I’m just guessing that there is more to this story and they have all been looking for an opportunity to get the guy booted and this was their best chance.
DB
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
I have seen officers do things I don’t agree with, but to make a blanket statement that all or most do ANYTHING is just foolish.
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LMAO I see it every day during lunch. A CLEARLY LABLED NO PARKING zone with 2-3 cop cars in it. Why, because they’re eating lunch. I see cops on a daily basis making illegal u-turns and running red lights. If all of these were calls I live in the most crime riddled city in America.
And the reason that Pookie stated is why people wont say anyting.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
PGA wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
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Malo, you cannot sit there and tell us that almost every cop does not go over the speed limit, run red lights, etc just because they can. I see it on a daily basis and so do most Americans.
That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. Do you think cops are out there just joyriding? There is a job to do. You must have had a few bad experiences with cops but come on, you have to be kidding.
I don’t know what you’re seeing, but do you really speak for most Americans?
I have seen officers do things I don’t agree with, but to make a blanket statement that all or most do ANYTHING is just foolish.
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We all have jobs to do but that does not mean we all can get away with driving far above the posted speed limit.
[quote]PGA wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
I have seen officers do things I don’t agree with, but to make a blanket statement that all or most do ANYTHING is just foolish.
LMAO I see it every day during lunch. A CLEARLY LABLED NO PARKING zone with 2-3 cop cars in it. Why, because they’re eating lunch. I see cops on a daily basis making illegal u-turns and running red lights. If all of these were calls I live in the most crime riddled city in America.
And the reason that Pookie stated is why people wont say anyting.[/quote]
I agree…I live in Orlando, Fl…not too far from Winter Haven. The cops always put on the lights, go through red lights and then put them off. Its definitely apparent that they are above the law, no doubt.
I have more of an issue with the cops that use their authority in other ways that they shouldnt, ie fucking with people just to get kicks, etc (Im speaking from experience).
But I also feel it should be a requirement to be in shape if you are a cop. As some of the others said, they have guns and are suppposed to protect citizens, etc. A fat ass cop wouldnt be able to catch a criminal on foot, so in my opinion would be quicker to pull a gun.
Shit, if I was a cop, I would be bulk up to around 250 and be ripped…not to fuck with people but to protect myself, as well as others in need. Appearance is everything, and a fat, sloppy cop is equivalent to having an anorexic cook.
[quote]PGA wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
I have seen officers do things I don’t agree with, but to make a blanket statement that all or most do ANYTHING is just foolish.
LMAO I see it every day during lunch. A CLEARLY LABLED NO PARKING zone with 2-3 cop cars in it. Why, because they’re eating lunch. I see cops on a daily basis making illegal u-turns and running red lights. If all of these were calls I live in the most crime riddled city in America.
And the reason that Pookie stated is why people wont say anyting.[/quote]
What do you think they are doing? Just blatantly breaking the law in broad daylight to show everyone up?
I’m not saying that cops are super citizens and don’t do things wrong, but maybe, just maybe, you are only seeing the bad because that’s all you are looking for. Just to let you know, cops do great things everyday.
When I was in the ticket writing phase of my LE career, I didn’t write citations for things I would do in my POV. I gave a 10 mph grace for speeding. I might pull someone over for speeding but as PC for a possible DUI as an example. Man, there are so many variables to consider that you can’t lump all actions to every officer on every “bad” incident you have witnessed.
There are hundreds of thousands of LE officers in the US. To think they are all good and law abiding is a pipe dream. Unlike you, I tend to focus my attention on the positive things they do. When the bad ones fuck up, then they deserve the punishment.
If regular citizens aren’t willing to help clean up bad cops, then they really have nothing to complain about. Using, fear of retribution,as an excuse not to do anything is what cowards say. I personally know several officers who have put their jobs and careers on the line to report corruption and malfeasance to superiors, management and all the way up to congress.
If you are a model citizen who doesn’t break the law then what the hell do you have to worry about? You and Zap don’t live in a glass houses do you?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
PGA wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Wrote stuff…
Malo, you cannot sit there and tell us that almost every cop does not go over the speed limit, run red lights, etc just because they can. I see it on a daily basis and so do most Americans.
