[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Our society has an addiction and it doesn’t want to give it up. Sex education programs are akin to the serious alcoholic’s attempt to “moderate” his drinking. What he needs to be doing is getting the hell away from alcohol and from the situations that trigger his need to drink himself to death. “Moderation” is just more of exactly what he doesn’t need. [/quote]
No. Most of us just have a healthy attitude towards sex. It only appears as a “sex addiction” to you because of your religious views. Human sexuality is innate in all of us.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Now, what needs to be done heal this terrible wound (from a secular point of view, as I’m sure none of you are interested in prayer)? [/quote]
No, I’m interested in something that has demonstrated to work.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I sorry to say that I am not sure there is a viable solution at this point. What I DO know is that government enforced “BRAINWASHING” of my children, teaching CHILDREN how to engage in acts that I would be ashamed to “teach” to adults, and presenting this material as if it is somehow normal? This is not even dysphemism. This is what is actually being proposed here. With straight faces all around and an equal measure of atheistic evangelizing. Good grief. [/quote]
How did you come to the conclusion that teaching contraception use is brainwashing?
So you not only think it’s inappropriate to teach contraceptive use to adolescents, you also consider it improper to give this information to adults too? Really? Good grief.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
In fact, the mere supposition that we are so helpless as individual members of society that we need a bureaucrat to explain to us that touching our pee-pees will make us feel good down there, the infantilization and disrespect for people as rational, intelligent beings, most certainly also plays a huge role in the exact result we are both interested in eradicating.
What am I proposing, if anything?
Personal responsibility.
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The choice is still theirs, abstinence is taught. They are just being provided the information.[/quote]
Here we go. I can see exactly what SexMachine is saying about you, raj. You have to be either very dim-witted or outright disingenuous to so thoroughly modify my every point to so perfectly fit your presumptions. Although I suspect it of some of the other posters around here lately, I do not believe you to be the former; so I am going to have to assume you are just here to “win,” rather than to actually get to the heart of the matter at hand.
First: I never said sex addiction. Ever. So stop. If I must be tediously clear in my every point: Our society has a SELF-addiction; a solipsistic, primitive infatuation with beauty, power, money, youth, and fame that manifests itself in sex, narcissism and an attitude of entitlement. As I said, the problems I’m talking about are WAAAAAAY more entrenched than even my stuffy Victorian insecurity with myself as a sexual child of Gaia.
Second, I never said anything about thinking sex education “inappropriate,” either to adults or children. My dad sat me down for “the talk” when I was 4 years old. I remember it vividly. He chose this age because my mom was pregnant with my brother and he wanted me to understand what was happening. He also bought me a book called “Where Did I Come From?,”
which I think is a fabulous book to teach sex-ed to kids. Far, FAR better than what has been proposed thus far in this thread.
I don’t want my son receiving sex-education in school. Matter of fact, I don’t want my kid receiving abstinence-only education in school. When my kid is in school, I want him studying English, math and science. That’s what he’s there to do. Let. Him. Do. That. And quit wasting his time with pseudo-scientific pap.
My problem, as other posters have been stating despite your every attempt to recast their points as you have done mine here, is that it is, has been, and always should be, a PARENT’S JOB to teach their children about such questionable material. I KNOW you don’t want your kids being taught Creationism or ID without their having any choice in the matter. Well I don’t want my son being taught how to apply a condom with his mouth, or the proper way to sexually stimulate himself. How hard is it to understand that something this contentious needs to remain the domain of families and how they choose to raise their kids? And if you don’t like what some parents teach their kids? Too fucking bad.I don’t like what your group teaches their kids, either. I happen to think that making sexual “education” material available (to say nothing of mandatory) is one more part of the larger problem of normalizing the fetishism of the body as a whole, depersonalizing and objectifying humans, recasting (ooh!) us as mere animals, slaves to our every desire and whim, devoid of control or self-determination.
No thank you.
