[quote]cavalier wrote:
Where exactly is CalStrength? Is that the CalState campus?[/quote]
It’s in San Ramon if I remember correctly. Not part of a university atall. Just a great gym. Good for you for dropping in, PG.
Great arms, very well defined.
Deadlifted last night, after bench -warmups, then:
325 x 2
355 x 1
385 x 1
405 x 2 (1 rep PR)
Did the 2nd rep @ 405 because I knew it would be a grind it out (no ramping/hitching though), max effort lift.
Amazing! This is the least sore I have ever been after a deadlift workout. I attribute this to figuring out some tightness & mobility issues with the lumbo-pelvic area, quads, hips, etc., then working the crap out of it. Personally, I think heavy max deadlifts were probably forcing tight muscles out of their comfort zone in acute fashion, leading to crazy soreness. Whatever though, I’m just so amazed.
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Inspired by Snap.
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Your bicep pose was inspired by me? Ahh, yes. People often stop me in the streets to look at my bis. I’m that impressive.
Congrats on the DL PR. Always so nice when our bodies surprise us in pleasant ways.
Congrats PG!
nice Pull!!
guns are looking much like snaps :))
and the class sounds very very good
nice work all around
Seems like a lot of lifters are debating the merits of limit strength-type training vs. higher rep stuff.
I’ve been using the Kroc bench template for bench, overhead, and squats (Kroc said it was ok for OH and Squats as well in his livespill) for about 3 months now. I think for me personally, this program is doing a great job incorporating both aspects.
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Seems like a lot of lifters are debating the merits of limit strength-type training vs. higher rep stuff.
I’ve been using the Kroc bench template for bench, overhead, and squats (Kroc said it was ok for OH and Squats as well in his livespill) for about 3 months now. I think for me personally, this program is doing a great job incorporating both aspects.
I dunno that there’s a debate. Both are good, but they have different challenges and different results. A combination of the two strategies seems to have a synergistic effect. My point for Cav was that he was struggling with his routine, and that in some ways low rep training requires LESS effort than high rep. I always feel energized on singles and doubles for short sessions done often. I always feel beat up and tired when doing multiple sets of 8-12 to the point that I hate training.
[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
My point for Cav was that he was struggling with his routine, and that in some ways low rep training requires LESS effort than high rep. I always feel energized on singles and doubles for short sessions done often. I always feel beat up and tired when doing multiple sets of 8-12 to the point that I hate training.[/quote]
I couldn’t agree more. I dread high-rep sessions and find the pain of repping to be much worse than the pain of heavy singles, doubles, or triples. Plus, I get no high from lifting high rep whereas I do get a rush from moving really heavy weight once or twice.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
My point for Cav was that he was struggling with his routine, and that in some ways low rep training requires LESS effort than high rep. I always feel energized on singles and doubles for short sessions done often. I always feel beat up and tired when doing multiple sets of 8-12 to the point that I hate training.[/quote]
I couldn’t agree more. I dread high-rep sessions and find the pain of repping to be much worse than the pain of heavy singles, doubles, or triples. Plus, I get no high from lifting high rep whereas I do get a rush from moving really heavy weight once or twice.[/quote]
Discussion would’ve probably been a better choice of words, sorry.
I agree with both of you -after the first ten-rep squats, I wanted to quit right then and there. Repping is painful from a muscular (and for me mental) standpoint, but the joints recover faster than from a heavy low rep workout. That’s why I like Kroc’s template, it cycles both high-rep and low-rep (10s down to 3s), plus more sets vs. less sets as intensity goes up. Imo, it’s a more “modern” version of Coan’s stuff.
Also, for non-expert level lifters such as myself, the lower intensity weights plus high(er) reps allows the lifter to focus on technique (which you can do even if “muscularly tired”) vs. high intensity weights, where moving the damn thing from Point A to Point B is the only goal.
I’ve also come to believe muscular strength is the same as cardio “strength” -solely doing multiples of high intensity training is not the optimal way. Yes, one is much more prepared for high rep after limit training than vice versa. But no I don’t believe that is optimal from a long term performance point of view (likelihood of injury being the main factor wrt strength training?). If anyone is interested in the benefit (necessity even) of steady state type of cardio even when training for a high intensity sport like MMA, look up Joel Jamieson and read his stuff -very enlightening.
