Iām wondering is if any of the people they tested the vaccine on had previously been infected with the virus.
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I think Pattonās quote goes like this: " A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Love that quote.
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Depends on the country and demographics, like you said, I guess. I wrote the following in another thread after having followed Singaporeās stats for several months, which are very concise and accurate if you visit their governmentās website, and wrote this:
98-99% were Bangladeshi migrant workers 20s to 40s. So all relatively healthy, non-smokers, got lots of exercise etc. ALL workers were tested according to credible sources.
Thatās like a 0.04% death rate.
Intended to post this as reply to chris like the one below which is basically the same post with a couple of minor edits but canāt delete this because Iāve exceed the maximum amounts of deletes for the next 12 hours.
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Iām surprised that this wasnāt covered more since, morality aside, itās an actual āexperimentā with a gigantic sample size with probably the most accurate results you can find anywhere else in the world pertaining to a certain demographic.
AT LEAST 100,000+ subjects were strictly isolated for months with their movements and interactions more or less quantifiable and ALL were tested.
Every. Single. One.
The data acquired here should be fucking valuable but I guess politics are preventing it from being used.
A vitamin D concentration insufficiency increased hospitalization (OR = 1.81, 95% CI = 1.41-2.21) and mortality from COVID-19 (OR = 1.82, 95% CI = 1.06-2.58). We observed a positive association between vitamin D deficiency and the severity of the disease.
Thatās interesting, thanks for posting it. We wonāt know for a while but this could mean increasing severity of the disease as we enter the winter months in the northern hemisphere. As people get less sunlight, vitamin D levels will drop. Vitamin D can be a good supplement for athletes anyway so stock up!
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Ok, I misunderstood you then. Not eating is generally a much larger hurdle, and on a wider scale, for elderly people than others regardless of illness. Theyāre very at risk of multiple nutrient deficiencies, which obviously you know since you work with them. I can only speak to the US though, not sure what the state is in Canada.
Nutrient deficiencies go together with poor immune function and pre-existing conditions, so I am not surprised.
They should be prosecuted. Unless youāre on isolation thatās your job. Leaving people to die is heinous.
Why shouldnāt the vaccine also have an 86% asymptomatic rate?
But thatās the point. Again, your statement was that the vaccine could be more dangerous than the virus. If the vaccine was MORE dangerous than the virus, then these same at risk people would be more likely to die from the vaccine than from the virus. They would be the last people that should be vaccinated if your statement were true.
Thankfully thereās no reason to believe itās true.
I am not picking up what you are trying to say though. I think targeted approaches have to be used right now since we are far to deep in this thing to go with the big long lockdown again.
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On brand.
We are on the fast track to another hard lockdown here in NYS based on our current actions by Fuhrer Cuomo. I know several owners of bars in Downtown Syracuse that are considering closing up shop because they literally cannot continue at this pace.
Are you seriously comparing someone to Hitler over ordering bars to close early in response to a pandemic
Look at the restrictions that occurred in Aus/Victoria and in many Asian countries before you start complaining about something as trivial as this.
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Yes, yes I am. I also point to his travel restrictions and needing to identify where you are coming from and going to upon exiting a plane, for example.
So this is equatable to someone who killed six million Jewish people. And a few million political prisoners/members of other demographics.
Imposing restrictions over a country of which has handled this pandemic worse than that of the most impoverished third world countries isnāt a bad idea
But āmuh freedomsā meanwhile hospitals are clogging up. In Australia you canāt even leave the countryā¦ full stopā¦ interstate travel is still off the cards for most
The virus doesnāt have an 86% asymptomatic rate. Heās quoting a study of which indicated 86% of those who tested positive at one point in time were asymptomaticā¦ shocker considering viral latency period is upwards of 14 days
Certain demographics are somewhat asymptomatic and/or arenāt particuarly vulnerable to serious complications. That being said death rates in Singapore didnāt include myocardial infarction/arrhythmia. We know covid-19 induced cardiac damage/elicits a viral cardiomyopathy in a fair portion of those infected. Myocardial infarction/fatal arrhythmia whilst sick with covid = probable cause of death is covid-19
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The situation is under control now, but this and other issues were a huge problem back in the spring. Right now there are a few homes that were not able to provide adequate care and the government took over, but in all of Ontario I believe itās only 3 homes.
Yeah but under labor laws here you have the right to refuse unsafe work, and being in contact with dozens of COVID patients with nothing more than a surgical mask would meet that definition. On top of that, many people had way more work than normal due to staffing shortages.
I worked almost every day in April before I tested positive and the last week it was me and one other guy running the kitchen because everyone else either caught the virus or refused to work, we we both doing two peopleās work or at least trying to. I would have refused to work too but I heard how other homes fell apart and lots of people died because nobody was coming to work, that was the only thing that motivated me to do what I did.
No symptoms of adverse effects?
A lot of people get very sick from flu shots but get over the flu easily if they even get infected. I know a few people who have medical exemptions for that reason. Some people just donāt respond well to certain things.
Ok so what sort of targeted approach do you suggest? Biden and friends have other plans for you:
Asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic are not the same thing. With any virus, you first get infected and later develop symptoms.