Conservatives Hate Thinking

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
121

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

2 people
$120,000 gross[/quote]

At 120k gross your taxable income would come in closer to 100k, but for the sake of your example, I will take 120k as taxable.

$22,250 or 18.5%

Keep in mind Obama lowered the % in 2011, and in 2012.

$4,642 or 3.85%

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.pdf

I don’t work in AZ, so assuming the highest rate:

$5,448 or 4.54%

all told:

$32,340 or 26.95% of your taxable income.

[quote]another point of disparity is SS Tax the cut off point is a huge disparity
[/quote]

whole new thread, lol.

SS is insane on many levels. And yes, because it has to in order to work, it hurts the same people the most that it helps the most.

122

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

2 people
$120,000 gross[/quote]

At 120k gross your taxable income would come in closer to 100k, but for the sake of your example, I will take 120k as taxable.

$22,250 or 18.5%

I am demonstrating the disparity.

Bush saved himself $2.5 million

out of curiosity what did Bush save me ?

Keep in mind Obama lowered the % in 2011, and in 2012.

$4,642 or 3.85%

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.pdf

I don’t work in AZ, so assuming the highest rate:

$5,448 or 4.54%

all told:

$32,340 or 26.95% of your taxable income.

[quote]another point of disparity is SS Tax the cut off point is a huge disparity
[/quote]

whole new thread, lol.

SS is insane on many levels. And yes, because it has to in order to work, it hurts the same people the most that it helps the most. [/quote]

I am demonstrating the disparity.

Bush saved himself $2.5 million

out of curiosity what did Bush save me ?

123

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I am demonstrating the disparity.[/quote]

Again, if living off of long term cap gains and qualified dividends is so easy, feel free. No one is stopping you. In fact the IRS is encouraging it.

And if you moved to a different state like Texas, New Hampshire or Florida, you’d save that tax.

We can talk about phantom income if you’d like.

you saved the reverse of this.

124

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]jnd wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]jnd wrote:

[quote]TLDR: Conservatives like low-effort thought and Science is witchcraft.
[/quote]

It does not say that conservatives “like” low-effort thought. It says that when people are engaged in low-effort mental processing this promotes politically conservative thoughts, not that political conservatives use low-effort thinking. No need to overstate the result to make your point.

The fact that conservatives propagate lies linking abortion to mental health difficulties (and increased breast cancer risks), and support abstinence-only education is far more damning than this study. Also cannot forget the new gem that women do not get pregnant via “legitimate” rape.

It is just sad how so many people wantonly ignore clear scientific results.

jnd[/quote]

I don’t know anything about claims of abortion affecting mental health difficulties. You’ll have to provide documentation for that gem; however, there is an increased risk of breast cancer when one uses the Pill! I’d have to see documentation for that claim, as well.

However, the last one is blatantly out of context and an actual misquote of Senate Hopeful Akin and ignores the fact that he apologized and said he mixed up his words.

I find it is the left-wing nuts like you that are guilty of the low thought, if by low thought I mean patently false and indefensible by any normal standard of debate.[/quote]

Didn’t realize I was a left wing nut guilty of low thought.

Akin is a tool who got caught expressing his fucked up view of the world. Mixed up his words??? If you want to give him a pass because you want to believe that he is a good christian man that’s on you. This leftwing low thinker likes that he won’t get out of the race.

If you have google use it. I won’t do your research for you. BTW there are about 1.7 million links when you search abortion and breast cancer link.

jnd[/quote]

You want me to produce your own documented sources for you? Lol. That’s not how it works. I’m sure that method worked good with your teachers in school.

Your teacher, “Where is your bibliography or references?”
You, “I won’t do your research for you.”

Listen up, it is not my research. You made a CLAIM, you show EVIDENCE. Otherwise…I just assume since you can’t produce documented sources for your claims you are making false claims and don’t know what you’re talking about.[/quote]

Your premise about sources is true if you were the teacher, and you are clearly not… I will not wasted my time doing this research for you. The lies are out there linking abortion and breast cancer, they are propagated by right wing conservative lunatics, and this is not something that you can deny by pretending that it does not exist.

