Also, another French king, Richard Coeur de Lion perished ignominiously, besieging a castle on some godforsaken island.
C’est une vraie tragedie, mourir comme-ca sur une ile brouillarde.
Anyone with any doubts that this Pandemic has been turned into a “Right/Left” Issue?
“First Sarah Palin, now Ted Cruz. Republican politicians are showing up at Salon à la Mode in Dallas, Texas, in solidarity with its owner, Shelley Luther”.
"Luther was jailed this week for refusing to keep her non-essential business closed during the lock down, but has since been released after backlash.
“While wearing a face mask, Senator Cruz got his hair cut Friday for the first time in three months, and he traveled all the way to Dallas for the occasion”.
Since I have an idea about the counter-argument coming; keep in mind that she was not arrested by Jack-booted Cuomo/Pelosi supporters; and Greg Abbott (the governor of Texas) is as Conservative as it gets.
Damn Liberal Commies…
It’s about the cult of martyrdom - comparing oneself to Rosa Parks, Civil Rights, Founding Fathers and keeping the delusional image of the persecuted underdog, despite holding the highest office in the land.
And populists across the globe are copying the seemingly bizarre concept where the actual government is astro turfing protests against the policies they themselves introduced - much like Trump, Bolsonaro in Brazil started organizing anti-lockdown protests against “opposition” local governors who surprise, surprise are Bolsonaro’s political opponents.
Sounds familiar?.
I’m sure you can make your case about talking heads on TV, politicians, journalists/activists, etc., but I’m not so sure I’d say that’s true among the people I’m connected with personally. To some degree, sure. People are of differing opinions about how deadly the virus will be, EVERYONE is terrified about the damage already done and when this ongoing train wreck we are watching in real time can end.
I don’t think my governor is very popular right now at all, which wasn’t true at the start of this whole thing. I thought she was being sensible at first too. The most recent poll I could find was a month ago when she was at 60 percent, which was way up from pre-pandemic numbers. My guess is well below 50 now, but that’s just a guess.
Clearly a lot of people, myself included, were perfectly willing to give our leaders the benefit of the doubt and a lot of leeway we wouldn’t otherwise. I don’t see that at partisan at all, but a sign of unity. In the beginning stages of this it seemed like nearly everyone I knew and every business around was on-board with the sudden shut-down sooner rather than later.
Another simple observation and pure anecdote is mask compliance. I’m seeing 1/4 compliance, at best, and it IS a requirement, per our governor. For what it’s worth, the hyper-woke liberal friends are the only ones writing facebook posts shaming businesses about this. I don’t know of any conservatives who see this as necessary, not locally anyway. The gas station I went to the other day had signs up to wear masks and nobody did, not even the people who worked there.
If I had to put words to the attitude as I can perceive it, the non-compliance with the mask is not so much partisan as an expected and very in-character response from Mainers. Imagine a really thick accent saying: “Fuck you and your fucking shut down. Take that mask and shove it up your ass!”.
I’m wearing a mask, and I’m generally quite conservative. My conservative aunt favors the strictest of measures, but she’s a wealthy retired anesthesiologist who is also very high risk. Her opinion is in line with most other doctors, not her normal voting patterns. My opinion on the virus and our response has been shaped by people like her and other expert-level friends and family, not by any media talking head or politician.
Will the people who get sour on the lockdown ramifications a month from now be seeing it as a “right/left” issue? I suppose you could call it that, if you want. Why not?
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This was done by the county government, not the state government.
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I’d say that’s about the same for my part of Kansas as well. I don’t think it’s a requirement here in Kansas, but I’m not sure. I know at least in my area of 12,000 if it is it hasn’t once been enforced. I’ve been near cops numerous times in emergency situations as I’m one of the few in our company in this area who goes out and cops have just recently had masks on themselves.
I have to wear my mask when I go into homes for my job so I’m pretty used to it now. I look forward to not having to wear it for my job. Other than that it’s no big deal I pop one on when grocery shopping or getting gas. It seems a really weird thing to take a stand on. It’s ridiculously cheap to get and/or make one. You don’t need one for most of the interactions people are doing now anyways if you don’t want to. It’s odd at first, but not physically uncomfortable or anything.
I guess I also don’t think throwing a seat belt on or underwear is a big deal either. I mean most rational people are aware we’re going through something that requires an adjustment in behavior. All signs point towards that adjustment being temporary. I don’t think as many Americans a year from now will be wearing masks as they are now but who knows.
