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Hey,

Thought i’d throw out my idea and see what anyone thinks of it.

Been training since the start of June- 6 Days a week, every week no exceptions.

Been gaining weight save the 6 weeks i used Lyle Mc Donalds RRFL before i went on holidays with the missus. However the gains have like stalled completely. Even the 1lb a month is gone lol. I add 20g of protein every week for 3 weeks then add 10g of fat. Rinse and repeat. Using the AD so Carbs are not a huge part of my nutrition.

I know you should do a few years training, but i have been working damn hard… i have way excelled alot of people who have been training years and don’t fuck about.

Would like to try a Test Eth or Prop cycle, i have read Furious George cycles - i would like if possible to do -

800mg a week - 400mg E3D of Test Eth or Prop
.25 ED of Arimadex

After 8 weeks do the Test Taper outlined by Prisoner. It has been said 1st cycle should just stick to just Test get your toes wet before diving in so to speak, so i will follow that advise.

Stats:

27 Years of Age
Flat Bench PL Style - 122.5 Kg (ye i know but every little helps even the 0.5 lol)
SUMO Deadlift - 187.5 Kg - Stopped doing the Conv DL while back Sumo is my baby
Back Squat - 175 Kg - Stalled out somewhat on this,starting to fall forward am doing mobility work as recommended by D. Tate.

Thanking you for your time.

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In my eyes, theres no way you should be hitting a wall so soon. AAS arent miracle drugs, but they are good supplements to training. I think you need to figure out whats holding you back in your diet/training then add AAS in.

As far as the cycle itself… If you fix whatevers holding you back in your diet/training then i think that cycle would bring you amazing gains.

BMC

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i agree
its a good starter cycle. you can maybe even afford to go a bit lower (ie 600mg/week)
as far as the training goes congrats on not missing a workout since june
try correcting things like amount of sleep, training around the same time every day
taking a light day now and then can boost your performance on the upcoming workout
and so on

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Bad STB, bad!

j/k lol

Those aren’t your maxes though are they? Those are 4-5 rm’s from BBB no? Either way good job and good luck with your training!

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Is that a picture of you in your avatar?

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doubtful with under a year of training and no AAS.

BMC

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[quote]BMC85 wrote:
doubtful with under a year of training and no AAS.

BMC[/quote]

Why show your ass with this post? You dont know.

It’s him.

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[quote]SmallToBig wrote:

After 8 weeks do the Test Taper outlined by Prisoner. It has been said 1st cycle should just stick to just Test get your toes wet before diving in so to speak, so i will follow that advise.

.[/quote]

This isnt what was meant by that. “Test only” means the drugs used in the cycle. For such a short cycle (8 weeks is what I’d recommend to most people, especially first timers) SERM pct will be fine. And its 7-8 weeks of no injections.

I’d recommend 8 weeks of enanthate. Frontload it without a doubt. 600mg/wk is fine. There is a good chance you’ll need more than .25mg ED of adex.

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Im not showing anything. But the person in his picture seems as if they have been working out for longer thn a year. If hes made it to where he is in less than a year with 0 AAS use then cheers to him, but the chances of it are slim to none.

Regardless, theres no way hes hit his genetic potential after only a year. So the wall he has hit is in his diet and/or training. AAS isnt to be used to get over these walls. He needs to figure out whats holding him back in those areas before even considering AAS use. Once hes done that, the suggested cycle 800mg/wk of test will give him great gains.

BMC

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That’s him in the picture

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[quote]BMC85 wrote:
Im not showing anything. But the person in his picture seems as if they have been working out for longer thn a year. If hes made it to where he is in less than a year with 0 AAS use then cheers to him, but the chances of it are slim to none.

Regardless, theres no way hes hit his genetic potential after only a year. So the wall he has hit is in his diet and/or training. AAS isnt to be used to get over these walls. He needs to figure out whats holding him back in those areas before even considering AAS use. Once hes done that, the suggested cycle 800mg/wk of test will give him great gains.

BMC[/quote]

He’s 27 years old. He’s a grown man that can make decisions by himself. I’m just saying. It’s a lot different than an underdeveloped 20 year old.

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If your gains have stalled, I’d take a break from the AD for a while and start eating more carbs.

AD is a great diet, but I’ve seen many friends, clients, and colleagues make rapid mass gains when they took a break from it and started a moderate carb cycling approach. Check out anything from Shelby Starnes for details.

