[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]im kenny wrote:
Cops hate skaters. That happens all the time. He’s wrong but I don’t care because there skaters lol.[/quote]
hops off skate boards and pees on kenny
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Enjoys it
[quote]rasturai wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
GSD from what I know there is another video of officer riviera, so it’s not a first time.
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We had a couple of cops like officer Riviera when I was a kid. They were a lot of fun to fuck with.
One of our favorites was setting up an ambush on a railroad trestle and calling them. When they arrived, we’d bomb the shit out of them with snowballs, rocks, bottles and what ever else we could throw.
With a good head start we would split through the woods and drive them crazy all night chasing us. Those were some good times.
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Hahaha nice man, you guys wre really asking for it eh!!
I can only imagine the rush of somethin like that lol.[/quote]
Yeah, it was a blast. The down side is that the couple of us that did get caught for numerous other things would get a royal ass beating at the station.
And another at home.
[quote]GSD wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
As well GSD, you are in the law enforcement business…the drive thru video…c’mon man…that is 100% RE-TARDED. The girl didn’t have the money, the manager said no money. So the cop goes in, tells her he wants the money…shes under arrest and she’s going with him…for what?
How does that make sense?
She clearly wasn’t guilty of anything, she’s saying he can strip search her and everything. She was in the right completely…so when we are in the right we have to still back-down to the cops…I’m pretty sure most people would be VERY confused if they were in that situation. Granted maybe she shouldn’t have raised her voice. I wouldn’t have raised my voice like she did, or I wouldn’t have sworn at him…but I’d definately have a hard time accepting to go with him when I haven’t done anything wrong.[/quote]
Yeah, the entire situation is ridiculous. Any reasonable guy would probably have admitted that he was wrong when the manager checked the cash register too.
However, he was making an arrest because he believed he had the RPGs to justify that arrest. So resisting that arrest is never a good idea. That’s how you get a face full of pepper. As hard as it may be, go with it. Cooperate. That keeps things from getting out of hand and someone with a foot up their ass. Also, if you are cooperative and the cop made a stupid arrest, as in that situation, you look that much better when you make a complaint to the department. There are right and wrong ways to deal with things. In that situation the cop screwed up by making a dumb arrest in a stupid situation. The woman screwed up by resisting arrest (a criminal offence). They both were in the wrong, so they both look like idiots.[/quote]
Is the officer not required to inform you of WHAT you are being arrested for?
Yeah fuck these cops and all the ones like them. It is never OK for a cop to act this way and if they do they need to be fired and charges brought against them by the very department they work for. Not from just the victim.
Officer Rivieri was suspended
[quote]hachi wrote:
Officer Rivieri was suspended
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330501,00.html[/quote]
He should have assault, and abuse charges filed against him. I’m willing to be he used to do it daily.
[quote]hachi wrote:
Officer Rivieri was suspended
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330501,00.html[/quote]
Whoop-dee-doo, suspended with pay sounds like a fucking vacation to me.
[quote]GSD wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
As well GSD, you are in the law enforcement business…the drive thru video…c’mon man…that is 100% RE-TARDED. The girl didn’t have the money, the manager said no money. So the cop goes in, tells her he wants the money…shes under arrest and she’s going with him…for what?
How does that make sense?
She clearly wasn’t guilty of anything, she’s saying he can strip search her and everything. She was in the right completely…so when we are in the right we have to still back-down to the cops…I’m pretty sure most people would be VERY confused if they were in that situation. Granted maybe she shouldn’t have raised her voice. I wouldn’t have raised my voice like she did, or I wouldn’t have sworn at him…but I’d definately have a hard time accepting to go with him when I haven’t done anything wrong.[/quote]
Yeah, the entire situation is ridiculous. Any reasonable guy would probably have admitted that he was wrong when the manager checked the cash register too.
However, he was making an arrest because he believed he had the RPGs to justify that arrest. So resisting that arrest is never a good idea. That’s how you get a face full of pepper. As hard as it may be, go with it. Cooperate. That keeps things from getting out of hand and someone with a foot up their ass. Also, if you are cooperative and the cop made a stupid arrest, as in that situation, you look that much better when you make a complaint to the department. There are right and wrong ways to deal with things. In that situation the cop screwed up by making a dumb arrest in a stupid situation. The woman screwed up by resisting arrest (a criminal offence). They both were in the wrong, so they both look like idiots.[/quote]
What? She was not in the wrong at all and if looking like an idiot means behaving in a such a way that will get a dumbass cop fired and get you awarded 60K, then I want to look like an idiot.
