I bet the thinking was that those nursing homes have low level medical facilities, healthcare workers trained with old folks, and quarantine procedures already in place. If you are running out of capacity in your hospitals where is a better location you could you place older patients to free up space?
The hospitals that were not overrun in the first place wouldāve been a good start to put them. Same goes for the USNS Comfort which was not overrun. And they already had quarantine measures in place? The people were just throw on them without warning.
So what do you think the reason was for Cuomo to not utilize those resources? Obviously those options were presented.
He claimed they had vacancies, yet did not take into consideration how vulnerable they are. Nor does he care, tbh. Then weeks later, he back peddles and essentially lies about compelling nursing homes to accept them. He simply cannot accept responsibility for his disastrous decisions.
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Haha, I agree. Sheās definitely changed over time - thereās a huge difference between what she looked like several years ago and now. Money?
Anyway, now that Iām done being a creep, yeah sheāsā¦not the best.
Two tribes (one of which is mine, though I donāt live there) have checkpoints set up on roads. Theyāre not blocking anyone from entering, they just want to check your temp and ask a few questions.
Same as everyone else - my jobs at a bar and at a YMCA check EVERYONEās temp and will not allow them in if theyāre above a certain point. We had to call animal control to our house a couple days ago and before coming, they asked us questions over the phone to see if anyone was sick.
The tribes have good reasons too - large populations of sick and/or elderly people, multigenerational homes, lack of resources to basic necessities, nearest āgoodā hospital is 3 hours away, etc. If these guys got a few cases itād spread like wildfire, and theyāre not prepared for it.
Look at the Navajo Nation - more cases per capita than NYC. (I think - double check the CNN article if you question it.)
Anyway, her whole stance on this has been āWeāre Americans, we have freedoms, you guys should be able to continue living your normal lives, I donāt want to get the government involved in every aspect of your lives, SMALL GOVERNMENT FTW!!!ā
Then the second she gets some pushback from the tribes who are looking out for their own people, she calls the feds, the DOJ, and everyone else! No more big government, BUT Iām gonna call in the big guns the second these guys disagree with me.
Iām also disappointed but unsurprised in a lot of citizensā reactions. When it comes to something like this, people say āOh, theyāre citizens of South Dakota, USA, whatever. They gotta follow the rules too.ā But last year when we had record breaking snow fall into April, and historic flood levels, and people were stranded in their homes across the reservationsā thousands of square miles, the National Guard was sent to the ābigā cities who already had their own response teams and no aid was given to the tribes because theyāre āsovereign nations.ā
Which they are. Unless they want to check temperatures or protest pipelines. Then they better listen up.
I wasnāt anti-Noem when she was elected. Thought it was good of my state to be willing to elect a woman if she seemed ready for the job. But I havenāt seen any good decisions come from her, and sheās treated the indigenous population worse than ever.
Sorry! I get angry at this stuff. Can really get going.
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Yeah, it looks like that was definitely a big screwup on Cuomos part. Gotta realize we are judging this with the benefit of hindsight though. When this decision was made models and experts were predicting the sky was falling in NYC and all hospital beds and the USS Comfort would be filled to the brim. It looks like he was slow to react and change policy once those predictions failed to materialize though.
He says that he was just following the White Houseās and the CDCs guidance though. I wonder what the validity of that is?
No. It doesnāt stand to reason that. Case by case.
But Trump is responsible for the words that come out of his mouth and the mixed messages he sends in order to keep his base engaged and agitated.
I think the better question is what was the health departmentās rationale. I donāt think Cuomo makes policy decisions for the health department. He supported the policy but I donāt think he came up with it.
And Trump is DAMN good at keeping his base locked, loaded and ready to go.
Think about all of the not wearing of mask (even when companies have asked him to)ā¦or not wearing one at Press Meetings.
Do any of you think for one minute it is not meant as a big, āFu*ck You!ā to Liberals with the intention of firing up the base? (Sorry. This would fall under trying to read Trumpās mindā¦)
Eh, iām of the opinion that the buck stops at the top. If Cuomo knew about it or had a say in it, its ultimately his responsibility. Just like at any job, the boss is ultimately responsible to the client for any screwups his employee made.
But, for the same reason im hesitant to judge trump harshly on his administrations response, im hesitant to judge Cuomo too. Hindsight makes a WORLD of difference.
And yes, i am interested in the decision making rationale, no matter if it came from the health dept, or from Cuomos office, the CDC, or the white house.
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The problem with that thinking is that a governor or president canāt be expected to be experts on everything. If the health department decided it was the best course of action and Cuomo deferred to their expertise, that makes sense. Trump NOT deferring to the experts who are standing 2 feet from him during a press conference is nonsensical. Trump giving out potentially dangerous and definitely stupid advice rather than defer to experts is nonsensical. Yes, Cuomo still might bear some responsibility but that is not the same as calling him a murderer who deliberately allowed people to die like the right wing snowflakes are claiming.
āPresident Donald Trump announced that his administration is issuing guidance deeming places of worship āessentialā operations during the coronavirus pandemic, threatening to āoverrideā governors if their states did not follow the new federal recommendationsā.
Think this is not another big āFuāck You!ā to Liberals (since they are a bunch of Godless heathens who donāt go to Church) and is meant solely to stoke the base?
The man is goodā¦damn goodā¦
(DAMN! Iām doing that mind-reading again! Sorry!)
That, or those megachurch preachers who donate to Trump are afraid they wonāt be able to afford fuel for their private jets.
I donāt think the Catholic Church will base its decisions on Trump or 'Murica.
This is what happens when a TV character, Trump, crosses paths with reality. Itās all fun and games when itās liberal tears about a Wall that will never be built but when itā something real, like a virus, it becomes dangerous to have a buffoon in office.
More or less the point i was stumbling around trying to make.
Itās squarely a consequence of his declining numbers with religious voters. He has no authority to āoverrideā governors on this, but his baselings are clueless on that point.
Damn. Trump writes āfuckā like itās a contraction. What a buffoon.
Twitter has rules.
She must have learned well from History.
There is a lot of blood, lies, treachery and deceit in the history of the Great Plains and the Black Hills.
BILL GATES: I need a way to track everybody
ASSISTANT: Well thereās always cellphone data
BILL GATES: Hm. Maybe Iāll make a virus that requires a vaccine
ASSISTANT: Phones have GPS already
BILL GATES: And then we inject everyone with microchips
ASSISTANT: Ok but phones exist
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ROFL.
I wouldnāt trust any poll let alone a survey that says 40% of GOP voters are buying a conspiracy theory like that.