It just seems that after a while, even the 48 hour carb splurge isn’t enough to re-set things. There is some evidence to suggest that the body gets a little too fat adapted.

One of my friends, a die-hard AD dieter, gained 3 pounds and lost a noticeable amount of fat in two weeks by switching to carb cycling. Calorie intake was virtually identical.

I’d try that before AAS. Of course, if you do decide to use, I’d HIGHLY suggest using a higher carb diet, especially if mass is the goal.

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I think hes a NEARLY ideal candidate for steroid usage.

His shit is on point, and he is certainly of age. However, the training for a year thing distresses me somewhat, its nearly impossible to “top out” in a year.

HOWEVER:

I don’t believe the “steroids” limits your potential biologically thing, I think it just becomes a crutch for too many guys, and they cant gain without it because they never have tried to. I still make gains off cycle, and Im well above my genetic max, its just very tedious.

If he is committed to diet and training enough to look like that with no gear than he is certainly going to see fantastic gains.

I am a huge proponent of the test only cycle, I ran a gram of test and little else on my first cycle, and my first few cycles actually and loved it.
You feel completely normal, only better in every way imaginable, your body is familiar with test, and takes to it extremely well.

Second the buy more adex comment, you can never have too much. And acquire some nolva for a PCT, to this day I still do not taper my test as many of you do, its a less gradual taper down, its rather abrupt:

I simply drop the tren or mast or whatever else, keep running just test to let all the other drugs clear, then switch to prop and come down to about 200mg/week and hold until my longer ester test clears then drop the HCG, and then SERM the next day.

The levels fall rather gradual with the longer esters, and the prop at a milder dose keeps you feeling absolutely fine, I then drop straight from 200mg/week to the SERM. The prop clears fast, and your in the PCT.

I generally feel fine. Strength drops a bit, slowly, you lose a rep on the weight you have been pushing, but thats about it, completely normal, you have to “try” a bit harder to hit the same sets, but nothing absurd.

A few weeks later your back in full swing, and your completely normal. Your still going to be down a rep or so on your sets, but other than that you lose little.

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Am I the only one with a problem here?

Dude has been training for a year (yes, one whole year), finally hits a plateau, and his reaction is to go directly to a cycle…

No one else sees that he’s slightly lazy in figuring out what has caused his standstill and amending it?

The first issue I take is with this “Been training since the start of June- 6 Days a week, every week no exceptions.”

His body has obviously become accustomed to this regiment, thus that would be one of the first things I’d address.

I’m all for steroids, but this is the type of dude I’d tell to get the hell away from me if they approached me with questions about it.

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[quote]SmallToBig wrote:

so Carbs are not a huge part of my nutrition.

.[/quote]

This is what I would change if I started to stop gaining size.

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I second the point of trying to figure out why hes hit his plateau so early. Its in his diet and/or training. 2 most important credentials necessary before starting a cycle and his arent currently right. This is what… the third time I’ve said this?

BMC

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[quote]BMC85 wrote:
I second the point of trying to figure out why hes hit his plateau so early. Its in his diet and/or training. 2 most important credentials necessary before starting a cycle and his arent currently right. This is what… the third time I’ve said this?

BMC[/quote]

I agree with you. That is the best advice. But he’s an adult and made a legitimate post with a question. I dont see a reason not to provide help.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]BMC85 wrote:
I second the point of trying to figure out why hes hit his plateau so early. Its in his diet and/or training. 2 most important credentials necessary before starting a cycle and his arent currently right. This is what… the third time I’ve said this?

BMC[/quote]

I agree with you. That is the best advice. But he’s an adult and made a legitimate post with a question. I dont see a reason not to provide help.[/quote]

Agreed, I like to “disclaim” my advice, but Ill still give an answer.

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Ok so I was completely wrong. The the OP is NOT the guy in the avatar. My bad everyone. I’m not sure what I was thinking.

OP youre a loser for pretending that picture is you. No one respects a fraud.

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Gains are easy the first year. Hell you could just walk into a gym and stare at weights and put on mass.

  1. Eat carbs. Glycogen makes up a pretty good percentage of muscle mass. 100g post-workout.
  2. Train 5 days a week instead of 6. I’d go 5 on, 2 off: Legs, Chest, Back, Shoulders, Arms.
  3. Eat more food. 20xBW for starters. More if needed.

Just my opinion. Plus you’re 27, not 17.

Alan