[quote]GSD wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
As well GSD, you are in the law enforcement business…the drive thru video…c’mon man…that is 100% RE-TARDED. The girl didn’t have the money, the manager said no money. So the cop goes in, tells her he wants the money…shes under arrest and she’s going with him…for what?
How does that make sense?
She clearly wasn’t guilty of anything, she’s saying he can strip search her and everything. She was in the right completely…so when we are in the right we have to still back-down to the cops…I’m pretty sure most people would be VERY confused if they were in that situation. Granted maybe she shouldn’t have raised her voice. I wouldn’t have raised my voice like she did, or I wouldn’t have sworn at him…but I’d definately have a hard time accepting to go with him when I haven’t done anything wrong.[/quote]
Yeah, the entire situation is ridiculous. Any reasonable guy would probably have admitted that he was wrong when the manager checked the cash register too.
However, he was making an arrest because he believed he had the RPGs to justify that arrest. So resisting that arrest is never a good idea. That’s how you get a face full of pepper. As hard as it may be, go with it. Cooperate. That keeps things from getting out of hand and someone with a foot up their ass. Also, if you are cooperative and the cop made a stupid arrest, as in that situation, you look that much better when you make a complaint to the department. There are right and wrong ways to deal with things. In that situation the cop screwed up by making a dumb arrest in a stupid situation. The woman screwed up by resisting arrest (a criminal offence). They both were in the wrong, so they both look like idiots.[/quote]
No, he was arresting her because he’s a fucking welfare recipient with a gun on a power trip and wanted revenge.
Nothing about what the officer did was reasonable and the girl had every right to not obey. I’m glad she got 60k out of the deal.
Yeah DoubleDuce…I’m glad she got 60k out of it too, I mean she’s being humiliated n everything but eh the 60k is good (I guess good can come from bad? lol). Again it’s not the point though…they should have their asses fired…everyone else at a job would get fired.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
Yeah DoubleDuce…I’m glad she got 60k out of it too, I mean she’s being humiliated n everything but eh the 60k is good (I guess good can come from bad? lol). Again it’s not the point though…they should have their asses fired…everyone else at a job would get fired. [/quote]
Here is the problem, Not only do my taxes have to go towards douchebags salary, they also have to go for the 60K when he fucks up. It’s like getting fucked twice for the price of two, only there is no fucking and it actually costs 10 X’s as much. If that made sense.
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
Yeah DoubleDuce…I’m glad she got 60k out of it too, I mean she’s being humiliated n everything but eh the 60k is good (I guess good can come from bad? lol). Again it’s not the point though…they should have their asses fired…everyone else at a job would get fired. [/quote]
Here is the problem, Not only do my taxes have to go towards douchebags salary, they also have to go for the 60K when he fucks up. It’s like getting fucked twice for the price of two, only there is no fucking and it actually costs 10 X’s as much. If that made sense.
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You pay $6000+ for sex?
And you don’t pay for it if they aren’t your own local cops.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Bungalow wrote:
I wonder if the kid was serious when he said he doesn’t have a father… cop is an asshole
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That was lip. You can tell cause his friend tells him to shutup. He would have been fine if he had just taken it. Cop is a dick but the kid is a punk. I’ve been yelled at tons of times by cops when I was a teenager. You sack up and take it and you thank them afterward. Then you don’t get manhandled and embarassed. Simple equation.
I agree though. Cop is an asshole.[/quote]
That situation doesn’t really fly here. The cop in the first video seemed to just have it out for these kids. In such a situation no amount of yes sir thank you sir is gonna save you. I agree that in every situation you should treat a cop with respect, because it’ll most likely save you a ton of trouble but when some idiot with a superiority complex starts bullshitting I’ll tell him to go fuck himself too.
Now, when a cop puts his hands on you without legitimate reason, can you use force to stop him/her? Is that still “self defence”?[/quote]
I think even a little yes sir no sir would have saved him instead of whining I didn’t hear you. Kid was stupid.