I’m in charge of our office and most people are pretty comfortable sharing stuff with me. When the regional leadership team said we were going masks for a while a few texts came into our group. Most were about where to get masks or when the company could provide them. The other was people saying they had already made some masks and would share them with people.
I dunno to me it didn’t seem like the end of freedom. Just sounded like some adults saying alright we’ll be doing this for a bit so let’s solve the easy problem.
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It’s not. But I understand what twojarslave was saying, I think. In any case, the mask is the most obvious visual sign of the lockdown. Visually obvious signs are usually the first and most attractive targets for protest of any kind IMO.
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And this is precisely the problem why it will be so hard to overcome this event. At best, a mask is a mild inconvenience - they’re not expensive, and they’re annoying to wear, but not intolerable. And the science and logic say they can make a difference in preventing transmission.
Despite science and logic - better yet, in active defiance of science and logic - we see thousands (millions?) who refuse to wear them because it’s more important to provide a symbol of their own and, really, engage in virtue-signaling to their “tribe”. Thousands get sicker, but hey, you feel really cool about yourself.
My point? Sigh. I guess it’s this - we’re doomed and this Exhibit A why. 
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It doesn’t help that the actual President and Vice President refuse to wear masks even when in front of elderly veterans and in the motherfucking Mayo Clinic.
Trump probably thinks people should wear masks and take precautions so Coronavirus doesn’t spread to him. Not the idea that if you may have it you could protect other people.
All those anti-lockdown protesters are sure to lose it completely over this flagrant attempt to introduce tyrannical measures against their fellow Americans, albeit of slightly different skin color.
Any second now…Waiting…Still waiting.
Azar emphasized the need to keep the plants open, according to the three people on the call. He also theorized that workers were largely not becoming infected at the meatpacking plants, and were instead contracting the coronavirus from their communities.
Azar noted in particular that many meatpacking workers live in congregate housing, allowing that more testing at facilities would help but that the bigger issue was employees’ home environments. One possible solution was to send more law enforcement to those communities to better enforce social distancing rules, he added, according to two of the lawmakers on the call.
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Well, Pence at least did later say he should have worn a mask. Too little and too late, but it’s better than the POTUS who doesn’t believe in apologizing for anything.
Judging by the fact that White House personnel have it, probably correct
It’s damn sickening, @loppar.
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Wrong, @doogie…and this is exactly what @loppar pointed out.
The Lock-down orders came from Abbott …then when Conservatives turned against him because of this woman’s arrest (which by any stretch during even a Pandemic was a bit much); he then says (paraphrasing):
“…Well…Fauci made me do it…and I didn’t mean for it to be enforced…”
What I really fault the County for was being dumb enough to fall into the trap. She didn’t just open her shop…she gave the County the middle finger and a crotch-grab; and “spontaneously” (right…with a crowd present and a microphone in her hand…) ripped up her summons for all the World to see.
In order to “make an example” (I am guessing); the authorities pulled that 'ole Texas trigger, and ended up with shit on their face as Abbott threw the Local authorities under the bus.
And that my friends (as @loppar pointed out) is how modern “martyrs” are created.
(And in all fairness; Liberals do this kind of shit too…)
(Has she been on “FOX” yet?)
5,4,3,2, 1…
We have about 90% compliance in upstate NY. Im actually quite surprised. I don’t wear one and for the most part nobody bothers me about it. I think it’s because I’m in a more rural area.
But Tractor Supply gave me a hard time the other day. It was actually quite strange. When told I needed a mask i asked calmly and directly, " will you refuse me service if I don’t wear one? If so, I will leave." They wouldnt answer but kept trying to get me to wear a mask. Maybe they aren’t used to direct questions, idk. But i left to keep from causing drama. I actually feel bad for clerks trying to enforce this. Not in their job description.
One other thing about “Modern Martyrs”.
I think it was PowerPuff (I really miss her input here) who said that years ago; the State of Utah stopped charging and arresting people for Polygamy because 1) they always won the “religious freedom” argument and 2) there was always some “martyr” created as a result. So they changed their tactics which was two-fold:
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Ignore them for the most part, and
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charge them with Medicaid Fraud and child molestation and rape (which many were involved in).
The result? VOILA! No more Martyrs and wasted State funds on useless prosecutions.
A mysterious syndrome has killed three young children in New York and sickened 73 others, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said on Saturday, an alarming rise in a phenomenon that was first publicly identified earlier this week.
The syndrome, a toxic-shock inflammation that affects the skin, the eyes, blood vessels and the heart, can leave children seriously ill, with some patients requiring mechanical ventilation. Many of the symptoms bear some resemblance to a rare childhood illness called Kawasaki disease, which can lead to inflammation of the blood vessels, especially the coronary arteries.
