They cannot understand that globalism - aka free flow of goods and people is an exemption, not the norm of human history. Therefore, they throw a tantrum whenever their fragile globalist lives are disrupted and blame the symptoms not the cause.
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I thought you said itās not a lockdown even here?
There are restrictions in Sweden, but much less severe than in Canada and democrat states. Just yesterday it was in the news that people over 70 are no longer being told to stay home, due to the fact that the pandemic will drag on for a while still and the negatives of staying home outweigh the risks of going out.
The problem is that most countries got caught up in this system and now when something happens it all falls apart. You do have a good point though, this should make everyone realize that being as self-sufficient as possible is necessary for long term prosperity and survival.
We never had a lockdown where I live.
How did your restrictions compare to Sweden though? You were the one saying itās not a lockdown and then proceeded to link an article calling Swedenās moderate policies a lockdown, so which is it?
Itās the result of a having a left wing bureaucratic government - they compiled the report to end the stay home guidelines (isnāt that a partial lockdown?) six weeks ago and now their ossified bureaucracy cannot change it at such a short notice, despite a surge in cases.
So that means that a lot of (older) people are going to die needlessly.
Itās targeted measures for those who are actually at risk.
Yeah but look at the deaths in the graph above. āCasesā is meaningless.
I linked to an article that contradicts your statement that Sweden was easing restrictions.
That doesnāt help your argument. The elderly were never restricted from going out, only advised.
Both I and loppar have posted numerous articles and charts. In fact, I posted a giant article direct from Science a couple weeks, which did a dive into the entire thing as a news report and covered both the genesis and evolution of Swedenās covid history.
I donāt need to do it again when you wonāt read it.
And you repeatedly straw man both my position and lopparās position.
No, theyāre not. Cases always lead deaths, so increasing case loads lead increasing deaths if tracked correctly.
Politicians/government officials have been hurting their subjects forever. I wish people would point out that theyāre the cause.
Youāre a libertarian. No matter how much someone points out govt is a huge cause it will never be enough for you because reasonable government is still too much government for you.
This is true but whether you have 10000 cases per day for 10 days or 10 cases per day for 10000 does not seem to be a scenario we have good information for - outside the situation where you let it get to old folks or your hospitals get swamped (which is clearly bad)
If a vaccine is not coming or is 3 years away then it feels like shuffling deckchairs. If the vaccine is last month then it makes more sense.
We need to also consider we are getting much, much better at treating the Iāll now.
Partially agree, but Iām not sure how much the data lacks currently (i am on some other projects right now with little free time)
Exactly.
Never has so much been sacrificed for so (insert whatever word you want, Iāll choose āpedestrianā) a disease/virus/plague/whatever.
Personally, I hope these take off:
https://www.vyzrtech.com/
So aside from the moderate restrictions, the recommendations and advice are becoming more relaxed.
That stuff seems pretty biased to me, it directly contradicts the evidence (such as number of deaths and infections, and economic damage) that I have been posting. Iām just not convinced at all, and a lot of the news and articles is nothing more than fear mongering.
Iām not really sure what your position is other than you disagree with me. I asked you to clarify your position a while back and you didnāt.
Not true. This ā2nd waveā is a wave of ācasesā, deaths have not increased at anywhere near the same rate.
See the daily new cases and deaths in Ontario here:
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
And for the two days where deaths spiked out of nowhere, this is why:
cases soared to a new record of 732 cases in Ontario ā the largest-to-date one-day spike of new cases in the province, although 73 of those were previously uncounted cases from the spring and summer.
Even the mainstream media is openly opposing the restrictions and bullshit in Canada.
Recovered from corona 1 week ago.
That shit wasnt so dangerous as i thought before.
Give it time. 50, 60, 70, 80 years from now, your family and friends will realize just how deadly was your infection.
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As has been the case in the US with each āwaveā deaths go up about 3-5 weeks after cases rise. Right now cases in the US are spiking really high but if things are the same as they have been we would expect deaths to go up in a few weeks.
It wouldnāt be a bad prediction to assume that deaths in the US will jump over 1K a day for a bit in a few weeks. Although we are treating it better so maybe not.