I hope the writer will bear in mind that the original concerns with respect to steriods may have been based in truth, but that the world knows a lot more about steroids now. The knowledge is there to choose appropriate ones or to simply ameliorate any issues present.
I am amazed that young men and women are gladly sent off to risk their lives and die in combat, but that these same people are not able to choose to make an informed decision concerning their own physical health and well being. The same is true for police, firefighters or anyone else putting their lives on the line on a daily basis.
Instead, with the enforced dearth of real information, they are dabbling in black arts, with misinformation and ignorance rampant. What happens under those circumstances? People walk right into the potential downsides because they don’t have the right information.
If you are going to write something, try to save some young ignorant soul from damaging himself due to lack of information. Otherwise identify what you are doing as fiction and don’t try to pass it off as useful information.
Yeowch! I take my eye off this board for a week and look what happens. (Thanks, Chris, for defending me & asking everyone to give me the benefit of the doubt.)
To address your concerns:
I realize that my very presence on this site is making you guys nervous. But as Chris & I discussed, there’s a reason why I chose to post here. I?m looking for people who?ve put some thought into the subject, and this site struck me as a place for the reasonably intelligent. At least, that was my initial impression.
I?m not looking to get anyone in trouble; I?m offering anonymity to whoever wants/needs it.
Look, whether you like it or not, cops who take steroids is a newsworthy subject. I?m hoping to bring some understanding to it by talking to the officers who are doing it ? to put a human face on it, and not react in the knee-jerk, finger-wagging way you all seem to expect. But in order for me to do that, I need you people to tell me what the deal is.
I thank those of you who have responded to me, and look forward to hearing from more of you. The rest of you can go back to bashing me.
Realy, a positive expository article could help. God knows that there is enough propaganda being churned out by other sources. Thats the whole problem. The arguement for or against is completely one sided against.
Maybe it would go over better if it was made clear that the officers were civic minded, well tempered, and used roids to enhance their on the job performance.
Otherwise people might start to imagine flesh and blood Robo-Cops.
How about the guy that wrote the Streetbull Training series? He didn’t say that he used roids, but he may have some leads, and he wasn’t from the U.S.
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Yeowch! I take my eye off this board for a week and look what happens. (Thanks, Chris, for defending me & asking everyone to give me the benefit of the doubt.)
To address your concerns:
I realize that my very presence on this site is making you guys nervous. But as Chris & I discussed, there’s a reason why I chose to post here. I?m looking for people who?ve put some thought into the subject, and this site struck me as a place for the reasonably intelligent. At least, that was my initial impression.
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You’re not making me nervous. In fact pull up a chair, grab a protein shake, and hang out a little longer. The majority of us on T-Nation are drug-free. All are welcome to peruse this site, but being that it’s been a week since you last visited, I highly doubt you understand the culture or mindset of T-Nation fans. If you wanna talk to those on the INSIDE, you gotta quit being on the OUTSIDE. I think it’d put your interviewees at ease if they knew you came from a fitness oriented background and had experience about training/nutrition and the science of physique enhancement.
Also, I personally found it kinda smug how you perceived that the T-Nation site consisted of reasoinably intelligent fans, on your INITIAL IMPRESSION. Proves you’re an OUTSIDER. If you really understood the T-Nation culture, you’d be far beyond initial impressions. That leads me to believe you don’t really care about getting to the full truth, you just want a hot story.
I don’t see this as anything positive coming out of this article. But if Men’s Health is looking to write about it then it’s probably being researched by other publications as well and it would get published one way or the other.
The Author might have good or bad intentions, for that I’m not quite clear.
But when a Mag in major circulation like Men’s Health has an expose’ on Cops and Juice, the public will have an initial reaction that may be negative. Agencies all over the nation might get strong-armed into developing a testing policy and plan much like baseball due to this one article starting a shitstorm.
Public opinion of Law Enforcement is suspect at best as it is. We don’t need John Q public lobbying their congressmen to do big inquiries on our guys who are out there to protect us and get the bad guys off the streets.
I think there would be an even greater outrage from the un-educated on this matter more than there was for baseball. Baseball is just a game, law enforcement is something dealt with real-time all the time.
I agree with what stellar said. Folks here on T-Nation are more than just reasonably intelligent - way more.
If you were to walk into your local gym and start talking loudly and openly about a desire to purchase AAS, what do you think the result would be? It certainly wouldn’t be folks lining up to sell you some sust250. No one would even acknowledge your presence.