You are 17, and full of shit. You would not tell a cop that was in your face to go fuck himself. And if you did you would either wind up with a disorderly conduct charge or a black eye.[/quote]
Actually, in Pa you can tell a cop to go fuck himself. You may get charged with disorderly conduct, but you can also cite Commonwealth of PA Vs. Hock, get the charges dropped, and sue the municipality that employs the cop for violating your freedom of speech.
Guess how I know this! I didn’t do the lawsuit part, but my attorney really wanted to.
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Yeah but you’re gonna lose some precious time sorting out the bullshit. Get yourself into a your word vs his situation where he could potentially make up any old thing.
Of course I like to maintain perspective by thinking about the assloads of cops that take heaps of verbal abuse all day and dont do anything stupid.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
Doesn’t she have a right to resist arrest though in that circumstance? I mean it seems like most people would NOT want to get arrested and would try to talk their way out of it (like she did)…it’s not like she pushed the cop to resist arrest. Again it’s a man vs. a 17 year old girl lol.
However ridiculous this all seems I WILL take your advice of go along with it in a situation like that. If I’m in public…any other situation for such a minor thing like that (if I’m in the right) I will most definately tell the cop to fuck off and RUN. Like those teens with officer rivieri…i WILL run like forest gump lol. Anything else I will oblige 100%. I know it is dumb to argue with them, I would never do such a thing…it just really gets to me when I see a cop beating someone up for no damn reason other than they want to feel that power on someone. In that case…they really should lose their job…and the victim needs some compensation.
In your time being in the enforcement have you seen these things happen in your department or departments around you? If I was a officer I would be paranoid as fuck thinking someone would try to get me after in the streets when not being a cop.
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I don’t really know the fine points of US law, but no one has a RIGHT to resist arrest. That’s why it’s a criminal offence. Here’s a simple definition of arrest
“The word ‘arrest’ when used in its ordinary and natural sense, means the apprehension or restraint of a person, or the deprivation of a person’s liberty.”
So arrest is temporarily depriving a person of their liberty/freedom for the duration of an investigation. It’s a pretty serious thing to take away someone’s freedom. That’s why cops aren’t allowed to arrest without reason, and the person has to be told what they are under arrest for at the time of that arrest (in Canada, section 10(a) Charter of Rights and Freedoms). However, that does not mean you can make demands or negotiate before being in handcuffs, for safety reasons.
I have had a lot of people try to negotiate and talk their way out of being arrested before. It’s a form of passive resistance and becomes active resistance if they start moving/pulling away to prevent arrest. A lot of people try to negotiate to stall and think of how to get out of it. Sometimes they try to run or fight. That is why you can’t talk your way out of it, because a lot of other assholes have tried that and it didn’t go over well.
We don’t have any cops like that in our detachment. One guy I know changed police services because the last place he was at was the most corrupt place ever. The guys I work with realize that making enemies in the public is bad for us in the long run. We may be relying on those people for information or help in a bad situation. You treat that guy on the street well, he just might be the guy to help you out in a bar fight.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Bungalow wrote:
I wonder if the kid was serious when he said he doesn’t have a father… cop is an asshole
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That was lip. You can tell cause his friend tells him to shutup. He would have been fine if he had just taken it. Cop is a dick but the kid is a punk. I’ve been yelled at tons of times by cops when I was a teenager. You sack up and take it and you thank them afterward. Then you don’t get manhandled and embarassed. Simple equation.
I agree though. Cop is an asshole.[/quote]
That situation doesn’t really fly here. The cop in the first video seemed to just have it out for these kids. In such a situation no amount of yes sir thank you sir is gonna save you. I agree that in every situation you should treat a cop with respect, because it’ll most likely save you a ton of trouble but when some idiot with a superiority complex starts bullshitting I’ll tell him to go fuck himself too.
Now, when a cop puts his hands on you without legitimate reason, can you use force to stop him/her? Is that still “self defence”?[/quote]
I think even a little yes sir no sir would have saved him instead of whining I didn’t hear you. Kid was stupid.
