Cops At Their Finest

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would anyone pretend that cops don’t do this?

What next, is he about to justify the intense need to hand out so many speeding tickets? No one here is falling for cops ALWAYS following the law down to the last letter. We know they are human also so no one is even getting bent out of shape for minor human faults. But blatant speeding just to jump in a hiding place to hand out tickets are running red lights because the doughnut shop closes at 6 is pushing it.

Do we really want to get into profiling? Naaaaaa.[/quote]

I’m not sure if you are calling my number or not, but I agreed with Zap. I never denied or defended that some cops violate laws to get to their honey holes or to get donuts.

But in fact at least two on this thread have generalized ALL cops as rampant violators. That sir, is untrue and unfair to the majority of those who protect and serve while following policies and regulations.

I’ll get into profiling if you want. I won’t deny that happens either.

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Wrote stuuf…saving space [/quote]

I hope you’re not talking about me because there were a few times in here where i asid there were cops I respected.

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[quote]PGA wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Wrote stuff…

Malo, you cannot sit there and tell us that almost every cop does not go over the speed limit, run red lights, etc just because they can. I see it on a daily basis and so do most Americans.[/quote]

This was you wasn’t it? I’m glad you respect some cops. I respect most.

I’m sorry you have had bad experiences with some cops and that there are so many out there who don’t give a shit about their appearance or professionalism.

I can assure you that I have had probably hundreds more bad experiences with bad cops than you. But on the other hand I can honestly say that I have had thousands of good experiences that make up for it.

If it’s my fault that the thread took a turn, then I apologize.

I would love to see fitness programs instituted in at least my agency if not all of them.

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[quote]wfifer wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:

You don’t like cops…unless they are filing your theft reports or protecting your mother from a mugger or rendering first aid to your kids.

You fucking idiot.

Man, pay a visit to Suffolk County, Long Island and then get back to me. You find cops writing tickets, sleeping in the Dunkin Donuts parking lot, or drinking at my parties! They’re useless. Never done a damn thing for me or anyone I know. [/quote]

Suffolk county cops are also the highest paid or amongst the highest paid leo in the country. The waiting list to be a cop there is tremendous. Not sure if that correlates to what you said, but i find it interesting nonetheless.

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I read this article last night and it reminded me of a resource officer I had in high school. Despite he not being very bright and being armed, I felt safer with him there. You see, he was so fat that if there was a school shooting I am absolutely certain that about about 3 or 4 people could hide behind him and not get shot.

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That’s what makes it even more ridiculous. So maybe I’m biased, but you know where I’m coming from. My friend wants to be a Suffolk County cop, but he’s gotta start in the city or something I think. That’s some dangerous shit, and he’s a fatass too. I’ve tried to help him lose weight, and I know he has some vague desire to do it, but clearly something just hasn’t clicked for him.

One cop I know, he’s a great guy, fun as hell at a party, but he’s sitting pretty with that job of his. It’s such a sham, but I don’t necessarily blame the cops. The system sucks.

They also run a lot of those “buckle up, it’s the law” and “cops write tickets to save lives” ads around here, which doesn’t help.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Cops are given the ability to take a life and can basically break any minor rules set up for the rest of us and, unless it is a major offense, nothing will ever be said about it. I see cops speeding without their lights on daily yet I would get a ticket in the same circumstance.

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An officer has to use discretion if they should or shouldn’t turn on the lights and sirens. They can sometimes cause more harm with them on, i.e. people panic, draws attention, non emergency, etc.

I personally try to avoid using them as much as possible.

You’re also very inaccurate on nothing being said except if it’s a major offense. Things are said, all the time, every day. The media just doesn’t get a chance to plug it in your local news or paper, bigger fish to fry. You would be surprised how many people call up the dep. of professional standards on a daily basis in a big city.

FWIW, most departments offer an annual fitness evaluation/test for officers. Normally it consists of a uniform pin and certificate and some departments like Chicago offer a $250 bonus for people who pass (the p.o.w.e.r. test). I pass every year with flying colors :slight_smile:

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http://www.shyiam.com/archives/16

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[quote]t officer wrote:
FWIW, most departments offer an annual fitness evaluation/test for officers. Normally it consists of a uniform pin and certificate and some departments like Chicago offer a $250 bonus for people who pass (the p.o.w.e.r. test). I pass every year with flying colors :slight_smile:

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A pin, certificate and money to pass something they should? How about keeping your job? (not meaning you particularly) Thats sounds like a good deal. You fail, you’re fired.