That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. Do you think cops are out there just joyriding? There is a job to do. You must have had a few bad experiences with cops but come on, you have to be kidding.
I don’t know what you’re seeing, but do you really speak for most Americans?
I have seen officers do things I don’t agree with, but to make a blanket statement that all or most do ANYTHING is just foolish.
We all have jobs to do but that does not mean we all can get away with driving far above the posted speed limit.[/quote]
Well if your job includes responding to vehicle accidents, burglaries, assaults or saving peoples lives, I promise to forgive you, without judgement, for excessive speed and other minor vehicle violations.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
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You’re a cop trying to defend cops.
You’re right, I’m making this all up. I dont see cops double parking every day. I never see cops running red light just because they dont want to wait at the light anymore.
Please…maybe just maybe you’re guilty of blindly defending your fellow brethren no matter what.
I dont break the law and I have nothing to fear with those regards but that hasnt and will not stop a cop from harassing me, which has been done quite a few times. I’ve been stopped a few times and you know what, I havent gotten a ticket because I DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG yet…sigh…they stopped me.
I had 3 cops cars, 6 cops pull me over one time because I did a “rolling stop at a stop sign.” Guess what, no ticket. They ran my license, plate, reg, everything, found nothing, of course. Then it was “you have a good day sir.” No sorry or anything. They had me on the street out of my car leaning against the trunk while the flashlight my car and ask me to open my trunk. It was a nice semi-busy street so the whole town could pass by and rubber neck at me wondering what dirty and dastardly deed I must have done. I’m sure when they found out I didnt do anything they would have been dissapointed.
I am frightend to think what would have happend if I was black…
Requirements to become and remain a police officer are too low. A college education should be required and the academy should be at least equal to that of any state trooper class. Probabtion periods should be doubled.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
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Well if your job includes responding to vehicle accidents, burglaries, assaults or saving peoples lives, I promise to forgive you, without judgement, for excessive speed and other minor vehicle violations.
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As long as they are running lights and sirens I say god bless them and let them drive as fast as they can.
When they are just going too fast to get to the next speed trap, take lunch or end the shift I think it is blatant hypocrisy.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Would a memo telling all of the cops where to get free fried chicken wings have gotten a promotion?
Actually, pretty much every restaurant that knows you’re a cop will give you free food. At least that was my experience the few times I went out with one of my friend who’s a cop. We’d pig out, get great service and never see a bill.
When I worked at a convenience store, we didn’t charge cops for coffee or pastries.
In return, they were damn quick in getting there when we called 911.
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Not true. Many departments have policies against gifts. (state of kansas being one).
And, a good officer will normally leave a tip roughly equivalent to the cost of the food if they are allowed to, and do take free food.
PGA- not all policemen and women are bad, don’t think that way. Some are, some aren’t. There are an awful lot of people that would abuse power if they were given it. Cops have power to abuse, whereas most citizens don’t. If you took a random sampling of citizens, gave them a badge, they would probably abuse power at about the same rate as police.
[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
Requirements to become and remain a police officer are too low. A college education should be required and the academy should be at least equal to that of any state trooper class. Probabtion periods should be doubled.[/quote]
NO, no, NOOO. Some of the best police officers have NEVER been inside a college. What you learn in a college criminal justice curriculum has very very very little to do with actually being a police officer.
Secondly. State troopers are NOT the gold standard of law enoforcement. In kansas, the state troopers academy is looked down upon. They learn less then local police learn. And all academies in kansas must be approved by the kansas law enforcement training commission.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
PGA- not all policemen and women are bad, don’t think that way. Some are, some aren’t. There are an awful lot of people that would abuse power if they were given it. Cops have power to abuse, whereas most citizens don’t. If you took a random sampling of citizens, gave them a badge, they would probably abuse power at about the same rate as police.[/quote]
No way do I think all cops are bad. There are some very good ones and a lot I respect. One very good cop is a close friend of mine. I wish the majority was like him. He’s in great shape, doesnt like corruption, pays for his 1/2 price for food by making up the other 1/2 as the tip to the server.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
Requirements to become and remain a police officer are too low. A college education should be required and the academy should be at least equal to that of any state trooper class. Probabtion periods should be doubled.
