[quote]pittbulll wrote:
in the old days it took a cop with the balls to pursue everything with not much back up. Today they SWAT everything .[/quote]
And those were the cops who typically gave you respect
[quote]xcintrik wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
in the old days it took a cop with the balls to pursue everything with not much back up. Today they SWAT everything .[/quote]
And those were the cops who typically gave you respect[/quote]
IMO the war on drugs has changed peace officers into domestic soldiers
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
The officer was clearly out of line but both are at fault in the way this situation played out. She was combative from the get go and he has an ego that he needs to keep under control.
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I agree with this. Also, I feel sorry for the female police officer getting dragged into a ridiculous situation because of bad decisions by the other two parties.
EDIT Except maybe if the woman was pregnant and already having a miscarriage when she was stopped, then I would say the situation was just about entirely the fault of the police officer, or whoever made the policy he was required to follow if the policy really was that inflexible.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
She should have rolled down her window.[/quote]
It’s fine that you make the request, it’s also fine that see declines. What isn’t fine is an officer escalating a traffic stop like this. He should be assigned to a desk job, receive additional training, and if his conduct does comply with department policy, then the policy needs to be changed. He should also be required to publish a written apology in the local newspaper and read same on all the local news broadcasts.
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If the officer was following a poorly-designed policy, wouldn’t it be more appropriate for a public apology to come from those who made the policy?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]xcintrik wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
in the old days it took a cop with the balls to pursue everything with not much back up. Today they SWAT everything .[/quote]
And those were the cops who typically gave you respect[/quote]
IMO the war on drugs has changed peace officers into domestic soldiers
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Probably right, at least to some extent, unfortunately.
Breaking news…A small group of humbled Politicians, Judges, and University administrators will
all address the public to sincerely apologize for the policies they have made that led to this most
unfortunate of incidents, this Saturday, September 28th, at 1:15 cst, on all the major news networks,
because they care about us, very deeply.
[quote]Karado wrote:
Breaking news…A small group of humbled Politicians, Judges, and University administrators will
all address the public to sincerely apologize for the policies they have made that led to this most
unfortunate of incidents, this Saturday, September 28th, at 1:15 cst, on all the major news networks,
because they care about us, very deeply.
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That’s good to know. I didn’t really expect them to do that, although I thought they were the ones who should.
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]xcintrik wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
in the old days it took a cop with the balls to pursue everything with not much back up. Today they SWAT everything .[/quote]
And those were the cops who typically gave you respect[/quote]
IMO the war on drugs has changed peace officers into domestic soldiers
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Absolutely. If marijuana was legal that smart arse woman would’ve opened her window all the way. Legalising marijuana will solve everything. Cops will never abuse their positions of power again. /sarcasm
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
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Legalising marijuana will solve everything.
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/sarcasm[/quote]
De-escalating the war on drugs would mitigate some things.
There are a lot of things in this life that are beyond the power of human beings to solve, but within the power of human beings to mitigate. In some cases, mitigation of one or more problems is best achieved by giving up on solving one or more other problems.
[quote]undoredo wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
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Legalising marijuana will solve everything.
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/sarcasm[/quote]
De-escalating the war on drugs would mitigate some things.
There are a lot of things in this life that are beyond the power of human beings to solve, but within the power of human beings to mitigate. In some cases, mitigation of one or more problems is best achieved by giving up on solving one or more other problems.
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IMO it would mitigate a lot and save a shit load of money and the quality of PEACE OFFICERS would sky rocket because it could include pot heads 
and we could actually do away with 70% of the cops
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO it would mitigate a lot and save a shit load of money and the quality of PEACE OFFICERS would sky rocket because it could include pot heads
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Yes great idea. Maybe some cocaine would help too like in Mexico. There’s no corruption problems there either.
Do away with? Sounds insidious…
I think it should be a requirement for every police officer to have a camera attached to him like he did. That’s the first I’ve seen but I love the idea.