The fact that you are frightened to see how SOME (thanks to beans) right wing conservative lunatics try and scare people with fake science is your problem.

jnd

125

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Percentage Change in After-Tax Income
Cash Income
(in thousands of 2009 dollars) 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Less than 10 0.1% 0.1% 0.1% 0.1% 5.1% 0.1% 0.1% 0.1% 0.1%
10-20 1.0% 1.0% 1.1% 1.0% 4.5% 1.0% 1.0% 1.0% 0.8%
20-30 2.6% 2.6% 2.5% 2.4% 5.4% 2.5% 2.4% 2.4% 2.2%
30-40 2.7% 2.8% 2.7% 2.6% 5.2% 2.8% 2.7% 2.7% 2.4%
40-50 2.6% 2.5% 2.4% 2.5% 4.7% 2.6% 2.5% 2.5% 2.2%
50-75 2.6% 2.6% 2.6% 2.6% 4.6% 2.8% 2.7% 2.7% 2.3%
75-100 2.9% 2.9% 2.9% 3.1% 4.8% 3.2% 3.2% 3.2% 2.8%
100-200 3.8% 3.8% 3.9% 4.0% 5.1% 4.3% 4.2% 4.2% 3.6%
200-500 3.4% 3.4% 3.8% 3.9% 4.0% 4.1% 4.3% 4.3% 3.6%
500-1,000 3.9% 4.0% 4.2% 4.2% 4.3% 4.3% 5.0% 5.0% 3.8%
More than 1,000 6.0% 6.0% 6.3% 6.1% 6.2% 6.0% 7.3% 7.3% 6.3%[/quote]

@ Pat I will quit taking mine if every one quits taking theirs . and again it clearly shows a disparity in the value of my dollar compared to Mitt’s or Goerge’s
[/quote]

You are falling for the same mindless class warfare ideology that has destroyed Europe. The tax code is designed to encourage people with money (ie Romney) to invest it in ways that will benefit society by giving them tax breaks. One of the benefits is people who aren’t smart or wealthy can get gainful employment.

Criticizing someone like Romney for being smart enough to take advantage of those tax breaks to get ahead in life is insane.

[/quote]

Do you have a problem presenting a point with out vitriol ? There is nothing mindless about my post . And most people in America would call me wealthy .
[/quote]

I say you are being mindless because you keep repeating the rhetoric of class warfare. Rhetoric that is so fundamentally flawed that one does not need to engage in a deep level of thinking to see the flaws.

My point about the tax code remains and you have not addressed it. Yet this is a real sim0ple concept. People who are higher earners have income that is above and beyond what they need for basic survival. They face a dilemma of what to do with the extra money they have. They don’t want to blow it all on toys and high living or maybe they are wealthy enough that they have all the toys but still have money left over.

If the just stash it away in a bank account or better yet a vault under their mansion, their money is safe. But it doesn’t do any good for the rest of society for that potential investment capital to be locked away doing nothing. That is why the tax code has provisions to encourage investment so that money is put into circulation and puts people to work.

Your percentage chart shows that this system is working, the way it’s supposed to and this is a good thing. Because if we didn’t have this system, investment money would be pulled out of the economy and everyone would be hurting except for the guy who can afford to have a vault under his mansion.

Yet despite the fact that this system encourages investment and economic growth which benefits everyone, you whine about it as if it’s a bad thing. So that is why I say you are being mindless. You are reciting rhetoric without thinking about why things are the way they are and seeing both sides. The only side you are seeing is the class warfare side.

126

[quote]Sifu wrote:

If they just stash it away in a bank account or better yet a vault under their mansion, [/quote]

Or send it to foreign markets where the citizens don’t hate rich people, appreciate the opportunity to have some freedom and would risk their life to be as rich and free as the poor in America are.

127

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Percentage Change in After-Tax Income
Cash Income
(in thousands of 2009 dollars) 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Less than 10 0.1% 0.1% 0.1% 0.1% 5.1% 0.1% 0.1% 0.1% 0.1%
10-20 1.0% 1.0% 1.1% 1.0% 4.5% 1.0% 1.0% 1.0% 0.8%
20-30 2.6% 2.6% 2.5% 2.4% 5.4% 2.5% 2.4% 2.4% 2.2%
30-40 2.7% 2.8% 2.7% 2.6% 5.2% 2.8% 2.7% 2.7% 2.4%
40-50 2.6% 2.5% 2.4% 2.5% 4.7% 2.6% 2.5% 2.5% 2.2%
50-75 2.6% 2.6% 2.6% 2.6% 4.6% 2.8% 2.7% 2.7% 2.3%
75-100 2.9% 2.9% 2.9% 3.1% 4.8% 3.2% 3.2% 3.2% 2.8%
100-200 3.8% 3.8% 3.9% 4.0% 5.1% 4.3% 4.2% 4.2% 3.6%
200-500 3.4% 3.4% 3.8% 3.9% 4.0% 4.1% 4.3% 4.3% 3.6%
500-1,000 3.9% 4.0% 4.2% 4.2% 4.3% 4.3% 5.0% 5.0% 3.8%
More than 1,000 6.0% 6.0% 6.3% 6.1% 6.2% 6.0% 7.3% 7.3% 6.3%[/quote]