NO, no, NOOO. Some of the best police officers have NEVER been inside a college. What you learn in a college criminal justice curriculum has very very very little to do with actually being a police officer.
Secondly. State troopers are NOT the gold standard of law enoforcement. In kansas, the state troopers academy is looked down upon. They learn less then local police learn. And all academies in kansas must be approved by the kansas law enforcement training commission.[/quote]
Barn, Barn, Barn,
After college, many, many years ago, I went to work for the S.O. and then the local police department. I had family in different levels of law enforcement and gave it a try. I was young and didn’t really need a lot of money at the time and actually enjoyed the work for a few years. I went through the academy and still have friends from that time who are still in the field.
I moved on due primarily to financial reasons and it worked out for me.
I don’t know anything about Kansas but I know a great deal about law enforcement, what it takes and what motivates a lot of the cops on the street. I didn’t say that troopers were the gold standard. The trooper classes are normally much longer than regular police academy classes and are much tougher to get into and get through.
All police, troopers included, should be held to a much higher standard than they currently are. The problem is that most of the time there is no one to police the police.
The Chief of Police I worked for started a program that included recording the activities of all cruisers. The device mounted in trunk and was loaded at the beginning of each shift to record cruiser speed, stops, amount of time idle, and speed while using lights etc… This was turned in at the end of each shift with the other paperwork. The program didn’t last long since about 1/2 of the cops wanted to lateral transfer to another department in the area.
i agree there are many out of shape cops. The problem is they are so short handed out there, even a fat one can take a report call or go to a loud music call. Some are pinnacles of fitness and take pride in their uniforms, polish their boots, go to the gym, train some ground fighting, and wear shirt stays with their uniforms to look professional at all times. Unfortunatly, people get out of the academy and feel they do not have to stay in shape anymore until they have a fucking heart attack after chasing someone.
In a perfect world all cops would work out and get paid to do it like firemen, unfortunately the unions and older fat guys that have been on forever would not favor it. In the end it comes down to personal pride if you want to be the fat ass losing foot pursuits, representing the community you serve poorly or do you want to do what you signed up for and catch bad guys without puking afterward.
Some of us have that mentality and some of us dont. The ones that do will live to enjoy retirement, thats what we all strive for right? Work hard for 25 years and live someplace in the tropics with bikini women on your balcony. They dont like fat guys.
[quote] PGA wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
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You’re a cop trying to defend cops.[/quote]
I don’t and haven’t defended bad actions of officers. I was only trying to point out that there are many more good officers doing good things than there are bad officers doing bad things. You are just keying onto the bad ones because of your bad experiences.
Believe me, I truly believe that you are telling the truth. But that’s what you see. How do you know they aren’t going to a call? There are designated officers who do nothing but take calls for 8-10 hours, non stop. Sure some might be just running the light to run it. But how can you say all? Are you following them? Are you advising your mayor of the rampant law breaking that your police officers are doing? It can be done anonymously.
OK, a little sarcasm. No wonder you didn’t want to clarify in the other thread. I think I pointed out very clearly of the internal investigations that occur when violations occur. I don’t blindly defend ANY wrong action. Adults who make adult decisions will receive adult adjudication and get no sympathy from me.
I have no delusions that there are bad cops. Fortunately in the past year we have put three officers behind bars for illegal activity. The investigatoins were initiated by reports from other officers.
Does your cop friend work for the same department as the officers who harassed you? Report it to him. Let him report it to his superiors.
I know I’m not going to change your mind about anything and that’s fine. But have no second thoughts that all those shit bags cops will still put their lives on the line to save yours.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
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Well if your job includes responding to vehicle accidents, burglaries, assaults or saving peoples lives, I promise to forgive you, without judgement, for excessive speed and other minor vehicle violations.[/quote]
It’s not a violation of policy or law for emergency vehicles to exceed speed limits or run red lights while responding to incidents. Even with their lights and sirens off.
