So in your opinion it’s uncertain whether death is better or worse than hardship?
It’s called re-phrasing.
He’s one of the main people influencing WHO policies at the moment, so it does matter.
I don’t know what he wants, but I don’t agree with what he is doing.
Yeah, because you keep going back to the same old nonsense. Why have the same argument multiple times?
Imposing his will on the world.
What some people see as help, others see as unwanted interference.
It would be an individual decision. Some people have chosen death over slavery.
No. You originally wrote not living at all. If you never lived, you couldn’t die.
He has a shit ton of money. People with a shit ton of money have influence. You said why does Gates still want places shut down. It doesn’t matter what he wants. Kansas schools didn’t close because of Bill Gates and they won’t open because of him. Why does Bill Gates want to stay shutdown in New York City has no more relevance than what your uncle thinks they should do.
Bill Gates wanted a nationwide 10 week shutdown. That didn’t happen. The WHO is not the reason Canada or the US had lockdowns.
I don’t agree with what a lot of people are doing. Doesn’t make me jump to conspiracy theory mode though.
Because I ask you for specifics? Yeah that’s what happens when you say things like “it looks like” or “maybe something is going on, looks that way.” My guess is you’ve read some right wing stuff that has you worried about Gates. That’s why you continue to flirt with the idea of a conspiracy theory. That’s why you threw out the killing people part. But you’ve been called out for it before by numerous posters so you won’t actually take a stand or be specific.
Gates may be up to something. Trump might. Your uncle might. My neighbor might be. Obama might be. Jimmy Carter. Sure we don’t know, but without evidence why should we suspect doomsday shit.
He is beyond rich and rich people get to do that. And in America we even say we need to cut these people’s taxes or something. From where I sit I’ll take what Gates is doing over the vast majority of rich people. He’s taken a massive interest in global health and has donated a shit ton of money. Do I agree with everything he does? Probably not. Does he have too much influence in some areas? Maybe. But so does every other significantly wealthy person especially those with his level of wealth.
Would I rather have the super rich buy more yachts and private islands or donate billions to eradicating malaria? I’ll take the latter. Are you opposed to someone spending their billions on AIDS, tuberculosis, etc? Or are you thinking he shouldn’t spend his billions on those goals. Your knock is he’s pro-choice? Maybe if pro-life people would spend more of their money on these things he wouldn’t have to do so.
Yeah I’m sure people with aids and malaria don’t want anyone interfering with that shit. “Hey we don’t have clean drinking water, but I don’t want some billionaire coming in and helping this village. Leave us alone!”
I’m sure plenty of valid criticisms for Gates exist, but let’s look at the facts we know. He spends an absolute shit ton of money on things that every rational person should be in favor of. If someone is opposed to fighting AIDS they aren’t rational. He has a large influence in many places…but this is a product of being very wealthy and all very wealthy people have large influence. He (or anyone) could be using coronavirus to make a profit.
What doesn’t add up is that a super wealthy individual who retired from a position where he could increase his wealth even and spends billions of dollars on global health created a virus or his sole intention with it is to make money.
Could both of those be true? Sure. Anything is possible. But I’ve asked for your specifics and you haven’t brought them. If you want us to believe a conspiracy theory explain it in detail for us.
Oh shit! This is how the end begins.
Did I miss something where Bill Gates was sterilizing slaves and aborting their babies?
As a matter of fact, WHO didn’t announce the coronavirus as a pandemic until the very day after Gates — who had wished for some time that WHO would declare the coronavirus a pandemic — well, until the very day after Gates made a very large donation to a cause that benefits WHO.
Really? On March 11 the WHO declared a pandemic, the next day a state of emergency was declared in Canada and the shutdown began. Is it a mere coincidence?
Maybe some of what the does is good, but some is arguably not, and a lot is questionable as well. You could find good things that Hitler or Stalin did if you look hard enough.
Do you need concrete evidence of wrongdoing to question someone’s motives? Especially when that person is promoting things that you are opposed to.
When did I ever say we should “suspect doomsday shit”? You jump to more stupid conclusions than you even accuse me of.
You with the same old bullshit comments again. I explain how some people came to the conclusion that Gates was going to inject them with RFID chips and such and now I’m the one pushing the theory. This is a perfect example of a strawman argument.
Is there a proper time to introduce something as a pandemic? What’s the actual criteria? Do you remember that a criticism of numerous medical experts was that the WHO waited too long?