@ Pat I will quit taking mine if every one quits taking theirs . and again it clearly shows a disparity in the value of my dollar compared to Mitt’s or Goerge’s
[/quote]

You are falling for the same mindless class warfare ideology that has destroyed Europe. The tax code is designed to encourage people with money (ie Romney) to invest it in ways that will benefit society by giving them tax breaks. One of the benefits is people who aren’t smart or wealthy can get gainful employment.

Criticizing someone like Romney for being smart enough to take advantage of those tax breaks to get ahead in life is insane.

[/quote]

Do you have a problem presenting a point with out vitriol ? There is nothing mindless about my post . And most people in America would call me wealthy .
[/quote]

I say you are being mindless because you keep repeating the rhetoric of class warfare. Rhetoric that is so fundamentally flawed that one does not need to engage in a deep level of thinking to see the flaws.

My point about the tax code remains and you have not addressed it. Yet this is a real sim0ple concept. People who are higher earners have income that is above and beyond what they need for basic survival. They face a dilemma of what to do with the extra money they have. They don’t want to blow it all on toys and high living or maybe they are wealthy enough that they have all the toys but still have money left over.

If the just stash it away in a bank account or better yet a vault under their mansion, their money is safe. But it doesn’t do any good for the rest of society for that potential investment capital to be locked away doing nothing. That is why the tax code has provisions to encourage investment so that money is put into circulation and puts people to work.

Your percentage chart shows that this system is working, the way it’s supposed to and this is a good thing. Because if we didn’t have this system, investment money would be pulled out of the economy and everyone would be hurting except for the guy who can afford to have a vault under his mansion.

Yet despite the fact that this system encourages investment and economic growth which benefits everyone, you whine about it as if it’s a bad thing. So that is why I say you are being mindless. You are reciting rhetoric without thinking about why things are the way they are and seeing both sides. The only side you are seeing is the class warfare side. [/quote]

Do me a favor tell me the rhetoric I keep repeating and label it please

Ask me you simple question that I have not addressed and keep it separate from the other writing.

Please keep it simple , Thanks .

128

[quote]jnd wrote:
Your premise about sources is true if you were the teacher, and you are clearly not… I will not wasted my time doing this research for you. The lies are out there linking abortion and breast cancer, they are propagated by right wing conservative lunatics, and this is not something that you can deny by pretending that it does not exist.

The fact that you are frightened to see how SOME (thanks to beans) right wing conservative lunatics try and scare people with fake science is your problem.

jnd[/quote]

My premise is true always. You make a claim you prove it. I can search all day and not find what you’re talking about including using google. All you have to do is produce a substantive documented source that proves your claim. I can’t do that for you. It’s not only not feasible (where would I look? In what journal would I use? I don’t have your history of sources) that’s also not the order of debate.

Sure, if I was heavily invested in the topic and I had already seen common sources used by one side I would know a few or at least their names to say this is your source of information. However, I don’t. I’m rather new at the topic of abortion and breast cancer. I know about the pill and breast cancer, but not the former topic (though one can reasonably claim that using the pill and abortion are one in the same as the pill is an abortifacient).

I always assume that when someone makes a claim that is after somewhat exhaustive research. I never made the claim that breast cancer and abortion are linked. I just asked for a source. So it would be most reasonable in a debate that the one making the claim gives the source.

But, what do I know. That is just my opinion, I guess.

129

[quote]jnd wrote:
Your premise about sources is true if you were the teacher, and you are clearly not… I will not wasted my time doing this research for you. The lies are out there linking abortion and breast cancer, they are propagated by right wing conservative lunatics, and this is not something that you can deny by pretending that it does not exist.

The fact that you are frightened to see how SOME (thanks to beans) right wing conservative lunatics try and scare people with fake science is your problem.

jnd[/quote]

I think he has moved past being one to get their information from those lunatics and is now one of them.