As for the incident it was pretty bullshit. The second time she rolled the window down was plenty for him to pass her the citation. Funny how at first he said she needed to put it down all the way becasue he was not going to stick his hands in there and get trapped. Then later he stuck his hands in there claimed he was being trapped and broke the window. You can clearly see her hands were not on the door (window button) when he broke the glass= unnecessary behavior.
He should be fined the price of the window, written up, and forced to take a class or 2.
Also, it’s a scary time when Cops know they are being video taped (in this case doing the taping) and are still acting like assholes. Not a good sign for our police state future.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Also, it’s a scary time when Cops know they are being video taped (in this case doing the taping) and are still acting like assholes. Not a good sign for our police state future.[/quote]
Agreed.
I will break this down real simple for those who haven’t had many entanglements with the law…
You’re at the mercy of the cop in 99.99% of the situations. If you want to sue or correct the situation, doing what this lady did was not the way to do it.
In the end, this lady lost, because she went from a traffic ticket to resisting arrest and going to the clink.
You have to use their system again them, which means you show why the cop was wrong even when you listened to him.
She is lucky she didn’t get tuned up in jail because of her mouth, where there are no cameras, or they are magically turned off.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
My girlfriend had a fake cop pull her over before I met her. Now if she ever gets pulled over I told her she needs to only crack the window and call 911 to verify that it is a real officer. Once again, it is more safe for both parties if the window is only cracked. This cop didn’t like his authority challenged so he broke the window and cuffed a woman who told him she was having a miscarriage. All he had to do was slide his little fucking clipboard through the slot in her window and swallow his pride.
It’s frightening that anyone would side with the cop on this one.
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Care to elaborate on this story? What happened? Hopefully everything turned out alright.[/quote]
She just told me she was on a country road and some guy pulled her over in an unmarked vehicle that had lights. She said he was really aggressive and harassing her and made her get out of the car to search it. Didn’t take anything, I think it was just a power trip thing. She never heard of him getting caught but the police said that she wasn’t the first victim of this guy.
I would say this woman was doing a smart thing by not rolling her window down. This cop reinforced every fear she may have had about law enforcement. This is a public affairs disaster for the police and this cop probably won’t get into any trouble at all. Guy needs to be fired, and should be charged criminally.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO it would mitigate a lot and save a shit load of money and the quality of PEACE OFFICERS would sky rocket because it could include pot heads
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Yes great idea. Maybe some cocaine would help too like in Mexico. There’s no corruption problems there either.
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Your sarcasm is unneeded and ironic since its the illcit drug trade that causes there to be an avenue for so much corruption in Mexico.
Without the illicit drug trade the cartels don’t make money, without money they have no power, without power they can’t finance corruption in the police force.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Your sarcasm is unneeded and ironic since its the illcit drug trade that causes there to be an avenue for so much corruption in Mexico.
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No. It’s human nature that creates the avenue for corruption.
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Without the illicit drug trade the cartels don’t make money, without money they have no power, without power they can’t finance corruption in the police force.[/quote]
How does making it licit remove the root cause? It merely establishes it in a more controlled environment. You’d end up with corporations like East India Trading legally controlling the market.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
As for the incident it was pretty bullshit. The second time she rolled the window down was plenty for him to pass her the citation. Funny how at first he said she needed to put it down all the way becasue he was not going to stick his hands in there and get trapped. Then later he stuck his hands in there claimed he was being trapped and broke the window. You can clearly see her hands were not on the door (window button) when he broke the glass= unnecessary behavior.[/quote]
Yes…the officer lost control of the situation when he became ‘emotionally’ invested in the window being rolled down instead of issuing the traffic citation. If this officer can’t maintain his shit on a basic traffic stop how is he going to respond under serious stress. Perhaps it was a bad day, but more likely, some people just aren’t fit for this kind of work. If I’m an officer this is the last kind of person I want covering my 6.