Thats ridiculous.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
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Well if your job includes responding to vehicle accidents, burglaries, assaults or saving peoples lives, I promise to forgive you, without judgement, for excessive speed and other minor vehicle violations.

As long as they are running lights and sirens I say god bless them and let them drive as fast as they can.

When they are just going too fast to get to the next speed trap, take lunch or end the shift I think it is blatant hypocrisy.[/quote]

I have a funny NJ State Trooper story. Back when I was in the Reserves, I was on my way to drill. As it was early on a Sunday morning, there were very few cars out on I-287. All of a sudden, a NJ trooper goes flying by on my left. When I say flying, I mean hauling ass, like 110 in a 55 zone. Then, about two seconds later, another one zips by on my right at the same speed, give or take a couple mph. At this point, I’m thinking there must be something serious going on.

I pull off at the next exit, which was about 1 mile from where this took place. I make a right turn onto the road. Being the nice guy LT, I was going to stop at Dunkin Donuts and get a dozen for my team. I pull into the DD and lo and behold, I find the 2 troopers parked in the lot, right by the door.

At that point, I was psyched, because I knew that the donuts were fresh.

True story.

DB

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This “fat useless cop” thing sounds like it’s an American problem. I live in Southern Ontario (Canada for those of you who don’t know) and for the most part the police here are very professional and in shape. The constables here are tested annually from the day they are hired, until they reach the rank of Sergeant. They cannot be promoted unless they pass their physical.

It seems that some people on these boards have a problem with cops. I don’t know why. They’re putting it out on the line so that you can live better. I’ve found that most “tax paying” citizens don’t like the police because of speeding tickets.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
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Well if your job includes responding to vehicle accidents, burglaries, assaults or saving peoples lives, I promise to forgive you, without judgement, for excessive speed and other minor vehicle violations.

As long as they are running lights and sirens I say god bless them and let them drive as fast as they can.

When they are just going too fast to get to the next speed trap, take lunch or end the shift I think it is blatant hypocrisy.

I have a funny NJ State Trooper story. Back when I was in the Reserves, I was on my way to drill. As it was early on a Sunday morning, there were very few cars out on I-287. All of a sudden, a NJ trooper goes flying by on my left. When I say flying, I mean hauling ass, like 110 in a 55 zone. Then, about two seconds later, another one zips by on my right at the same speed, give or take a couple mph. At this point, I’m thinking there must be something serious going on.

I pull off at the next exit, which was about 1 mile from where this took place. I make a right turn onto the road. Being the nice guy LT, I was going to stop at Dunkin Donuts and get a dozen for my team. I pull into the DD and lo and behold, I find the 2 troopers parked in the lot, right by the door.

At that point, I was psyched, because I knew that the donuts were fresh.

True story.

DB[/quote]

They must have been racing to get to the last Bavarian Cream. Those things are like gold.

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[quote]NDM wrote:
This “fat useless cop” thing sounds like it’s an American problem. I live in Southern Ontario (Canada for those of you who don’t know) and for the most part the police here are very professional and in shape. The constables here are tested annually from the day they are hired, until they reach the rank of Sergeant. They cannot be promoted unless they pass their physical.

It seems that some people on these boards have a problem with cops. I don’t know why. They’re putting it out on the line so that you can live better. I’ve found that most “tax paying” citizens don’t like the police because of speeding tickets. [/quote]

The Police force in the US mirrors/resembles its citizens.

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
NDM wrote:
This “fat useless cop” thing sounds like it’s an American problem. I live in Southern Ontario (Canada for those of you who don’t know) and for the most part the police here are very professional and in shape. The constables here are tested annually from the day they are hired, until they reach the rank of Sergeant. They cannot be promoted unless they pass their physical.

It seems that some people on these boards have a problem with cops. I don’t know why. They’re putting it out on the line so that you can live better. I’ve found that most “tax paying” citizens don’t like the police because of speeding tickets.

The Police force in the US mirrors/resembles its citizens.

[/quote]

Ouch.

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[quote]NDM wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
NDM wrote:
This “fat useless cop” thing sounds like it’s an American problem. I live in Southern Ontario (Canada for those of you who don’t know) and for the most part the police here are very professional and in shape. The constables here are tested annually from the day they are hired, until they reach the rank of Sergeant. They cannot be promoted unless they pass their physical.

It seems that some people on these boards have a problem with cops. I don’t know why. They’re putting it out on the line so that you can live better. I’ve found that most “tax paying” citizens don’t like the police because of speeding tickets.

The Police force in the US mirrors/resembles its citizens.

Ouch. [/quote]

Theres nothing ouch about it.