130

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I have to admit I have never tried to buy a boat slip, I will bet it is paid to private enterprise ? [/quote]

Those local enterprises pay quite a bit to the local government to get the slips, and those slips are worth more, sometimes, than the property attached to them. COme to Nantucket.

That is a lie Pitt. You have been lied to.

Do the math, the highest you can pay on taxable income of 99k (which will be atleast 8k lower than your salary, at least) is 22%.

You don’t get near 30% range until you are making around 380k as a single tax payer… That is the top 1%.

[/quote]

True, I am middle class my total fed withholding is around 11%, that’s for SS and medicare included.[/quote]

I feel really bad for you Pat. But last year I paid in excess of 60% in federal, state. local and property taxes.

And OBAMA RAMA WANTS MORE!

I keep looking for the hidden camera when he says crap like “the rich don’t pay their fair share.” I keep thinking that it has to be a joke and I’m on some kind of reality TV show maybe something like “The Truman Show” where everyone knows it’s a reality show except one guy.

But…um no he’s for real pandering to people like Pittbull who eat up the lies and go vote for a democrat.

This class warfare stuff is very powerful. It’s beneath the office of the President to divide a country but it is powerful.

131

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
out of curiosity what did Bush save me ?
[/quote]

Yawn…every American taxpayer recieved a 5% tax reduction. If someone made 1 million he saved 50-k. If someone else made 50-k then he saved $2,500.

All quite fair. And apparently Obama thought it was such a good plan he extended the Bush tax cuts.

132

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I have to admit I have never tried to buy a boat slip, I will bet it is paid to private enterprise ? [/quote]

Those local enterprises pay quite a bit to the local government to get the slips, and those slips are worth more, sometimes, than the property attached to them. COme to Nantucket.

That is a lie Pitt. You have been lied to.

Do the math, the highest you can pay on taxable income of 99k (which will be atleast 8k lower than your salary, at least) is 22%.

You don’t get near 30% range until you are making around 380k as a single tax payer… That is the top 1%.

[/quote]

True, I am middle class my total fed withholding is around 11%, that’s for SS and medicare included.[/quote]

I feel really bad for you Pat. But last year I paid in excess of 60% in federal, state. local and property taxes.

And OBAMA RAMA WANTS MORE!

I keep looking for the hidden camera when he says crap like “the rich don’t pay their fair share.” I keep thinking that it has to be a joke and I’m on some kind of reality TV show maybe something like “The Truman Show” where everyone knows it’s a reality show except one guy.

But…um no he’s for real pandering to people like Pittbull who eat up the lies and go vote for a democrat.

This class warfare stuff is very powerful. It’s beneath the office of the President to divide a country but it is powerful.
[/quote]

Zeb I do not think anyone should pay %60 , maybe you need to talk to Beans , I am apposed to billionaires paying 13% or less when working people like you pay %60

133

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Percentage Change in After-Tax Income
Cash Income
(in thousands of 2009 dollars) 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Less than 10 0.1% 0.1% 0.1% 0.1% 5.1% 0.1% 0.1% 0.1% 0.1%
10-20 1.0% 1.0% 1.1% 1.0% 4.5% 1.0% 1.0% 1.0% 0.8%
20-30 2.6% 2.6% 2.5% 2.4% 5.4% 2.5% 2.4% 2.4% 2.2%
30-40 2.7% 2.8% 2.7% 2.6% 5.2% 2.8% 2.7% 2.7% 2.4%
40-50 2.6% 2.5% 2.4% 2.5% 4.7% 2.6% 2.5% 2.5% 2.2%
50-75 2.6% 2.6% 2.6% 2.6% 4.6% 2.8% 2.7% 2.7% 2.3%
75-100 2.9% 2.9% 2.9% 3.1% 4.8% 3.2% 3.2% 3.2% 2.8%
100-200 3.8% 3.8% 3.9% 4.0% 5.1% 4.3% 4.2% 4.2% 3.6%
200-500 3.4% 3.4% 3.8% 3.9% 4.0% 4.1% 4.3% 4.3% 3.6%
500-1,000 3.9% 4.0% 4.2% 4.2% 4.3% 4.3% 5.0% 5.0% 3.8%
More than 1,000 6.0% 6.0% 6.3% 6.1% 6.2% 6.0% 7.3% 7.3% 6.3%[/quote]

@ Pat I will quit taking mine if every one quits taking theirs . and again it clearly shows a disparity in the value of my dollar compared to Mitt’s or Goerge’s
[/quote]

You are falling for the same mindless class warfare ideology that has destroyed Europe. The tax code is designed to encourage people with money (ie Romney) to invest it in ways that will benefit society by giving them tax breaks. One of the benefits is people who aren’t smart or wealthy can get gainful employment.