Same thing with your situation: You can’t come in here and start a thread about wanting to do an AAS article, and expect folks to line up for an interview. Maybe spending some time building trust could be a good thing for you.
I mean it’s not like interviewing Bubba about the twister that tore up his tralier house.
guys, i think some of you are missing the point with Sabrina’s article. she wants a perspective from the officers (and realistically, those of you who aren’t cops won’t understand the pressure anyway), and is looking for our honest opinions.
she can do one of two things: write a biased article with no leads which will make both steroid users and cops look like jerks, or she can get the credible infomation she asked for, and write a thorough and well researched article which explains the intended point of veiw. it’s your guy’s choice-either contribute nothing, and let misinformation run free, or help her out and explain your point of veiw.
personally, i already PM’d her and explained my side.
[quote] Dr. Howard says that in his 25 years of treating steroid users, he’s seen only one or two instances of 'roid rage, but that even so, “it’s impressive when it does happen, because they can really cause some mischief. One case of 'roid rage in a police officer is enough to merit concern.”
Penn State’s Yesalis, however, scoffs that 'roid rage is so uncommon it’s barely an issue. “I’ll show you as much alcohol-induced rage in a football weekend in a college town!” he says. “I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but I’m more concerned about, say, alcoholic cops. Or cops abusing street drugs.” Indeed, as far as anyone can tell, there is no record of steroids playing a role in a police-brutality case?although, as experts point out, that could be attributable to a lack of widespread testing. [/quote]
She quotes two experts basically saying that roid rage is a myth, one guy who theorizes on some kind of jekyll and hyde deal, and then concludes.
Overall, not as negative as it couldve been. But I would’ve liked to have seen a bit more as a positive stance. Oh, and I did a double take when the “officer jimmy” said “I knew no one was going to mess with me. And if they did, I knew I could take 'em,”
dude, wtf, you’re 5’6!! and 185!! get over yourself you joke
Not bad, realy. I can understand the officers point of view with regard to conflict.
I’m realy not that big, but the last time I had an incident with the police, the were prety damned cautious and alarmed, with good reason.
They came in to a situation of one pissed off dude, already wound up and agressive, and sporting a prety decent build. I actualy weighed less than any of the cops, but they weren’t in very good shape. The first responding officer wouldn’t even approach until three others arrived.
They didn’t want to get hurt.
It ended prety well, with appologies on both sides being made and accepted, and one officer explained this piont of view to me, and asked if I was using anything. We also exchanged some tips on lifting and strength training.
So, It may be from the wrong side, but I can understand why some of these guys may want to gain an advantage using by roids.
Its prety simple- They don’t want to get hurt.
THis was a worthless article. With a glimpse of common sense thrown in at the very. End cops do drugs of all sorts all the time, and lots of them drink. QUite a few of them drink ALOT. As for “doing steroids” to keep your job as a cop. BULLSHIT. Cops do steroids the same reason other people do steroids to make them bigger, stronger and faster. That’s it and it doesn’t harm anyone.
That article and other like serve no purpose whatsoever. In fact I can’t believe I actually just read the whole thing. BTW, the only thing I did get from this article is a reinforcement of something I already had already known. Just like any other group of people, some cops are really fucking stupid.
I don’t use, however I know guys on my dept. that do. Also I am a subscriber to Men’s Health. It seems to me that they recently had a similiar article (last fall). It was between articles honoring the Firefighters, MIlitary, and Paramedics. In know way am I taking away from the jobs that they do, but why the praise for them, and the bad publicity for us.
Every walk of life uses steriods. In my town, the Police Dept. is approximately the same size as the firemen. However I know more firefighters on the juice than Police officers. Remember those guys carry heavy equipment up and down stairs, and have to be able to go for a long time.
All steroids do for Cops is make them look big. However it is more important for Police Officers to have the ability to handle short bouts of stress. Fights, raised adrenilian, so forth. And flexibility helps.
A great example of why I wipe my ass with Men’s Health. Screw cops on juice. What we really need to open peoples eyes and say “shit, maybe steroids aren’t the devil” is a large number of pro athletes admit and defend their usage. I think uneducated America would shit their pants to see their be-loved sports heros are using to keep their fat lazy asses entertained.
I had to laugh when the article refered to Officer Jimmy’s “hulking 185 pounds”. Now 185 is a good size for a guy 5’6", but hulking??? Dunno about that…