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
My point for Cav was that he was struggling with his routine, and that in some ways low rep training requires LESS effort than high rep. I always feel energized on singles and doubles for short sessions done often. I always feel beat up and tired when doing multiple sets of 8-12 to the point that I hate training.[/quote]
I couldn’t agree more. I dread high-rep sessions and find the pain of repping to be much worse than the pain of heavy singles, doubles, or triples. Plus, I get no high from lifting high rep whereas I do get a rush from moving really heavy weight once or twice.[/quote]
Discussion would’ve probably been a better choice of words, sorry.
I agree with both of you -after the first ten-rep squats, I wanted to quit right then and there. Repping is painful from a muscular (and for me mental) standpoint, but the joints recover faster than from a heavy low rep workout. That’s why I like Kroc’s template, it cycles both high-rep and low-rep (10s down to 3s), plus more sets vs. less sets as intensity goes up. Imo, it’s a more “modern” version of Coan’s stuff.
Also, for non-expert level lifters such as myself, the lower intensity weights plus high(er) reps allows the lifter to focus on technique (which you can do even if “muscularly tired”) vs. high intensity weights, where moving the damn thing from Point A to Point B is the only goal.
I’ve also come to believe muscular strength is the same as cardio “strength” -solely doing multiples of high intensity training is not the optimal way. Yes, one is much more prepared for high rep after limit training than vice versa. But no I don’t believe that is optimal from a long term performance point of view (likelihood of injury being the main factor wrt strength training?). If anyone is interested in the benefit (necessity even) of steady state type of cardio even when training for a high intensity sport like MMA, look up Joel Jamieson and read his stuff -very enlightening.[/quote]
And I agree with you on the last point there, definitely: You can’t go B2tW on intensity all the time. Building in “deloads” with lighter weights and higher reps is essential for long-term lifting health and improvement.
And on a totally unrelated note DCA -my nieces get a big kick out of their old Uncle when he uses texting lingo; especially when it’s stuff one shouldn’t really say out loud. Thanks for the new one!
B2TW FTW WTF ROFLMFAO!
No need to tiptoe Punnyguy, you’re not offending me.
I was doing the hi reps as a kind of deload, after a few weeks, go up to med weights for a couple weeks, then hi weights. Did I increase weight too quickly?
confusing item: earlier this week I did sumo DL to work squat in lo position. Feet spread w-a-a-y apart, deficit position. Got up to 155 lbs, intended to do 8, but felt so good I made it to 12. I’ll repeat - they just felt good. Then a few days later, do regular stance DLs, warmup with 155, and they felt like I was being tasered. What’s going on? Did I do the regular DL too soon after the sumos? But I did the sumos only a few days after the previous DLs.
Agreed that hi rep squats or deads are a cardio nightmare, but these felt even worse than that.
True, lo rep hi weight lifts are easier on my system - but even those are painful.
Also, there are theories about fast twitch/slow twitch, how many reps you can do of 80% max rep being determined by that. I agree, however, if you increase either the 80% reps or the max rep, you increase the other.
(Did you know Muscle & Fitness once depicted a cartoon character called Max Rep?)
[quote]cavalier wrote:
No need to tiptoe Punnyguy, you’re not offending me.
I was doing the hi reps as a kind of deload, after a few weeks, go up to med weights for a couple weeks, then hi weights. Did I increase weight too quickly?
confusing item: earlier this week I did sumo DL to work squat in lo position. Feet spread w-a-a-y apart, deficit position. Got up to 155 lbs, intended to do 8, but felt so good I made it to 12. I’ll repeat - they just felt good. Then a few days later, do regular stance DLs, warmup with 155, and they felt like I was being tasered. What’s going on? Did I do the regular DL too soon after the sumos? But I did the sumos only a few days after the previous DLs.
Agreed that hi rep squats or deads are a cardio nightmare, but these felt even worse than that.
True, lo rep hi weight lifts are easier on my system - but even those are painful.[/quote]
It’s always painful. It never gets easier. You just stop minding that it hurts after a while is all.
look at the gunz brah!
[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
[quote]cavalier wrote:
No need to tiptoe Punnyguy, you’re not offending me.