Criticizing someone like Romney for being smart enough to take advantage of those tax breaks to get ahead in life is insane.

[/quote]

Do you have a problem presenting a point with out vitriol ? There is nothing mindless about my post . And most people in America would call me wealthy .
[/quote]

I say you are being mindless because you keep repeating the rhetoric of class warfare. Rhetoric that is so fundamentally flawed that one does not need to engage in a deep level of thinking to see the flaws.

My point about the tax code remains and you have not addressed it. Yet this is a real sim0ple concept. People who are higher earners have income that is above and beyond what they need for basic survival. They face a dilemma of what to do with the extra money they have. They don’t want to blow it all on toys and high living or maybe they are wealthy enough that they have all the toys but still have money left over.

If the just stash it away in a bank account or better yet a vault under their mansion, their money is safe. But it doesn’t do any good for the rest of society for that potential investment capital to be locked away doing nothing. That is why the tax code has provisions to encourage investment so that money is put into circulation and puts people to work.

Your percentage chart shows that this system is working, the way it’s supposed to and this is a good thing. Because if we didn’t have this system, investment money would be pulled out of the economy and everyone would be hurting except for the guy who can afford to have a vault under his mansion.

Yet despite the fact that this system encourages investment and economic growth which benefits everyone, you whine about it as if it’s a bad thing. So that is why I say you are being mindless. You are reciting rhetoric without thinking about why things are the way they are and seeing both sides. The only side you are seeing is the class warfare side. [/quote]

Well said as usual Sifu.

134

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I have to admit I have never tried to buy a boat slip, I will bet it is paid to private enterprise ? [/quote]

Those local enterprises pay quite a bit to the local government to get the slips, and those slips are worth more, sometimes, than the property attached to them. COme to Nantucket.

That is a lie Pitt. You have been lied to.

Do the math, the highest you can pay on taxable income of 99k (which will be atleast 8k lower than your salary, at least) is 22%.

You don’t get near 30% range until you are making around 380k as a single tax payer… That is the top 1%.

[/quote]

True, I am middle class my total fed withholding is around 11%, that’s for SS and medicare included.[/quote]

I feel really bad for you Pat. But last year I paid in excess of 60% in federal, state. local and property taxes.

And OBAMA RAMA WANTS MORE!

I keep looking for the hidden camera when he says crap like “the rich don’t pay their fair share.” I keep thinking that it has to be a joke and I’m on some kind of reality TV show maybe something like “The Truman Show” where everyone knows it’s a reality show except one guy.

But…um no he’s for real pandering to people like Pittbull who eat up the lies and go vote for a democrat.

This class warfare stuff is very powerful. It’s beneath the office of the President to divide a country but it is powerful.
[/quote]

Zeb I do not think anyone should pay %60 , maybe you need to talk to Beans , I am apposed to billionaires paying 13% or less when working people like you pay %60
[/quote]

Fine, but what you don’t understand for some odd reason is that people like me who have worked hard all their lives and happen to have made decent money ARE THE ONES THAT OBAMA IS PUNISHING!

The few hundred of the very, very wealthy have the loopholes and will not be touched by a 5% tax hike.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS PITT!!

And that’s why the top 1% are paying 37% of all taxes. They’re not ducking them they are paying them!

So let’s not punish such a large group of people for a few hundred of the very wealthy that might be getting away without paying their fair share.

135

Obama’s whole class warfare tripe is such bullshit. Through and through. First of all, the stupid catch phrase ‘fair share’ is extremely nebulous. What the F is that supposed to mean anyway? There’s no definition. Is it a percentage? A dollar amount? Doesn’t matter because there are so many other factors to consider. It’s just a meaningless phrase designed to stir up a false sense of injustice.

Then, people cry because some corporation or individual didn’t pay taxes because of all the income tax credits set up by the government (AKA loopholes to some). As a previous poster said, those tax credits were put there – on purpose – so that money is funneled into areas that the government deems are beneficial to society. You would think the F-en commies would like that! But no!

