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Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]
JD430 wrote:
I can’t imagine the place I would be in if my family member was a victim of these subhumans. How could we condemn a father who put a bullet in the head of someone who raped and murdered his child? If used properly, state execution removes the burden of vengeance from its citizens.

Mikeyali wrote:
So let’s not condemn that father as jurors. If my wife were murdered and the state executed him I would get no satisfaction. Let me go and string the fucker up. That would feel a wee bit better. Wouldn’t that be something? If we put a symbolic death sentence down and if a family member murdered him they would get off for it. Just an idea, but I might have something to work with here.

mike[/quote]

Unfortunately, that sort of thing has historically led to blood feuds. That’s actually one of the main bases for the vengeance theory of justification for capital punishment: the state, as “society,” takes up the cause of the victim and prosecutes and punishes the wrongdoer. In doing so, the state both co-opts the demand for vengeance and affirms the value of the victim.

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Lethal injection is too kind. A slow painful death is sometimes called for.

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Here’s the penalties for drunk driving in other countries. If you kill someone, the penalties are worse, like execution.

BULGARIA: A second conviction results in execution.

COSTA RICA: Police remove license plates from car.

EL SALVADOR: Your first offense is your last. Execution by firing squad.

ENGLAND: One-year suspension of license, a $250 fine and jail for one year.

FINLAND and SWEDEN: Automatic jail for one year at hard labor.

FRANCE: Three-year loss of license, one year in jail, $1,000 fine.

MALAYA: The driver is jailed. If he is married, his wife is jailed too.

NORWAY: Three weeks in jail at hard labor, one-year loss of license. If second offense within five years, license is revoked for life.

POLAND: Jail and fines, and forced attendance at political lectures.

RUSSIA: Revoked for life.

SOUTH AFRICA: A 10 year prison sentence and the equivalent of a $10,000 fine or both.

TURKEY: Drunk drivers are taken 20 miles from town by the police and are forced to walk back.

http://www.whatsdrivingyou.org/resources/reading_room/other_countries.html

Not many drunk driving deaths in these countries — deterrence works if harsh enough.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Here’s the penalties for drunk driving in other countries. If you kill someone, the penalties are worse, like execution.

BULGARIA: A second conviction results in execution.

COSTA RICA: Police remove license plates from car.

EL SALVADOR: Your first offense is your last. Execution by firing squad.

ENGLAND: One-year suspension of license, a $250 fine and jail for one year.

FINLAND and SWEDEN: Automatic jail for one year at hard labor.

FRANCE: Three-year loss of license, one year in jail, $1,000 fine.

MALAYA: The driver is jailed. If he is married, his wife is jailed too.

NORWAY: Three weeks in jail at hard labor, one-year loss of license. If second offense within five years, license is revoked for life.

POLAND: Jail and fines, and forced attendance at political lectures.

RUSSIA: Revoked for life.

SOUTH AFRICA: A 10 year prison sentence and the equivalent of a $10,000 fine or both.

TURKEY: Drunk drivers are taken 20 miles from town by the police and are forced to walk back.

http://www.whatsdrivingyou.org/resources/reading_room/other_countries.html

Not many drunk driving deaths in these countries — deterrence works if harsh enough.
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And here in the good old US instead of using stiffer penalties we create an unconstitutional system to hand out more misdemeanors. Thanks MADD!

I think a mandatory year or two in jail plus loss of license for at least 5 years would be an excellent deterrent.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
…And here in the good old US instead of using stiffer penalties we create an unconstitutional system to hand out more misdemeanors. Thanks MADD!

I think a mandatory year or two in jail plus loss of license for at least 5 years would be an excellent deterrent.
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How would people make money off of that?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
tedro wrote:
…And here in the good old US instead of using stiffer penalties we create an unconstitutional system to hand out more misdemeanors. Thanks MADD!

I think a mandatory year or two in jail plus loss of license for at least 5 years would be an excellent deterrent.