I guess you do need a good example of a silent response.
A report of an assault in progress.
The use of sirens and lights will scare the assaulter off long before the cop arrives. Bad guy gets away.
Hypocrisy? If they are writing tickets for civilians doing the same thing. I agree.
[quote]SAMUNLV wrote:
i agree there are many out of shape cops. The problem is they are so short handed out there, even a fat one can take a report call or go to a loud music call. Some are pinnacles of fitness and take pride in their uniforms, polish their boots, go to the gym, train some ground fighting, and wear shirt stays with their uniforms to look professional at all times. Unfortunatly, people get out of the academy and feel they do not have to stay in shape anymore until they have a fucking heart attack after chasing someone.
In a perfect world all cops would work out and get paid to do it like firemen, unfortunately the unions and older fat guys that have been on forever would not favor it. In the end it comes down to personal pride if you want to be the fat ass losing foot pursuits, representing the community you serve poorly or do you want to do what you signed up for and catch bad guys without puking afterward.
Some of us have that mentality and some of us dont. The ones that do will live to enjoy retirement, thats what we all strive for right? Work hard for 25 years and live someplace in the tropics with bikini women on your balcony. They dont like fat guys.[/quote]
Good post. In my agency Management is allowed to workout for 3 hours per week on duty. Troops aren’t. Union is worried that management will institute physical fitness requirements. God forbid!
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
You don’t like cops…unless they are filing your theft reports or protecting your mother from a mugger or rendering first aid to your kids.
You fucking idiot.
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Man, pay a visit to Suffolk County, Long Island and then get back to me. You find cops writing tickets, sleeping in the Dunkin Donuts parking lot, or drinking at my parties! They’re useless. Never done a damn thing for me or anyone I know.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
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Well if your job includes responding to vehicle accidents, burglaries, assaults or saving peoples lives, I promise to forgive you, without judgement, for excessive speed and other minor vehicle violations.
As long as they are running lights and sirens I say god bless them and let them drive as fast as they can.
It’s not a violation of policy or law for emergency vehicles to exceed speed limits or run red lights while responding to incidents. Even with their lights and sirens off.
I guess you do need a good example of a silent response.
A report of an assault in progress.
The use of sirens and lights will scare the assaulter off long before the cop arrives. Bad guy gets away.
When they are just going too fast to get to the next speed trap, take lunch or end the shift I think it is blatant hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy? If they are writing tickets for civilians doing the same thing. I agree.
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Thatis exactly what they do. I know of multiple spots to where they speed only to back up in their hiding spots and run radar to catch speeders.
There is a spot on my commute they do this. I see it at least once a week.
And they often speed by and keep on going. I doubt they are responding to a call without lights and sirens that often.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
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Well if your job includes responding to vehicle accidents, burglaries, assaults or saving peoples lives, I promise to forgive you, without judgement, for excessive speed and other minor vehicle violations.
As long as they are running lights and sirens I say god bless them and let them drive as fast as they can.
It’s not a violation of policy or law for emergency vehicles to exceed speed limits or run red lights while responding to incidents. Even with their lights and sirens off.
I guess you do need a good example of a silent response.
A report of an assault in progress.
The use of sirens and lights will scare the assaulter off long before the cop arrives. Bad guy gets away.
When they are just going too fast to get to the next speed trap, take lunch or end the shift I think it is blatant hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy? If they are writing tickets for civilians doing the same thing. I agree.
Thatis exactly what they do. I know of multiple spots to where they speed only to back up in their hiding spots and run radar to catch speeders.
There is a spot on my commute they do this. I see it at least once a week.
And they often speed by and keep on going. I doubt they are responding to a call without lights and sirens that often.[/quote]
Why would anyone pretend that cops don’t do this?
What next, is he about to justify the intense need to hand out so many speeding tickets? No one here is falling for cops ALWAYS following the law down to the last letter. We know they are human also so no one is even getting bent out of shape for minor human faults. But blatant speeding just to jump in a hiding place to hand out tickets are running red lights because the doughnut shop closes at 6 is pushing it.
Do we really want to get into profiling? Naaaaaa.