It’s a sad sad day in America when people in the government and their knuckheaded minions attempt to shame and marginalize successful people (I dare not say the r-i-c-h word). I would never vote for anyone that goes down that path.

136

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Obama’s whole class warfare tripe is such bullshit. Through and through. First of all, the stupid catch phrase ‘fair share’ is extremely nebulous. What the F is that supposed to mean anyway? There’s no definition. Is it a percentage? A dollar amount? Doesn’t matter because there are so many other factors to consider. It’s just a meaningless phase designed to stir up a false sense of injustice.

Then, people cry because some corporation or individual didn’t pay taxes because of all the income tax credits set up by the government (AKA loopholes to some). As a previous poster said, those tax credits were put there – on purpose – so that money is funneled into areas that the government deems are beneficial to society. You would think the F-en commies would like that! But no!

It’s a sad sad day in America when people in the government and their knuckheaded minions attempt to shame and marginalize successful people (I dare not say the r-i-c-h word). I would never vote for anyone that goes down that path. [/quote]

Good post.

137
138

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I have to admit I have never tried to buy a boat slip, I will bet it is paid to private enterprise ? [/quote]

Those local enterprises pay quite a bit to the local government to get the slips, and those slips are worth more, sometimes, than the property attached to them. COme to Nantucket.

That is a lie Pitt. You have been lied to.

Do the math, the highest you can pay on taxable income of 99k (which will be atleast 8k lower than your salary, at least) is 22%.

You don’t get near 30% range until you are making around 380k as a single tax payer… That is the top 1%.

[/quote]

True, I am middle class my total fed withholding is around 11%, that’s for SS and medicare included.[/quote]

I feel really bad for you Pat. But last year I paid in excess of 60% in federal, state. local and property taxes.

And OBAMA RAMA WANTS MORE!

I keep looking for the hidden camera when he says crap like “the rich don’t pay their fair share.” I keep thinking that it has to be a joke and I’m on some kind of reality TV show maybe something like “The Truman Show” where everyone knows it’s a reality show except one guy.

But…um no he’s for real pandering to people like Pittbull who eat up the lies and go vote for a democrat.

This class warfare stuff is very powerful. It’s beneath the office of the President to divide a country but it is powerful.
[/quote]

Zeb I do not think anyone should pay %60 , maybe you need to talk to Beans , I am apposed to billionaires paying 13% or less when working people like you pay %60
[/quote]

Fine, but what you don’t understand for some odd reason is that people like me who have worked hard all their lives and happen to have made decent money ARE THE ONES THAT OBAMA IS PUNISHING!

The few hundred of the very, very wealthy have the loopholes and will not be touched by a 5% tax hike.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS PITT!!

And that’s why the top 1% are paying 37% of all taxes. They’re not ducking them they are paying them!

So let’s not punish such a large group of people for a few hundred of the very wealthy that might be getting away without paying their fair share. [/quote]

I know many people in all tax brackets I know no one paying 60% I would have to say there has to be something you can do . I personally see no Class Warfare from Obama . All he wants to do is resend the Bush tax cuts that were supposed to be temporary . Because George found himself in the same situation as Clinton(Meaning a booming economy) and he cut taxes rather than pay down America’s debt

Zeb there are may that make all their money in capital gains .I have a friend that retired in the Real estate boom then moved to Panama . He said he never payed even close to %14.

139

Dear Mr Maher;

What you are going through a lot of trouble trying to describe is called a job, working. Yes I have one, yes the people I work for have more money than me, and guess what, I earn the shit out of the money they give me for helping them, so they have no problem giving me some.

But please, continue to get rich off the backs of people that have less than you, who show up to your comedy shows, spend money they don’t have on an over priced ticket, to line your pockets, all while decrying those doing the same thing you are.

But keep in mind, the services I provide, the value I add, is expensive. So as you sit there pretending you aren’t who you are, thinking your views are enlightened and make you better than me, I have something your money, your opinions and your comedy could never buy you, integrity.

So enjoy your day, tell Jon Stewart and Mr Moore and his chins I said hi, and see all three of you in April when you beg for my help to count the money that makes you the 1%.

140

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Because George found himself in the same situation as Clinton(Meaning a booming economy).[/quote]

You mean after 9/11, or when he sent us all $1,500 as a simulus?