Shutdowns have nothing to do with a damn virus.
You drive a hard bargain, but I will. Hell, I’ll throw in anything people that believe the shutdowns are not political want. After all, they’ll believe anything I give them is what I say.
Then what is the reason for shutdowns in your opinion?
I don’t agree with all the measures in place, but there is a lot of disinformation out there from right wingers as well.
Anything to support that assertion?
Not a damn thing.
They may not be great measures. They’re certainly not sustainable. But they were and are 100% virus driven.
You don’t kill the livelihoods of your constituents for nothing, or on a whim. They’ll never forgive if you do, and every politician knows this.
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That’s the standard millennial/gen z response to… everything.
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Are you mask shaming him?
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The funny thing about shaming is that those who complain about it, don’t feel shame.
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Politics.
Of course not. You kill them(livelihoods) in order to make them(your constituents) more reliant upon you.
Right. That’s exactly why FDR doesn’t get to be near the top of most lists of best Presidents; the people never forgave him for destroying crops and livestock, and forcing higher prices for goods during the Great Depression. Get real. A politician could piss down the backs of most of his voters while telling them it’s raining and be believed by the vast majority.
So what sort of politics exactly? Most countries had some sort of shutdown, it’s not just the US. In many places, all political parties support the shutdown. Sweden is one of few places that kept nearly everything open and the government there is far left.
Control politics.
There is something to that, but it also does have something to do with a virus. Like I said several times in here, I don’t agree with the way things were handled, but I’m also skeptical about a lot of claims being made about this situation.
Fair enough. I should not have said “nothing.” The virus provided an excuse.
Literally lol-ed.
Ain’t this the truth.
Livelihood concerns outweigh virus concerns, not that surprising…: (plus fodder for the TDSers)
I think the question here is whether there are some ulterior motives to the way this has been handled, and who actually benefits from it. If businesses are collapsing and real estate prices and the stock market crash then it gives those with enough money the opportunity to buy up a lot of stuff for a low price. The “control” aspect can only continue for so long, you can’t keep things locked down forever and most of the world is opening up again, just the economic damage is going to be around for some time.
Also some big companies are making more money than ever, Amazon and Shopify are making lots of money from online shopping. I see Amazon deliveries on my street every day, they even deliver on weekends and holidays now.
I have been thinking about this lately, guys…
Even though I think it won’t happen…I think everyone…from naysayers to Medicine…and from Public Health officials to conspiracy theorist…need to back the fuck up…take a deep breath…and figure out what the hell is the best way to proceed.
Make no mistake…this virus is “in charge”…and some days it sounds, looks and feels like everyone is either 1) winging it and/or 2) talking out of their ass.
It’s getting beyond frustrating to me…
Until the virus is gone, the most important thing is to prevent the sick and elderly from getting infected because those are the ones most likely to get severely ill or die. For the rest of us it’s not something to worry about. But it looks like you can go one of two ways, either try to prevent the spread altogether (which works to some degree but higher economic costs) or just say fuck it and keep things open (which will probably lead to a few more COVID deaths).
It’s hard to say what is better in the long run, even if all you care about is saving lives at any cost then preventing the spread has its own problems, increased suicides, cancelled medical treatments, depression, etc. The other day in the news they were talking about a guy in Alberta who was supposed to have a defibrillator implanted due to heart problems but it wasn’t considered essential enough and he died a couple months later from a heart attack, 30-something years old. Other people had cancer treatment cancelled. Hospitals are almost empty too, last I checked there were 3 or 4 COVID patients hospitalized in Ottawa, and hospitals are sending staff to help understaffed nursing homes. So maybe all these measures will stop the virus, only 43 cases left in Ottawa, but if you let a whole bunch of people die or be permanently fucked up from preventable/treatable issues is it worth it?
How many times are you going to post this demonstrably untrue thing? The virus is not only killing people over 80 and we have no idea about the long term complications. On a forum with a ton of users in the 40-60 range spreading the idea that only the elderly need to worry isn’t just false it’s potentially dangerous. Not to mention it’s absolutely something that can hospitalize you for a significant amount of time which in America with our health care system could mean financial ruin.
Not something to worry about seems incredibly dismissive to me and not something I would want the average T-Nation user to think is accurate (Although I think most are intelligent enough to know that it’s false). Everyone should absolutely be taking precautions to avoid getting it to the best of their abilities.
You don’tn believe statistics or what?
For people younger than 45, the infection fatality rate is almost 0%. For 45 to 70, it is probably about 0.05-0.3%. For those above 70, it escalates substantially, to 1% or higher for those over 85. For frail, debilitated elderly people with multiple health problems who are infected in nursing homes, it can go up to 25% during major outbreaks in these facilities.