How would people make money off of that?[/quote]

Sad, but true. Going off topic a bit, but I would like to see stiffer penalties for moving violations and much tougher requirements to obtain a license. The roads would be much safer this way.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Here’s the penalties for drunk driving in other countries. If you kill someone, the penalties are worse, like execution.

BULGARIA: A second conviction results in execution.

COSTA RICA: Police remove license plates from car.

EL SALVADOR: Your first offense is your last. Execution by firing squad.

ENGLAND: One-year suspension of license, a $250 fine and jail for one year.

FINLAND and SWEDEN: Automatic jail for one year at hard labor.

FRANCE: Three-year loss of license, one year in jail, $1,000 fine.

MALAYA: The driver is jailed. If he is married, his wife is jailed too.

NORWAY: Three weeks in jail at hard labor, one-year loss of license. If second offense within five years, license is revoked for life.

POLAND: Jail and fines, and forced attendance at political lectures.

RUSSIA: Revoked for life.

SOUTH AFRICA: A 10 year prison sentence and the equivalent of a $10,000 fine or both.

TURKEY: Drunk drivers are taken 20 miles from town by the police and are forced to walk back.

http://www.whatsdrivingyou.org/resources/reading_room/other_countries.html

Not many drunk driving deaths in these countries — deterrence works if harsh enough.

And here in the good old US instead of using stiffer penalties we create an unconstitutional system to hand out more misdemeanors. Thanks MADD!

I think a mandatory year or two in jail plus loss of license for at least 5 years would be an excellent deterrent.
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Yeah, I just feel so free when I’ve got a flashlight in my face at a random checkpoint. Papers please.

mike

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I think this case shows pretty clearly what’s wrong with the death penalty - just happened today:

Richey hospitalised a day after death row reprieve

A British man who was due to be released today after spending 20 years on death row in the US has been taken to hospital suffering from chest pains.[…]

Clive Stafford-Smith of the British legal charity Reprieve, who has helped Richey’s legal case for 15 years, said: "This case epitomises what is wrong with the capital punishment system.

“An innocent man gets a death sentence because he had an incompetent lawyer at trial, his conviction is reversed two decades later, and then he has to enter a plea to avoid a second death sentence. It was the right thing to do - nobody can expect him to trust a system that already got it so terribly wrong - but it’s an insane process, nevertheless.”

Richey’s case attracted considerable support, and was described by Amnesty International as “one of the most compelling cases of apparent innocence human rights campaigners have ever seen.”[…]

Any other wrong conviction, you can reverse and somehow try to compensate for - the death penalty you can’t. That makes it unsafe and inhumane.

Makkun

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Here’s the penalties for drunk driving in other countries. If you kill someone, the penalties are worse, like execution.

BULGARIA: A second conviction results in execution.

COSTA RICA: Police remove license plates from car.

EL SALVADOR: Your first offense is your last. Execution by firing squad.

ENGLAND: One-year suspension of license, a $250 fine and jail for one year.

FINLAND and SWEDEN: Automatic jail for one year at hard labor.

FRANCE: Three-year loss of license, one year in jail, $1,000 fine.

MALAYA: The driver is jailed. If he is married, his wife is jailed too.

NORWAY: Three weeks in jail at hard labor, one-year loss of license. If second offense within five years, license is revoked for life.

POLAND: Jail and fines, and forced attendance at political lectures.

RUSSIA: Revoked for life.

SOUTH AFRICA: A 10 year prison sentence and the equivalent of a $10,000 fine or both.

TURKEY: Drunk drivers are taken 20 miles from town by the police and are forced to walk back.

http://www.whatsdrivingyou.org/resources/reading_room/other_countries.html

Not many drunk driving deaths in these countries — deterrence works if harsh enough.

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Now you see, these countries also have gun control.

And a LOT fewer gun deaths.

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Just sayin’ is all…

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:

Now you see, these countries also have gun control.

And a LOT fewer gun deaths.

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Just sayin’ is all…[/quote]

Post your data please.

South Africa and some of those South American countries have few gun deaths? WTF?

Make sure you compare apples to oranges and figure per capita and such.