Probably not, but it doesn’t change the fact. Canada could have done whatever the fuck it wanted to do. Most of the world started to take it seriously near the same amount of time especially North America. Should we be surprised that countries took it more seriously after they announced this? I wouldn’t think so. Does Gates have the power to shut down Canada? No.
Considering when Gates became a right wing conspiracy target because of this you probably read something that made you oppose him I guess not. Maybe you don’t understand quite a bit though given the fact that you already were corrected about a comment he made. One that could be verified as bullshit within seconds.
For fucks sakes comparing Gates to Hitler or Stalin? The dude who has spent billions of dollars on some of the poorest people in the world? I don’t even know why I waste my time. You probably didn’t even know what the right wing told you not to like about him before coronavirus.
Multiple times. That’s what happens when you bring up what conspiracy theorists say and then say something along the lines of looks like they may be right or looks like something is there.
This is you not having the balls to take a stand on the conspiracy theory, but believing in it to enough of an extent that you certainly think it’s very likely. My guess is you got corrected by multiple people often in this thread and now you won’t be specific.
You asked the question.
This is my favorite of the bunch so far
At this point none.
I played Resident Evil. I got this covered. Well, that and my Army buddies…
It actually is!
AAAAAGH!
damn. This is when the Zombies start.
Why should I “take a stand” on something I don’t believe?
This is a pointless discussion.
I think that’s obvious.
Might be something there, not far fetched, does this look like a person you can trust, etc. You trot out the conspiracy theories, lay out the why’s, and then say I’m not saying I believe it or something. And then you talk about his comments on something that you didn’t even remotely understand.
So I’m assuming you’re in full agreement that the conspiracy theories that Gates created the coronavirus for profit are fucking idiotic? Not “well I can see why people think that and it isn’t baseless?”
Like I said I don’t care if you even did believe that, but this maybe maybe not stuff is where you lose me. To me either you believe it or you look at it as far right lunacy.
It’s one thing to look at a particular situation and say that something about it doesn’t look right, and another to put together bits and pieces of information and create your own narrative. That’s what you seem to be unable to understand.
Ok so what doesn’t look right enough to say Gates created Coronavirus for profit?
Nothing, because there is no evidence to suggest that at all.
If you want my thoughts on this, as I said him and China appear to be the two main parties behind the WHO at the moment. That alone is a cause for concern, knowing all the shit that China is up to. But as for what is really going on behind the scenes and what their aims are, I really can’t say. The possibilities are endless, but without any solid evidence it makes no sense to propose any particular theory. It would just be a good idea to be wary of anything having to do with Gates or the WHO.
Ok so apparently you’ve changed from when you originally said it doesn’t seem far fetched to think he would be using the virus to his advantage.
How do you figure that? It doesn’t seem far fetched at all that he might be using this situation to either make more money or gain more power and influence, but at the same time it’s impossible to say what he is really trying to accomplish. Opportunism and deliberately planning a global crisis are two different things.
I’m skeptical of his actions, but I’m not trying to invent a story based on bits and pieces of evidence.
Why single out Gates? Isn’t every company working on a virus in a position to make money off of it? Aren’t people who are selling masks profiting? How about the people who bought up all the hand sanitizer and sold it at huge markups?
Is it surprising that a man who has spent billions of dollars helping other people with health issues has an active interest in helping with a global pandemic?
Like I said if you want to say he has too much influence in the world I’m not sure I’d disagree, but so do all billionaires. I’m not sure that my first suspect in the only looking to profit from the virus would be the person who has spent billions of his own money fighting health problems around the world.
Because the others are minor players, he is one of the main people influencing WHO policy. That doesn’t mean that nobody else could be up to something, but he’s just the one that sticks out.
No, but some of his “help” is questionable as are his motives.
Again, he’s not the only person potentially looking to profit. But he is the one who called for shutdowns around the world, which was not only unnecessary but is causing a lot of economic problems. Even if his intentions are good, the situation that he got us into is not and the situation should have been handled differently. And like I said several times already, maybe at first it was excusable because we didn’t know what we were dealing with but soon enough the data came out showing that only the elderly and sick were at high risk.
Now see this:
https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/
A month later, many places are still locked down. Suicides, drug use, and drinking are all way up, surgeries are postponed indefinitely, and the economy is fucked.