“The illness has taken the lives of three young New Yorkers,” Mr. Cuomo said during his daily briefing in Manhattan. “This is new. This is developing.”
Until now, parents and public health experts had found some solace in the notion that the coronavirus and the disease it causes, Covid-19, largely spared children the worst effects of an illness that has claimed more than 21,000 lives in New York State alone. But any sense of relief was shattered this week when a 5-year-old in New York City died from the syndrome, which doctors described as a “pediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome.”
A handful of cases have been reported in other states, including Louisiana, Mississippi and California. At least 50 cases have been reported in European countries, including Britain, France, Switzerland, Spain and Italy.
Mr. Cuomo said that many of the children, some just toddlers, had not shown respiratory symptoms commonly associated with the coronavirus when they arrived at the hospital but that all of them had tested positive for Covid-19 or its antibodies.
“So it is still very much a situation that is developing, but it is a serious situation,” he added.
The state will be working with the New York Genome Center and Rockefeller University to determine what is causing the illness, which Mr. Cuomo described on Saturday as “truly disturbing.”
He did not elaborate on the deaths of the two additional children.
“We were laboring under the impression that young people were not affected by Covid-19, and that was actually good news,” Mr. Cuomo said. “We still have a lot to learn about this virus.”
Mr. Cuomo has asked parents to be vigilant in looking for symptoms such as prolonged fever, severe abdominal pain, change in skin color, racing heart and chest pain.
Before the announcement of the deaths attributed to the new illness, fewer than four children younger than 10 had died of the virus in New York, according to the most recent breakdown from the state. Mr. Cuomo said the state was working with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to determine whether the confounding illness had been affecting children infected with the virus before this week.
“It is very possible that this has been going on for several weeks and it hasn’t been diagnosed as related to Covid,” Mr. Cuomo said.
On Monday, the New York City Health Department issued a bulletin asking doctors to report any cases of the syndrome. At the time, the health authorities said they knew of 15 such cases, involving patients ages 2 to 15, who had been in intensive care units since April 17.
Earlier this week, one Long Island hospital, Cohen Children’s Medical Center, said it had treated 25 children with symptoms of the syndrome that ranged from reddened tongues to enlarged coronary arteries.
While some of the symptoms are similar to Kawasaki disease, including fever, abdominal pain and sometimes a raised rash, doctors who have treated hospitalized children in recent weeks said there appeared to be differences in how the coronavirus-related condition affects the heart.
Toxic shock is a rare complication of Kawasaki disease, but many of the children affected with the coronavirus-related syndrome were in shock with very low blood pressure and an impaired ability to circulate oxygen and nutrients to vital organs. Whereas Kawasaki disease can produce coronary aneurysms when left untreated, the new syndrome seems to mostly involve inflammation of coronary arteries and other blood vessels.
Doctors in New York have noted that cases of the new syndrome began to appear a month or so after a surge of Covid-19 in the region. That timing, experts say, suggests that the illness may be a post-infectious immune response to infection with the virus.
Treatments have included steroids, intravenous immunoglobulin, high-dose aspirin and antibiotics, as well as supportive oxygen through the nose, a mask or, in the most serious cases, a ventilator. Most children who are intubated can be removed from the ventilators within a few days, doctors said.
Although much about the illness remains unclear, experts believe children may be at greater risk for the syndrome because their immune systems are not fully developed. But there are no clues yet as to why some children get sick and not others. Many of the children have been previously healthy, and the syndrome does not appear to run in families.
Doctors have turned to genetic testing to see whether there is a predisposition or genetic reason one child falls ill even as siblings seem unscathed.
It was a Democratic county judge that had her arrested, using Democratic constables. It wasn’t the state police.
I suspected you are a member of Team No Mask. Not surprised; just disgusted by you, myself, and the rest of my family. Do you ever have to suppress a giggle when you walk by maskers?
Okay, so ignoring how funny the phrase “democratic constables” is to me for some reason, has anybody asked what the consequences of not arresting this woman would be?
I wouldn’t arrest her. Straight up, I think it’s ridiculous and I would refuse to be the one to do it for fear of the shitstorm that would follow.
But if she just says fuck it and opens up - whether or not it’s a reasonable thing to do - and there are no repercussions, literally everybody can open up and point a finger towards her case. It would henceforth be impossible to stop anyone from doing anything.
Shitty situation, and I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, but as long as the laws are in place, I don’t know that we can blame ‘democratic constables’ for arresting someone for breaking the law. The law just sucks ass right now.