[quote]ParagonA wrote:
This kind of cycling has works great for me. As a natural bodybuilder, I believe that manipulation of the endocrine system through cycling of macro nutrients is a very powerful tool.
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x2 - As I’ve gone along, I’ve pushed the extreme fluctuations between high and low days further, and gotten much better results each time.
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[quote]ParagonA wrote:
My week looks like this:
Mon - low cal, low protein. Only 1000 cals
Tue - high carb, high protein, moderate fat. 4500 cals
Wed - moderate carbs, high protein, moderate fat. 3600 cals
Thu - low carbs, high protein, high fat - 3600 cals
Fri - moderate carbs, high protein, moderate fat. 3600 cals
Sat - high carbs, high protein, low fat. 4500 cals
Sun - free day. High on everything[/quote]
Monday and Sunday are no-weightlifting, no-HIIT days?
[quote]tolismann wrote:
[quote]ParagonA wrote:
My week looks like this:
Mon - low cal, low protein. Only 1000 cals
Tue - high carb, high protein, moderate fat. 4500 cals
Wed - moderate carbs, high protein, moderate fat. 3600 cals
Thu - low carbs, high protein, high fat - 3600 cals
Fri - moderate carbs, high protein, moderate fat. 3600 cals
Sat - high carbs, high protein, low fat. 4500 cals
Sun - free day. High on everything[/quote]
Monday and Sunday are no-weightlifting, no-HIIT days?
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Actually, I do some kind of workout almost every day. On 4 days or so I work out twice a day, which is brutal, since I work half days, i.e. 12 hours a day.
A typical week looks as follows:
Mon - some old-fashined cardio. 45-60 minutes of steady state cardio after work in the evening.
Tue - get up at 4:50 am. Peri-workout protocol. Weight lifting.
Tue - neural recovery workout, mobility work, flexibility work in the evening
Wed - morning workout again. Weight lifting.
Wed - same as Tue evening workout
Thu - morning workout only. Weight again.
Fri - morning weights
Fri - evening HIIT for 25 minutes
Sat - mid-day workout. Weights. Very high volume. Takes me 2 hours.
Sun - some neural recovery stuff
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
@ Brick,
I’m not really doing the carb cycling thing anymore…I’ve decided to listen and learn, and I am therefore “bulking.” I’m trying to stay as clean as possible - to gain strength w/out excess fat gain. Some peeps in the BB forum say to eat pizza, cheeseburgers, etc…but I’m eating olive oil, whole eggs, oats, etc instead…Not as fun, but I do have my moments. Last night, for example, i gorged down over a quart of ice cream as part of my weekly treat. I was thinking that I could do that sort of thing on sat nights and follow w/ a pulse fast or low carb day on sunday and be ready to bust ass all week in the gym. Is the pulse fast really worth the $150 though? Or could I get the same effect w/ a low carb day? [/quote]
People who need to resort to constantly eating pizza and fast food items are those with mega-calorie intakes (>5000) for whom eating squeaky clean is too cost and time intensive (food preparation and time eating). Meeting a calorie need of 3000 to 3500 for a complete newb weighing a buck-60 to -80 is a joke and can be done with the foods you mention and some other items - fruits, veggies, lean meats, healthy oils, nuts, seeds, cheese, cottage cheese, protein powder, milk, yogurt, eggs, and egg whites.
You wrote: “I was thinking that I could do that sort of thing on sat nights and follow w/ a pulse fast or low carb day on sunday and be ready to bust ass all week in the gym. Is the pulse fast really worth the $150 though? Or could I get the same effect w/ a low carb day?”
You said you’re learning, and this post indicates you still need to learn. Have a damn cheat meal once or twice a week and it call it a day (or night)! I haven’t looked into some Biotest pulse fast, but a protein sparing modified fast can be done with five to ten bucks for a day with egg whites, chicken, turkey, fish, and some veggies.
Why are you thinking of some complicated shit when it’s clear you should be on a lifestyle diet with some indulging here and there and learning how to set up a basic diet and training program?
If you have a cheat meal, just eat until satisfied - not until stuffed, which would cause a problem over time (fat gain). If you feel you need to eat a little less the next day, do so.
Do I think any type of fast is worth so much money? No! I’ve done protein sparing modified fast consisting of almost nothing but cans of tuna, salmon, and chicken; low fat cottage cheese; egg whites; and vegetables. Actually there were some days where I was pretty much on an old school fish and water diet. Cost? Next to nothing. [/quote]
Very well said Brick.
Regarding your comment to me – I wasn’t trying to lead this kid astray, but he was asking about control days and I tried to give him some simple advice. I certainly wasn’t trying to encourage him to go all out on pizza and cake for an entire day – I should have noted that even on Saturday all I have is a large cheat meal in the evening, followed by some desert.
I also wasn’t suggesting fasting on Sunday, just low carbs ~100g. The food choices you suggested are very similar to what I’d encourage clients to eat also. I believe we are on the same page, however you put a lot more thought in your post and articulated much better!
Thanks.
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
ya, either way i prefer needing to eat more over needing to eat less any day of the week…people who complain about “bulking” are either crazy or looking for some sort of weird attention, IMO. By the way, what do you, as a trained nutrition expert, think about Shugart’s no-grain policy? Do you think he takes the FFB thing too far? [/quote]
Despite me having some “internet beef” with Chris, I DO agree with SOME stuff he says.
Where do I agree with Chris?
Most ORDINARY guys don’t do well with huge eating nor do they have to resort to that. I’m not saying someone can get huge with a 2,500 calorie diet or that we need to monitor every morsel that goes into our mouths or that we can’t have a cheat meal here and there. I’m saying that most men need to keep things in check a bit and not overindulge. I’ve seen too many guys - myself included - lose skin tautness and get stretch marks because of overeating.
I don’t think he’s overexaggerating about the FFB thing. If you gained a lot of fat in the past, it’s very easy to gain it back (FOR ORDINARY DUDES).
When I speak of ordinary dudes, I speak of ordinary genetics. Daniel Duchaine had a profound saying: “Champs don’t get fat; they get smooth!” I don’t think some people really have a grasp on the genetics pros have. These are guys who don’t appear sloppy even when overfed a bit and have a predisposition for muscle gain when overfed. Most guys don’t.
On the other end, you have guys who say, “I can’t gain weight no matter how much I eat.” This is complete bullshit and even sometimes comes from guys who don’t even exercise. So where are all these calories being burned? These are guys who don’t even realize how little they eat. They think eating big is not eating breakfast, “pigging out” on three slices of pizza (which makes them full, so they must be “eating a lot”), and then starving until dinner time is a form of big eating.
I don’t have a no-grains policy, so I’m not with him in that area.