Assuming the two guys in their late 70s and the fat guy in his early 70s who go to mass gatherings and shake hundreds of random people’s hands make it to the election…
I am trademarking “just-right-reacting”.
Seeing as Justin Trudeau and his wife are in “self-isolation” and his wife is sick, the odds aren’t looking too good.
I would say no chance of traditional campaign rallies for quite a while so I don’t think that will be an issue. Of course either could die because both are old and the other is obese and doesn’t work out because he thinks you have a set number or heartbeats.
It’s a long ways until November to even wonder about canceling an election. If we’re at November and we still can’t be around people to vote we’ll have been fucked for so long we won’t give a shit about an election.
In italy 200 people died of it in the last 24 hours, and the day before that nearly 200 as well, 400 deaths in 2 days, and a rise of 3000 infected in those past 48 hours as well
In the netherlands it has risen from 20 infected to 614 in one week.
It is more serious than people think.
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@samul - Are all the stores shut down in Italy? Can you still buy food or are there shortages? Right now it looks like they are starting to shut things down over here, schools were going to be closed next week for March break but now they say they will be closed for at least 2 weeks after that.
Yes, they are still closed. Actually, last night the government announced that ALL businesses except pharmacies, grocery stores, and takeaway-only restaurants must stay closed too. Until yesterday, the bans weren’t as strict. For example, barber shops and clothes store could stay open until yesterday, now they can’t.
However there is no food shortage and all first necessity items are available. There have been repeated announcements inviting people to not start panic shopping because we are nowhere near a food shortage and goods are still traveling regularly from country to country.
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OK, good, I was thinking of buying a bunch of meat and another 20lb bag of rice but I guess that isn’t necessary.
You can still leave your house to buy food no problem?
Looks like I’m gonna be doing calisthenics workouts at the park for a bit now that my gym has shut its doors. Thank goodness daylight savings time hit so I have a few hours of daylight after work to bike over.
Could be worse.
Just gonna do sprint circuits on my SS at the local trails for leg day. Need to get bike muscles working again as it slowly transitions from ski to bike season. Spring is a great time to be outdoors in the PNW :).
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the only valid reason for doing that i can see is if you’re going to decide to not go out at all for the next weeks, so maybe stocking up is a good idea. but as of now, there doesn’t seem to be a possibility of running out of goods.
short answer is absolutely yes.
longish answer:
first a premise. the way burocracy works in italy is: basically, for most things, a system called self-certification is employed. you have papers that you fill up for most things (taxes, job applications, health, so on and so forth) in which you make statements.
that’s probably used around the world, but here it makes up the majority of how most burocratic procedures are followed. there’s the “false testimony” felony if you declare false things on those certificates, but for the most part procedures that require data about you to be checked are delegated to you.
for example, when last year i did an internship at an IT company, i was required to fill out a certificate in which i stated that i had no pending charges and my criminal record was clean. i imagine that, in other countries, it works the other way, that is companies can get that information by other means, but here it’s like this. you sign off a paper that says something, if they happen to check the veracity of that information and they find out you lied, you go to jail.
end of premise.
since the day the government announced these new measures, a self-certification paper has been released. if you are stopped by the police, you are required to show them that paper in which you claim that you are outside due to one of the following:
(i) you’re going to work
(ii) it’s out of necessity (very vague)
(iii) you are traveling to go back home
case (ii) allows all things that include buying the groceries or medicines, or assisting an old relative at their place.
HOWEVER, and i can’t help but think this contradiction is silly, going out per se isn’t prohibited!
for example, the government uploaded a FAQ page online, and i’m quoting one of the points
can i exercise outside?
yes, going outdoors to do physical activity is allowed, as long as you are doing it alone
so you are allowed to go outside, BUT you have to provide a certificate in which you state there’s a critical reason you’re doing it, YET exercising is certainly not “critical” in that sense, but they explicitly allow it!
the point is that you must avoid close contact with other people. the air is not poisonous, so there is no damage in you going out for a walk. which is exactly what i’m doing every evening at around 10pm: i go out for a 40-minute walk. i know that i’m doing no damage in doing so, as you really don’t see anyone around, but it’s interesting to think about what the police would have to say should they stop me…
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Ireland is about 4 weeks away from Italy, as is the U.K.
The markets are in total free fall right now, and I don’t know if there’s a bottom.
Deutsche bank’s chance of going bust has skyrocketed. If they go, this is hazard bedlam, folks. Too big to save, and notionally tied into to trillions of derivatives.
My gym has also closed, so fuck my life.
That’s funny because I just went to the store earlier since they had ground beef selling real cheap when I was there earlier in the day, I was thinking it wouldn’t be a bad idea to buy a few packages to stock up my freezer. All the ground beef is gone, most of the pasta is gone (I bought a few bags), powdered milk is sold out, and various other things are gone. I just bought pasta, dry beans, and a few cans of tuna and tomato paste which are all things I would normally buy, but it looks like panic shopping has started here already. The first case of coronavirus in Ottawa was only yesterday.
At least what you are saying gives hope that this won’t be too bad.
That’s interesting, I never heard of that. Over here there is nothing of that sort.
Hey, remember the discussion about masks? Have you seen anyone wearing a mask? I have seen maybe 3 or 4 people, all Asian, wearing them in the last couple weeks but that is it. How is it that there are none left to buy but nobody is wearing them?
Totally. I’d say at least 1 in 3 people now wears a mask. While I was out for my evening walk earlier, I saw a bus drive by. It wasn’t full by any means, there might have been around 6-10 people, but literally everyone was wearing a mask, driver included.
That’s funny too because the government, in one of their recent statements, still advised against wearing one “unless you already have symptoms.”
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Over here from what I hear there are none left for sale anywhere, maybe online at an exorbitant rate. Healthcare facilities are all stocked up, but that’s it. I actually heard that an Asian lady wearing a white lab coat went into one of the hospitals and stole a whole bunch of masks that they had available.
That’s crazy.
As far as “fun” stories go, apparently the other day they arrested a nurse that had caught the virus and was just casually going around buying the groceries. He’s now being tried for “involuntary epidemy” and risks up to 13 (I think) years.
The “voluntary” version of the crime equals lifetime imprisonment here, so he’s still in a relatively good spot for being tried for the involuntary one.
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You mean the places we didn’t ban travel from? Fucking zero clue why we’re restricting travel to Europe except those two places. Either travel from Europe’s bad or it isn’t. How does he miss layups so consistently?
I mean we should be used to Trump putting zero thought into ideas but still.
I heard of that a few hours ago. Yeah, it truly doesn’t make sense…
I don’t know how Germany works, but here in the US the Fed/Treasury would basically start printing money and “loaning” it to them.
Especially since their crisis is due to a force majeure, and not recklessness (an assumption to be sure) on the bank’s part.
Would that really fix the problem?
It worked in the financial crisis of 2008. (add: and 2008 was mostly due to fiscal recklessness)
If the business is structurally sound, liquidity issues are what kills.
If they found a solution to HIV, they’ll find a solution to this. And from @Aragorn’s post above: