[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Because George found himself in the same situation as Clinton(Meaning a booming economy).[/quote]
You mean after 9/11, or when he sent us all $1,500 as a simulus?[/quote]
Funny you mention 9-11 , I met people that made a boat load of money of that incident. Then the Government did not want to give 1rst responders a dime or even proper health care
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]jnd wrote:
Your premise about sources is true if you were the teacher, and you are clearly not… I will not wasted my time doing this research for you. The lies are out there linking abortion and breast cancer, they are propagated by right wing conservative lunatics, and this is not something that you can deny by pretending that it does not exist.
The fact that you are frightened to see how SOME (thanks to beans) right wing conservative lunatics try and scare people with fake science is your problem.
jnd[/quote]
I think he has moved past being one to get their information from those lunatics and is now one of them.[/quote]
Yes, on to the name calling. Slowing down time wise though…won’t be able to get your merit badge at the next pinko meeting if you don’t get quicker on the non-sequitor’s.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Because George found himself in the same situation as Clinton(Meaning a booming economy).[/quote]
You mean after 9/11, or when he sent us all $1,500 as a simulus?[/quote]
Funny you mention 9-11 , I met people that made a boat load of money of that incident. Then the Government did not want to give 1rst responders a dime or even proper health care
[/quote]
Calling bullshit here, on your second comment. Because I can.
I work for a company that was very (very) involved in the first response and the subsequent clean-up project. As you can imagine, there was an absolute explosion in personal injury lawsuits filed against everyone and anyone (private & public entities). Our CEO and the CEOs of various insurance companies (and others) had to testify before Congress and request that the Gov’t step in with relief (which they did, eventually).
Was there a delay in payouts? sometimes. Some people had to wait until the big settlement with the Feds.
Did some people make money? Sure. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MAKING MONEY!!! Especially in a high risk situation regarding the aftermath of 9-11. Ever hear of ‘higher risk, higher return’? Most people ran home and hid under their covers after 9-11. Some people ran to Ground Zero to help take care of business. They shouldn’t make money???
Looky there Sweety, you n I agree on sumthin.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to admit I have never tried to buy a boat slip, I will bet it is paid to private enterprise ? [/quote]
Those local enterprises pay quite a bit to the local government to get the slips, and those slips are worth more, sometimes, than the property attached to them. COme to Nantucket.
That is a lie Pitt. You have been lied to.
Do the math, the highest you can pay on taxable income of 99k (which will be atleast 8k lower than your salary, at least) is 22%.
You don’t get near 30% range until you are making around 380k as a single tax payer… That is the top 1%.
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True, I am middle class my total fed withholding is around 11%, that’s for SS and medicare included.[/quote]
I feel really bad for you Pat. But last year I paid in excess of 60% in federal, state. local and property taxes.
And OBAMA RAMA WANTS MORE!
I keep looking for the hidden camera when he says crap like “the rich don’t pay their fair share.” I keep thinking that it has to be a joke and I’m on some kind of reality TV show maybe something like “The Truman Show” where everyone knows it’s a reality show except one guy.
But…um no he’s for real pandering to people like Pittbull who eat up the lies and go vote for a democrat.
This class warfare stuff is very powerful. It’s beneath the office of the President to divide a country but it is powerful.
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We were talking Fed alone. Certainly if I calculated all my taxes the rate would be much higher, though 60% seems a bit much. Of course you start calculating things like property, ad valorem, sales, etc. The rate goes much, much higher.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Dear Mr Maher;
What you are going through a lot of trouble trying to describe is called a job, working. Yes I have one, yes the people I work for have more money than me, and guess what, I earn the shit out of the money they give me for helping them, so they have no problem giving me some.
But please, continue to get rich off the backs of people that have less than you, who show up to your comedy shows, spend money they don’t have on an over priced ticket, to line your pockets, all while decrying those doing the same thing you are.
But keep in mind, the services I provide, the value I add, is expensive. So as you sit there pretending you aren’t who you are, thinking your views are enlightened and make you better than me, I have something your money, your opinions and your comedy could never buy you, integrity.
So enjoy your day, tell Jon Stewart and Mr Moore and his chins I said hi, and see all three of you in April when you beg for my help to count the money that makes you the 1%.
[/quote]
Maher is a tool. He’s not even funny, so I don’t get the attraction at all.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
out of curiosity what did Bush save me ?
[/quote]
Yawn…every American taxpayer recieved a 5% tax reduction. If someone made 1 million he saved 50-k. If someone else made 50-k then he saved $2,500.
All quite fair. And apparently Obama thought it was such a good plan he extended the Bush tax cuts.
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And he will again. All this tripe he is peddling is about getting reelected. He’s not raising taxes on anybody and he is not going to let the cuts expire because it would an absolute disaster and he knows it.
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Because George found himself in the same situation as Clinton(Meaning a booming economy).[/quote]
You mean after 9/11, or when he sent us all $1,500 as a simulus?[/quote]
Funny you mention 9-11 , I met people that made a boat load of money of that incident. Then the Government did not want to give 1rst responders a dime or even proper health care
[/quote]
Calling bullshit here, on your second comment. Because I can.
I work for a company that was very (very) involved in the first response and the subsequent clean-up project. As you can imagine, there was an absolute explosion in personal injury lawsuits filed against everyone and anyone (private & public entities). Our CEO and the CEOs of various insurance companies (and others) had to testify before Congress and request that the Gov’t step in with relief (which they did, eventually).
Was there a delay in payouts? sometimes. Some people had to wait until the big settlement with the Feds.
Did some people make money? Sure. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MAKING MONEY!!! Especially in a high risk situation regarding the aftermath of 9-11. Ever hear of ‘higher risk, higher return’? Most people ran home and hid under their covers after 9-11. Some people ran to Ground Zero to help take care of business. They shouldn’t make money??? [/quote]
If you are calling bullshit on that 1rst responders were not given proper healthcare , you will have to redirect it to that left leaning liberal rag of 60 minutes .
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to admit I have never tried to buy a boat slip, I will bet it is paid to private enterprise ? [/quote]
Those local enterprises pay quite a bit to the local government to get the slips, and those slips are worth more, sometimes, than the property attached to them. COme to Nantucket.
That is a lie Pitt. You have been lied to.
Do the math, the highest you can pay on taxable income of 99k (which will be atleast 8k lower than your salary, at least) is 22%.
You don’t get near 30% range until you are making around 380k as a single tax payer… That is the top 1%.
[/quote]
True, I am middle class my total fed withholding is around 11%, that’s for SS and medicare included.[/quote]
I feel really bad for you Pat. But last year I paid in excess of 60% in federal, state. local and property taxes.
And OBAMA RAMA WANTS MORE!
I keep looking for the hidden camera when he says crap like “the rich don’t pay their fair share.” I keep thinking that it has to be a joke and I’m on some kind of reality TV show maybe something like “The Truman Show” where everyone knows it’s a reality show except one guy.
But…um no he’s for real pandering to people like Pittbull who eat up the lies and go vote for a democrat.
This class warfare stuff is very powerful. It’s beneath the office of the President to divide a country but it is powerful.
[/quote]
Zeb I do not think anyone should pay %60 , maybe you need to talk to Beans , I am apposed to billionaires paying 13% or less when working people like you pay %60
[/quote]
Fine, but what you don’t understand for some odd reason is that people like me who have worked hard all their lives and happen to have made decent money ARE THE ONES THAT OBAMA IS PUNISHING!
The few hundred of the very, very wealthy have the loopholes and will not be touched by a 5% tax hike.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS PITT!!
And that’s why the top 1% are paying 37% of all taxes. They’re not ducking them they are paying them!
So let’s not punish such a large group of people for a few hundred of the very wealthy that might be getting away without paying their fair share. [/quote]
I know many people in all tax brackets I know no one paying 60% I would have to say there has to be something you can do . I personally see no Class Warfare from Obama . All he wants to do is resend the Bush tax cuts that were supposed to be temporary . Because George found himself in the same situation as Clinton(Meaning a booming economy) and he cut taxes rather than pay down America’s debt
Zeb there are may that make all their money in capital gains .I have a friend that retired in the Real estate boom then moved to Panama . He said he never payed even close to %14.[/quote]
I am talking about income tax, not investment taxes. By the way if you buy a stock and immediately trade, some call that “day trading” you pay 50% in taxes on the profit of that stock.
As for long term investments there is no reason to have a higher than 15% tax on such things.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to admit I have never tried to buy a boat slip, I will bet it is paid to private enterprise ? [/quote]
Those local enterprises pay quite a bit to the local government to get the slips, and those slips are worth more, sometimes, than the property attached to them. COme to Nantucket.
That is a lie Pitt. You have been lied to.
Do the math, the highest you can pay on taxable income of 99k (which will be atleast 8k lower than your salary, at least) is 22%.
You don’t get near 30% range until you are making around 380k as a single tax payer… That is the top 1%.
[/quote]
True, I am middle class my total fed withholding is around 11%, that’s for SS and medicare included.[/quote]
I feel really bad for you Pat. But last year I paid in excess of 60% in federal, state. local and property taxes.
And OBAMA RAMA WANTS MORE!
I keep looking for the hidden camera when he says crap like “the rich don’t pay their fair share.” I keep thinking that it has to be a joke and I’m on some kind of reality TV show maybe something like “The Truman Show” where everyone knows it’s a reality show except one guy.
But…um no he’s for real pandering to people like Pittbull who eat up the lies and go vote for a democrat.
This class warfare stuff is very powerful. It’s beneath the office of the President to divide a country but it is powerful.
[/quote]
Zeb I do not think anyone should pay %60 , maybe you need to talk to Beans , I am apposed to billionaires paying 13% or less when working people like you pay %60
[/quote]
Fine, but what you don’t understand for some odd reason is that people like me who have worked hard all their lives and happen to have made decent money ARE THE ONES THAT OBAMA IS PUNISHING!
The few hundred of the very, very wealthy have the loopholes and will not be touched by a 5% tax hike.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS PITT!!
And that’s why the top 1% are paying 37% of all taxes. They’re not ducking them they are paying them!
So let’s not punish such a large group of people for a few hundred of the very wealthy that might be getting away without paying their fair share. [/quote]
I know many people in all tax brackets I know no one paying 60% I would have to say there has to be something you can do . I personally see no Class Warfare from Obama . All he wants to do is resend the Bush tax cuts that were supposed to be temporary . Because George found himself in the same situation as Clinton(Meaning a booming economy) and he cut taxes rather than pay down America’s debt
Zeb there are may that make all their money in capital gains .I have a friend that retired in the Real estate boom then moved to Panama . He said he never payed even close to %14.[/quote]
I am talking about income tax, not investment taxes. By the way if you buy a stock and immediately trade, some call that “day trading” you pay 50% in taxes on the profit of that stock.
As for long term investments there is no reason to have a higher than 15% tax on such things.
[/quote]
OH you mean income tax from investments
It’s [quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to admit I have never tried to buy a boat slip, I will bet it is paid to private enterprise ? [/quote]
Those local enterprises pay quite a bit to the local government to get the slips, and those slips are worth more, sometimes, than the property attached to them. COme to Nantucket.
That is a lie Pitt. You have been lied to.
Do the math, the highest you can pay on taxable income of 99k (which will be atleast 8k lower than your salary, at least) is 22%.
You don’t get near 30% range until you are making around 380k as a single tax payer… That is the top 1%.
[/quote]
True, I am middle class my total fed withholding is around 11%, that’s for SS and medicare included.[/quote]
I feel really bad for you Pat. But last year I paid in excess of 60% in federal, state. local and property taxes.
And OBAMA RAMA WANTS MORE!
I keep looking for the hidden camera when he says crap like “the rich don’t pay their fair share.” I keep thinking that it has to be a joke and I’m on some kind of reality TV show maybe something like “The Truman Show” where everyone knows it’s a reality show except one guy.
But…um no he’s for real pandering to people like Pittbull who eat up the lies and go vote for a democrat.
This class warfare stuff is very powerful. It’s beneath the office of the President to divide a country but it is powerful.
[/quote]
Zeb I do not think anyone should pay %60 , maybe you need to talk to Beans , I am apposed to billionaires paying 13% or less when working people like you pay %60
[/quote]
Fine, but what you don’t understand for some odd reason is that people like me who have worked hard all their lives and happen to have made decent money ARE THE ONES THAT OBAMA IS PUNISHING!
The few hundred of the very, very wealthy have the loopholes and will not be touched by a 5% tax hike.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS PITT!!
And that’s why the top 1% are paying 37% of all taxes. They’re not ducking them they are paying them!
So let’s not punish such a large group of people for a few hundred of the very wealthy that might be getting away without paying their fair share. [/quote]
I know many people in all tax brackets I know no one paying 60% I would have to say there has to be something you can do . I personally see no Class Warfare from Obama . All he wants to do is resend the Bush tax cuts that were supposed to be temporary . Because George found himself in the same situation as Clinton(Meaning a booming economy) and he cut taxes rather than pay down America’s debt
Zeb there are may that make all their money in capital gains .I have a friend that retired in the Real estate boom then moved to Panama . He said he never payed even close to %14.[/quote]
I am talking about income tax, not investment taxes. By the way if you buy a stock and immediately trade, some call that “day trading” you pay 50% in taxes on the profit of that stock.
As for long term investments there is no reason to have a higher than 15% tax on such things.
[/quote]
OH you mean income tax from investments
[/quote]
It’s called capital gains tax and it is actually double taxation.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s [quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to admit I have never tried to buy a boat slip, I will bet it is paid to private enterprise ? [/quote]
Those local enterprises pay quite a bit to the local government to get the slips, and those slips are worth more, sometimes, than the property attached to them. COme to Nantucket.
That is a lie Pitt. You have been lied to.
Do the math, the highest you can pay on taxable income of 99k (which will be atleast 8k lower than your salary, at least) is 22%.
You don’t get near 30% range until you are making around 380k as a single tax payer… That is the top 1%.
[/quote]
True, I am middle class my total fed withholding is around 11%, that’s for SS and medicare included.[/quote]
I feel really bad for you Pat. But last year I paid in excess of 60% in federal, state. local and property taxes.
And OBAMA RAMA WANTS MORE!
I keep looking for the hidden camera when he says crap like “the rich don’t pay their fair share.” I keep thinking that it has to be a joke and I’m on some kind of reality TV show maybe something like “The Truman Show” where everyone knows it’s a reality show except one guy.
But…um no he’s for real pandering to people like Pittbull who eat up the lies and go vote for a democrat.
This class warfare stuff is very powerful. It’s beneath the office of the President to divide a country but it is powerful.
[/quote]
Zeb I do not think anyone should pay %60 , maybe you need to talk to Beans , I am apposed to billionaires paying 13% or less when working people like you pay %60
[/quote]
Fine, but what you don’t understand for some odd reason is that people like me who have worked hard all their lives and happen to have made decent money ARE THE ONES THAT OBAMA IS PUNISHING!
The few hundred of the very, very wealthy have the loopholes and will not be touched by a 5% tax hike.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS PITT!!
And that’s why the top 1% are paying 37% of all taxes. They’re not ducking them they are paying them!
So let’s not punish such a large group of people for a few hundred of the very wealthy that might be getting away without paying their fair share. [/quote]
I know many people in all tax brackets I know no one paying 60% I would have to say there has to be something you can do . I personally see no Class Warfare from Obama . All he wants to do is resend the Bush tax cuts that were supposed to be temporary . Because George found himself in the same situation as Clinton(Meaning a booming economy) and he cut taxes rather than pay down America’s debt
Zeb there are may that make all their money in capital gains .I have a friend that retired in the Real estate boom then moved to Panama . He said he never payed even close to %14.[/quote]
I am talking about income tax, not investment taxes. By the way if you buy a stock and immediately trade, some call that “day trading” you pay 50% in taxes on the profit of that stock.
As for long term investments there is no reason to have a higher than 15% tax on such things.
[/quote]
OH you mean income tax from investments
[/quote]
It’s called capital gains tax and it is actually double taxation. [/quote]
like starting a business your investment is not taxed just your income
Hey Pittbull…Are you one of those guys who thinks corporations are not people?
I felt sorry for Romney when that happened.
He probably thought he was in the special students section of a grammar school.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Looky there Sweety, you n I agree on sumthin. [/quote]
I think you must have misunderstood my post…
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Hey Pittbull…Are you one of those guys who thinks corporations are not people?
I felt sorry for Romney when that happened.
He probably thought he was in the special students section of a grammar school.[/quote]
You are right I am one of those people that think Corporations are corporations , not people .
With Mitt’s theory you could say Corporations are shit because everything that goes to Corporations goes to people and everything that goes to people goes to shit .
Pitt, a corporation is a group of people in the simplest terms.
Individuals that hold jobs with corporations are people, right?
Stockholders are people, right?
My grandmother gets a retirement check from a corporation.
The check got written by a person, right?
The money was earned by employee (person) labor, right?
A corporation is people in the same sense that other groups of individuals are people:
A baseball team is people.
Ms. McGillicutty’s 5th grade class are people.
The citizenry of a state are people.
The Senate is people.
American CEO’s are people
The American Bar Association are people
Network TV news anchors are people
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Pitt, a corporation is a group of people in the simplest terms.
Individuals that hold jobs with corporations are people, right?
Stockholders are people, right?
My grandmother gets a retirement check from a corporation.
The check got written by a person, right?
The money was earned by employee (person) labor, right?
A corporation is people in the same sense that other groups of individuals are people:
A baseball team is people.
Ms. McGillicutty’s 5th grade class are people.
The citizenry of a state are people.
The Senate is people.
American CEO’s are people
The American Bar Association are people
Network TV news anchors are people
[/quote]
So if your company files the paper work to become a corporation and the state turns it down for whatever reason, did they just perform an abortion?
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Ms. McGillicutty’s 5th grade class are people.
[/quote]
this one is true
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Ms. McGillicutty’s 5th grade class are people.
The citizenry of a state are people.
The Senate is people.
American CEO’s are people
The American Bar Association are people
Network TV news anchors are people
[/quote]
theses are true