Alright, let’s try this from another angle: What right/s is he violating?
He is violating other people’s right to not be exposed to a pathogen. He may or may not have it, I don’t see him claiming to have been tested. He seems to be under the false impression that if he is symptom free he is not a carrier. He is violating evertone else’s right to experience common courtesy as well.
Even if there are 100x more people that actually have it that would mean something like 80% of the total US population does not have it.
It has nothing at all to do with personal comfort.
Ah. I always forget about that one.
That’s why I’m all about on-the-spot executions when I see a kid snotting and sneezing in public.(/s)
I’m pretty sure we waived that right a long time ago on the evolutionary path.
I can’t wait for the ACLU to go after the DMV on this one. It’s about time, if you ask me.
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Me wearing a mask or not wearing a mask is personal comfort. Me crossing a sidewalk to maintain distance is personal comfort
I am not against this, little bags of infection that they are. The point is, the American point of view is “Me and my rights first”, and everyone else gets a backseat. It’s self-centred and obnoxious. And I am an American citizen - just to kill that argument up front.
Wear a mask all you want and cross sidewalks from oncoming people all you want. Continue your attempts at “flattening the curve.” All of the social distancing, locking down, stay-at-home, masks, gloves, etc. are just kicking the can down the road. “Flattening of the curve” has absolutely nothing to do with eliminating the virus. It was just a method to avoid overwhelming the hospitals, which they were not overwhelmed, might I add. We’re just avoiding the day that we have to deal with it. Staying inside for the 12-18 months until they may or may not develop a vaccine is not doable.
I am not surprised.
Neither one of these things are rights. It is illegal to intentionally infect a person with a disease in some places, but you do not have a codified right to not be exposed to a disease. You certainly do not have a right to “experience common courtesy”.
Are those good things we should try to do for each other, yes. “Rights”, no.
What are rights:
Right to assemble: Violated - In some states you can’t even have “group gatherings” in your own home.
Right to protest: Violated - deemed non-essential
Right to keep ad bear arms: Violated
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”: Violated
Plenty of others.
It’s a $5k fine for me.
Year in jail/$5k fine for me if I’m walking for anything that isn’t deemed essential.
People aren’t mad about wearing a mask because it’s uncomfortable. It’s just another thing people are being forced to do by the government(s) because they know best (lol). There will be long-term consequences.
What’s next? A rushed madatory vaccine? A certificate that says you’re coronavirus free / vaccinate / etc…?
Like I said before, let’s just abolish the 1st and make it illegal to assemble, illegal to open your mouth to speak in stores, illegal to protest.
This makes a lot of sense. You’re advocating that with a highly contagious disease that spread across the world at a high rate that we shouldn’t have taken any prevention measures? Changed zero behaviors and just let the thing run rampant? Overwhelm hospitals, (you’re full of shit if you think a lack of resources wouldn’t be a million times worse) have businesses shut down anyways due to fear and even more hospitalizations and drastically increase the deaths of disease not just related to Coronavirus?
I mean I can get on board with we should open soon or I shouldn’t have to wear a mask legally or any of that shit. Those arguments at least have a bit of teeth. This whole fuck it we shouldn’t have done anything and I’m not going to do anything myself attitude out of spite is crazy and childish.
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Exactly. Flattening the curve is the difference between having enough ventilators for those that need them and not having enough. Which is the difference between somebody living or dying strictly due to availability. If I was the guy needing a ventilator, I would not want to be dying because you carried this to people taking up the ventilators.
Herd immunity.
Ok. That makes sense. We should have infected everyone with a virus we know nothing about and hope the whole herd immunity thing works. Millions more may die in that scenario, millions of hospitalizations, whatever. Economy is fucked either way.
But hey you do your I’m not crossing the sidewalk, no mask for me, I’ll spit on people so we don’t kick the can down the road. I wonder what it’s like to give zero shits about anyone other than yourself? I bet it sucks but you can always play the rebel nah you’re all the weak ones card. It’s the internet.
Lol we have something new we know nothing about let’s just let it go and do what it wants based on a herd immunity idea that we have zero chance of knowing if it would be successful and if so at what cost?
Why don’t you look at the bigger picture?
I DO NOT think all these things should be legislated(and I’m not going to get into a debate about this either).
But the fact is:
Legislation is an inevitability. MORE will come. You’re seeing it happen in real time. Everywhere. All around the globe.
What do you do to avoid an inevitability?
Practice the necessary shit, i.e, all this social distancing stuff yourself as if the government never told you to.
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Those are not CONSTITUTIONAL rights in the United States. That does not mean that they are not rights and reasonable expectations.
Is it okay to impose a fine or jail time for being outside? No, I don’t think so. I am with you on that one, and I am actually a huge proponent of rights, especially some of the ones currently being trampled. Wearing a mask doesn’t fall into that category, and is the stupidest one to rebel against.
I don’t trust any government, so don’t think for a second I am pro-Big Brother.
This already exists in other places for Yellow Fever. You can’t get into Costa Rica fom Panama without both of those. Would it be a leap for that to exist for other things in other places? Nope. Is it okay? Not in my book. But I’ll gladly flatten the curve until everyone has had Covid.
You think you are experiencing an oppressive overreach. Relatively speaking you are - relative to normal life in the US if you’re white. I am currently in Nicaragua where I do volunteer work. There are officially 9 cases here, no restrictions whatsoever, and anyone that wants is welcome to enter and travel the country. Here’s the catch. The 9 positives are “Only people who had travelled abroad and contracted it there”. Except the Minitry of Health controls ALL of the test kits and their access, and to qualify to be tested you had to have been out of the country recently as well as present symptoms. Having all of the symptoms but not having travelled means a diagnosis of “Pneumonia”. 26000 cases of pneumonia in the local populace in the last month. Nicaragua has less people than New York City. I’ll take Scial Distancing and masks, thanks just the same. This countries ventilators could all be put in the trunk of a car with room to spare.
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Wouldn’t do that. I believe you’d be charged with domestic terrorism.
Coughing is okay, though. If you’re a police officer:
Doesn’t matter. He doesn’t plan on following laws anyways.
They aren’t rights, period. Only one of them is a reasonable expectation, imo.
So you want us to pretend our IQs are as low as yours?
OK doc.
Neither are you.