Continuation on the Reproductive Rights Topic

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]fibroblaster wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]fibroblaster wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]fibroblaster wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]fibroblaster wrote:
Dov’t you people know who margaret sanger was? planned parenthood is the most evil organization to ever exist. www.abortionno.org [/quote]

“Sanger has continued to be regarded as a leading figure in the battle for American women’s rights.”[/quote]

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” she said, “if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” -margaret sanger

Source: Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon[/quote]

And Christians have never done anything wrong to that population?[/quote]

If a Christian did in the past, then what he did was wrong. The question isn’t whether a Christian has ever hurt Africans, but whether it is ok to hurt Africans. Now, NO CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE HAS EVER ALLOWED THIS. Jesus taught us to love our neighbor as our self. Your problem is instead of admitting she’s a bad woman, your likened to a child doing something bad and when questioned by his father the child says:
“Well, he did it too!”
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I didn’t say she wasn’t bad, only that she has done good. But anyways, in the past Christians have been known to be wrong even as a majority. So with that credibility nothing you say today can be taken too seriously.[/quote]

You don’t know what ur saying. It isn’t christianity that made them do evil acts, it was evil itself that exists in and out of christianity. If most bodybuilders for a time ate foods that were considered “not part of a clean diet”, would you assume that eating unhealthy food has anything to do with bodybuilding? [/quote]

I also didn’t say Christianity is what caused the evil acts. I meant being Christian doesn’t imply its a good act, yet they are always preaching they know whats good.[/quote]

Being a Christian (following Christ) and committing acts to genocide are mutually exclusive. Stop looking at people who call themselves Christians and start looking at people who are Christians. Consider reading the life of St. Francis of Assisi

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Sex education only reduces pregnancies because of abortion. Do you actually think people are going to report being pregnant?

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[quote]fibroblaster wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]fibroblaster wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]fibroblaster wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]fibroblaster wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]fibroblaster wrote:
Dov’t you people know who margaret sanger was? planned parenthood is the most evil organization to ever exist. www.abortionno.org [/quote]

“Sanger has continued to be regarded as a leading figure in the battle for American women’s rights.”[/quote]

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” she said, “if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” -margaret sanger

Source: Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon[/quote]

And Christians have never done anything wrong to that population?[/quote]

If a Christian did in the past, then what he did was wrong. The question isn’t whether a Christian has ever hurt Africans, but whether it is ok to hurt Africans. Now, NO CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE HAS EVER ALLOWED THIS. Jesus taught us to love our neighbor as our self. Your problem is instead of admitting she’s a bad woman, your likened to a child doing something bad and when questioned by his father the child says:
“Well, he did it too!”
[/quote]

I didn’t say she wasn’t bad, only that she has done good. But anyways, in the past Christians have been known to be wrong even as a majority. So with that credibility nothing you say today can be taken too seriously.[/quote]

You don’t know what ur saying. It isn’t christianity that made them do evil acts, it was evil itself that exists in and out of christianity. If most bodybuilders for a time ate foods that were considered “not part of a clean diet”, would you assume that eating unhealthy food has anything to do with bodybuilding? [/quote]

I also didn’t say Christianity is what caused the evil acts. I meant being Christian doesn’t imply its a good act, yet they are always preaching they know whats good.[/quote]

Being a Christian (following Christ) and committing acts to genocide are mutually exclusive. Stop looking at people who call themselves Christians and start looking at people who are Christians. Consider reading the life of St. Francis of Assisi[/quote]

That is what I was trying to say. How do you find these true Christians though? In the past they may have been slave owners, today they may be wrong about something else that society does not yet realize.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

Ask yourself WHY we need these programs so desperately when this has NEVER been the case in the past, ever.
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  1. Contraceptives have only been around since the 60’s

  2. The woman’s liberation movement has lead to more sexually free women?

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[quote]fibroblaster wrote:
Sex education only reduces pregnancies because of abortion. Do you actually think people are going to report being pregnant?[/quote]

lol

what

lol

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Ask yourself WHY we need these programs so desperately when this has NEVER been the case in the past, ever.
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  1. Contraceptives have only been around since the 60’s

  2. The woman’s liberation movement has lead to more sexually free women?

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You’re part way there.

Do you want to keep going, or do you believe that the two reasons you listed are the only answers to my question?

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Ask yourself WHY we need these programs so desperately when this has NEVER been the case in the past, ever.
[/quote]

  1. Contraceptives have only been around since the 60’s

  2. The woman’s liberation movement has lead to more sexually free women?

[/quote]

You’re part way there.

Do you want to keep going, or do you believe that the two reasons you listed are the only answers to my question?[/quote]

In the past women were subjugated and confined to the household. The suffragettes and feminism changed all that.