I was doing the hi reps as a kind of deload, after a few weeks, go up to med weights for a couple weeks, then hi weights. Did I increase weight too quickly?
confusing item: earlier this week I did sumo DL to work squat in lo position. Feet spread w-a-a-y apart, deficit position. Got up to 155 lbs, intended to do 8, but felt so good I made it to 12. I’ll repeat - they just felt good. Then a few days later, do regular stance DLs, warmup with 155, and they felt like I was being tasered. What’s going on? Did I do the regular DL too soon after the sumos? But I did the sumos only a few days after the previous DLs.
Agreed that hi rep squats or deads are a cardio nightmare, but these felt even worse than that.
True, lo rep hi weight lifts are easier on my system - but even those are painful.[/quote]
It’s always painful. It never gets easier. You just stop minding that it hurts after a while is all.
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've watched your videos. It is not as painful for you as it is for me. That’s obvious.
It is easier for you than it is for me. The videos show that.
And I’m doing everything I can to endure the pain and get through it. Forty years of struggling to strengthen myself, and instead of quitting, I just pushed through anyway. If there’s one thing I have in spades, it’s willpower.
[quote]cavalier wrote:
[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
[quote]cavalier wrote:
No need to tiptoe Punnyguy, you’re not offending me.
I was doing the hi reps as a kind of deload, after a few weeks, go up to med weights for a couple weeks, then hi weights. Did I increase weight too quickly?
confusing item: earlier this week I did sumo DL to work squat in lo position. Feet spread w-a-a-y apart, deficit position. Got up to 155 lbs, intended to do 8, but felt so good I made it to 12. I’ll repeat - they just felt good. Then a few days later, do regular stance DLs, warmup with 155, and they felt like I was being tasered. What’s going on? Did I do the regular DL too soon after the sumos? But I did the sumos only a few days after the previous DLs.
Agreed that hi rep squats or deads are a cardio nightmare, but these felt even worse than that.
True, lo rep hi weight lifts are easier on my system - but even those are painful.[/quote]
It’s always painful. It never gets easier. You just stop minding that it hurts after a while is all.
[/quote]
've watched your videos. It is not as painful for you as it is for me. That’s obvious.
It is easier for you than it is for me. The videos show that.
And I’m doing everything I can to endure the pain and get through it. Forty years of struggling to strengthen myself, and instead of quitting, I just pushed through anyway. If there’s one thing I have in spades, it’s willpower.[/quote]
Have you been tested for nerve conductivity, food allergies, reaction times - things like that? As you’ve been saying, what you’re experiencing my be signs of an underlying disfunction.
Question: how do you know that someone is a “quarter-squatter”, even before you’ve seen them squat?
Answer: you ask them what weight they want to start their squat session with, and they tell you 225.
[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
[quote]cavalier wrote:
[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
[quote]cavalier wrote:
No need to tiptoe Punnyguy, you’re not offending me.
I was doing the hi reps as a kind of deload, after a few weeks, go up to med weights for a couple weeks, then hi weights. Did I increase weight too quickly?
confusing item: earlier this week I did sumo DL to work squat in lo position. Feet spread w-a-a-y apart, deficit position. Got up to 155 lbs, intended to do 8, but felt so good I made it to 12. I’ll repeat - they just felt good. Then a few days later, do regular stance DLs, warmup with 155, and they felt like I was being tasered. What’s going on? Did I do the regular DL too soon after the sumos? But I did the sumos only a few days after the previous DLs.
Agreed that hi rep squats or deads are a cardio nightmare, but these felt even worse than that.
True, lo rep hi weight lifts are easier on my system - but even those are painful.[/quote]
It’s always painful. It never gets easier. You just stop minding that it hurts after a while is all.
[/quote]
've watched your videos. It is not as painful for you as it is for me. That’s obvious.
It is easier for you than it is for me. The videos show that.
And I’m doing everything I can to endure the pain and get through it. Forty years of struggling to strengthen myself, and instead of quitting, I just pushed through anyway. If there’s one thing I have in spades, it’s willpower.[/quote]
Have you been tested for nerve conductivity, food allergies, reaction times - things like that? As you’ve been saying, what you’re experiencing my be signs of an underlying disfunction.
[/quote]
No, I haven’t had tests like that, would love to, it’s tricky since I can’t seem to hold on to health insurance for more than a few months at a time. Have been to psychiatrists to see if emotional problems but they can’t seem to find anything.
However, I do meet the profile for hyper sensitivity, that’s someone who’s touchy to environment. If that makes me more sensitive to pain, it would explain a lot.