You are 17, and full of shit. You would not tell a cop that was in your face to go fuck himself. And if you did you would either wind up with a disorderly conduct charge or a black eye.[/quote]
Actually, in Pa you can tell a cop to go fuck himself. You may get charged with disorderly conduct, but you can also cite Commonwealth of PA Vs. Hock, get the charges dropped, and sue the municipality that employs the cop for violating your freedom of speech.
Guess how I know this! I didn’t do the lawsuit part, but my attorney really wanted to.
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That’s kind of an interesting little thing. Doesn’t really fly here though. Some provinces in Canada have violation tickets for swearing at cops. Their job is law enforcement, not putting up with verbal abuse.
I think the closest thing to Disorderly Conduct in Canada is Cause Disturbance (section 175(1)(a) Criminal Code). But it states: not being in a dwelling-house, causes a disturbance in or near a public place by … swearing …
So it’s officer discretion at that point. But it’s usually not worth the paper work. Not many people get their feelings hurt by being sworn at. When I arrest a drunk, he’s usually swearing and threatening me the entire ride to cells.
Edit: I think that Cause Disturbance by swearing bit had the fat guy wanting chicken in mind (see video in other thread)
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Bungalow wrote:
I wonder if the kid was serious when he said he doesn’t have a father… cop is an asshole
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That was lip. You can tell cause his friend tells him to shutup. He would have been fine if he had just taken it. Cop is a dick but the kid is a punk. I’ve been yelled at tons of times by cops when I was a teenager. You sack up and take it and you thank them afterward. Then you don’t get manhandled and embarassed. Simple equation.
I agree though. Cop is an asshole.[/quote]
I completely agree. Why is it though that if it had been a black kid that was thrown around for giving “lip” society would have been a tab more up in arms?
yeah… thats bullshit on the cops end (first video)…If that fatty in that yellow jacket, had put a hand on me… well i’d probably be in jail right now,
Law enforcement just seems to attract absolute power hungry douche bags, there are some good ones, but the majority are fuckin retards, and it doesn’t help that the system is bullshit.
Last week, (canadian police), my lil brother got over something like 150$ fine for forgetting to display his “N” (new drivers) sign on the back of his car. 2 Days later, Me and my parents witnessed an assault in a local breakfast cafe, where a 20 year old, smashed a 50-55 year old man, through a full glass window, traumatizing his kids, and wife, luckily the guy was alright, the 20 year old peaced the scene, ran away, cops came, and because the guy was alright and didnt want to spend the time pressing charges, the cops didn’t even care to try and identify the assailant, even when i said, I could easily tell them who he was by looking in the local high school yearbook. Its all about the money. /rant
In the immortal words of Eazy - E, and NWA, FUCK THE POLICE
doesn’t anyone else think this guy is solid gold? how can you not love someone that says things like “i am Officer Rivieri, the sooner you learn that the longer your gonna live in this world, cuz you go around doing this kind of stuff, somebody’s gonna kill you” and my personal favorite “a dude is somebody who works on a ranch!”
he shouldn’t have touched the kid but when a 14 year old skater calls you “dude” multiple times, i can understand how you lose your temper
[quote]chiefs_2k6 wrote:
doesn’t anyone else think this guy is solid gold? how can you not love someone that says things like “i am Officer Rivieri, the sooner you learn that the longer your gonna live in this world, cuz you go around doing this kind of stuff, somebody’s gonna kill you” and my personal favorite “a dude is somebody who works on a ranch!”
he shouldn’t have touched the kid but when a 14 year old skater calls you “dude” multiple times, i can understand how you lose your temper[/quote]
WTF? The kid’s not gonna hurt him. He legitimately is somewhat ignorant. He’s 14 for fucks sake. I know most of us were pretty dumb at 14.
Kid has a right to call him dude. Cop had a right to give the kid a little talk, about why he should listen to cops. But the yelling and physical contact was over the line. Kids are dumb, and this fucker needs to get over it.
The kid asked “what did I do?” and the cop had no answer for him. A simple “son, you need to be quiet and listen to me.” in a calm voice would have been fine. The cop had popped his lid before anything happened, and that’s a power trip. Kid gave him no damn reason to react like that. His first sentence after the kid responds with “yeah” involves juvenile hall. Kids might interrupt the cop, but seriously, I’ve seen people stay a million stupid things on cops without getting this kind of reaction from an officer. Totally uncalled for.
lulz