We don’t desperately need these programs Cortes, all that is required that women’s rights aren’t pushed back 100 years.

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I don’t know about the Netherlands, but America certainly does have some issues that need addressing rather urgently.

Neither I nor anyone here arguing this side is interested in taking any rights away from anyone.

I want people to stop using gasoline to put out a fire.

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What is the solution to this then without ANYONE losing rights?

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:
What is the solution to this then without ANYONE losing rights?[/quote]

Hold on. Without starting another abortion thread, and setting that aside for the moment, what, exactly, are these so-called rights, and who is taking them?

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Ask yourself WHY we need these programs so desperately when this has NEVER been the case in the past, ever.
[/quote]

  1. Contraceptives have only been around since the 60’s

  2. The woman’s liberation movement has lead to more sexually free women?

[/quote]

You’re part way there.

Do you want to keep going, or do you believe that the two reasons you listed are the only answers to my question?[/quote]

Why don’t you just tell us what you believe and why you believe it?

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
What is the solution to this then without ANYONE losing rights?[/quote]

Hold on. Without starting another abortion thread, and setting that aside for the moment, what, exactly, are these so-called rights, and who is taking them? [/quote]

You said America has some issues that need addressing. What is that issue (in relation to this thread) and how do you suggest they are addressed? I’ll let you know if your solution has any rights issues I disagree with.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Ask yourself WHY we need these programs so desperately when this has NEVER been the case in the past, ever.
[/quote]

  1. Contraceptives have only been around since the 60’s

  2. The woman’s liberation movement has lead to more sexually free women?

[/quote]

You’re part way there.

Do you want to keep going, or do you believe that the two reasons you listed are the only answers to my question?[/quote]

Why don’t you just tell us what you believe and why you believe it?[/quote]

Uh, did you miss that long post of mine a little way up the page? I wear my heart on my sleeve. I’m not being evasive or vague in any way here.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
What is the solution to this then without ANYONE losing rights?[/quote]

Hold on. Without starting another abortion thread, and setting that aside for the moment, what, exactly, are these so-called rights, and who is taking them? [/quote]

You said America has some issues that need addressing. What is that issue (in relation to this thread) and how do you suggest they are addressed? I’ll let you know if your solution has any rights issues I disagree with.[/quote]

Again:

“The ease with which access to explicit and obscene material is available. The constant, never-ending barrage of the idolization of the human body as a sexual object. The role models our society pushes into our faces like gigantic grimacing caricature heads at a nightmare parade. If you wanted to shield your child from it, you couldn’t.”

Our society has an addiction and it doesn’t want to give it up. Sex education programs are akin to the serious alcoholic’s attempt to “moderate” his drinking. What he needs to be doing is getting the hell away from alcohol and from the situations that trigger his need to drink himself to death. “Moderation” is just more of exactly what he doesn’t need.

Now, what needs to be done heal this terrible wound (from a secular point of view, as I’m sure none of you are interested in prayer)? I sorry to say that I am not sure there is a viable solution at this point. What I DO know is that government enforced “BRAINWASHING” of my children, teaching CHILDREN how to engage in acts that I would be ashamed to “teach” to adults, and presenting this material as if it is somehow normal? This is not even dysphemism. This is what is actually being proposed here. With straight faces all around and an equal measure of atheistic evangelizing. Good grief.

In fact, the mere supposition that we are so helpless as individual members of society that we need a bureaucrat to explain to us that touching our pee-pees will make us feel good down there, the infantilization and disrespect for people as rational, intelligent beings, most certainly also plays a huge role in the exact result we are both interested in eradicating.

What am I proposing, if anything?

Personal responsibility.

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What exactly is the government brainwashing you are speaking of? I don’t recall being exposed to anything like this when I was younger, and I’m not that old yet.

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http://online.wsj.com/...3817181646.html

http://www.nytimes.com/...amp;_r=2&hp

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/...3817181646.html

http://www.nytimes.com/...amp;_r=2&hp[/quote]

Both dead links.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

  1. Contraceptives have only been around since the 60’s
    …
    [/quote]

Condoms have been around for centuries.

Herbal potions for contraception have also been around for centuries (although not as effective as the modern-day “pill”).

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[quote]NealRaymond2 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

  1. Contraceptives have only been around since the 60’s
    …
    [/quote]

Condoms have been around for centuries.

Herbal potions for contraception have also been around for centuries (although not as effective as the modern-day “pill”).[/quote]

Modern reliable contraceptions have only been around since the 60s.

Please do not call herbal potions contraceptions.

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[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/...3817181646.html

http://www.nytimes.com/...amp;_r=2&hp[/quote]

Both dead links.[/quote]