Peels Principles of Policing states that the police are the public, and the public are the police. Public is fat, so are police.
(and yes, I understand that peel’s principles are a “theory” and terribly outdated)

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[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Theres nothing ouch about it.

Peels Principles of Policing states that the police are the public, and the public are the police. Public is fat, so are police.
(and yes, I understand that peel’s principles are a “theory” and terribly outdated)[/quote]

I think that’s where the “ouch” comes from. There’s not much that the group of posters here agrees on in general, but I think we’re all pretty united in being unhappy with the overall attitude toward physical health in North American society.

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[quote]Northcott wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
Theres nothing ouch about it.

Peels Principles of Policing states that the police are the public, and the public are the police. Public is fat, so are police.
(and yes, I understand that peel’s principles are a “theory” and terribly outdated)

I think that’s where the “ouch” comes from. There’s not much that the group of posters here agrees on in general, but I think we’re all pretty united in being unhappy with the overall attitude toward physical health in North American society.

[/quote]

Agreed.

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No one to police the police? Ask any cop and they will tell you just the opposite.

Our cars are equipped with GPS, we are videotaped and audiotaped on every stop and every call. We carry complaint forms with us wherever we go, comlaints can be made in any form including completely anonymous complaints and every one is investigated. We have forms that must be completed whenever we contact someone on a self-initiated activity to track racial profiling.

All of this is fine for the vast majority of police officers who follow the law and policies and procedures.

But please don’t be so ignorant as to make a statement that “there is no one to police the police.” We are probably the most policed job out there. Everything we do is scrutinized. And like I said this is fine with the vast majority of us. Our job is like any other, you are always going to have those that make you look bad.

As far as the fitness standards go, what you see is what you get. Anyone can apply to be a cop and due to lawsuits, again, just like in any other job, departments have been forced to lower their standards. For the most part police departments are just your average equal oportunity employer and are not held to much higher standards.

Is this right? No, but I don’t see anything changing in the near future. It is up to each individual officer to determine how they want to look and how fit the want to be.

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[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
NDM wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
NDM wrote:
This “fat useless cop” thing sounds like it’s an American problem. I live in Southern Ontario (Canada for those of you who don’t know) and for the most part the police here are very professional and in shape. The constables here are tested annually from the day they are hired, until they reach the rank of Sergeant. They cannot be promoted unless they pass their physical.

It seems that some people on these boards have a problem with cops. I don’t know why. They’re putting it out on the line so that you can live better. I’ve found that most “tax paying” citizens don’t like the police because of speeding tickets.

The Police force in the US mirrors/resembles its citizens.

Ouch.

Theres nothing ouch about it.

Peels Principles of Policing states that the police are the public, and the public are the police. Public is fat, so are police.
(and yes, I understand that peel’s principles are a “theory” and terribly outdated)[/quote]

Thank you Mr. Fife for that fine quote from Sir Robert Peel. I don’t think that was how Peel meant it, but definetely insightful.

[quote]jaj wrote:
No one to police the police? Ask any cop and they will tell you just the opposite.

Our cars are equipped with GPS, we are videotaped and audiotaped on every stop and every call. We carry complaint forms with us wherever we go, comlaints can be made in any form including completely anonymous complaints and every one is investigated. We have forms that must be completed whenever we contact someone on a self-initiated activity to track racial profiling.

All of this is fine for the vast majority of police officers who follow the law and policies and procedures.

But please don’t be so ignorant as to make a statement that “there is no one to police the police.” We are probably the most policed job out there. Everything we do is scrutinized. And like I said this is fine with the vast majority of us. Our job is like any other, you are always going to have those that make you look bad.[/quote]

Agreed. Imagine if you were working a job where ANYONE could complain about you, and the complaint would be taken seriously and investigated. Let’s not forget that people make shit up all the time. Most police departments also have a Standards branch, sort of like internal affairs. So not only do you have to answer to your own boss, you have to answer to a group of people that want to nail your nuts to the wall as a trophy.

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my tactical team commander forwarded this to me today under the subject heading “our world”. thought i would share it here.

Until technology enables me to handcuff from afar, I will need to arrest you face-to-face, man-to-man. This means that, when we fight, when I call upon those elements of the warrior within, I will be close enough to smell you, to touch you, to strike you, to cut you, to hear you, to plead with you, to wrestle with you, to shoot you, to handcuff you, to bleed on you and you on me, to tend to your wounds, to hear your last words. Our meeting may be brief, but I will have had a more intense contact with you, my unwanted adversary, than with most of my loved ones.