[quote]Houston07 wrote:
USMCpoole…I think you misunderstood my statement entirely. McCombs is the toughest school within University of Texas to get into. As in, it’s harder than the UT engineering school. I was not saying it is the hardest to get into nationwide for business schools. Just to clarify.
For undergrad programs that is. [/quote]
Ah, you are right, I completely misunderstood.
Whats with all the Sober Sallies hating on having fun. Projectile vomiting is hilarious. Especially when its from jungle juice because it stains everything red. As long as you have a plan and can manage your time enough to meet your goals, go get wasted. I’ve been out of college 4 and a half years and thats still my plan.
Some people aren’t smart enough to have fun in college and still get by… but some people are. If you had to spend every waking hour with your face in a book because the world would implode if you didn’t get all A’s or thats what you had to do to get a C, that sucks. But some people don’t need to do that and they can still do well.
So if you you can keep your grades up, run away when the ambulance comes(the cops are usually right behind it), hop in an elevator, puke and rally, then find a girl with daddy issues thats as drunk as you. Just make sure you put your shoes and pants in a strategic location so if you pass out you can make a clean escape in the morning(if you’ve already got wasted enough to puke then got more wastes you probably wen home with a rhino… but thats cool just tell everyone she was hot).
This may be hard to comprehend for some of you but there are options other than “drink 7 nights a week” and “stay in and study on the weekends.” What ever happened to moderation?
Also why are people who drink 5 nights a week on a website about lifting weights? What kind of physique do you guys maintain who drink till you puke on a daily basis?
[quote]maxxbot wrote:
This may be hard to comprehend for some of you but there are options other than “drink 7 nights a week” and “stay in and study on the weekends.” What ever happened to moderation?
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This.
I’m not going to post my resume here, but I’m a pre-med engineer with a good GPA at a great institution, so without moderation, my grades/hopes/dreams would be impossible. However, without moderation (if I did nothing but study and never went out, even if that doesn’t mean not drink) I would be miserable. It’s just about finding how to manage your time to get all your work out of the way, excel in everything you do, and fit plenty of time time for friends. Sure, times will come where you’ll have such an overload you have to stay in and work/study, but this doesn’t have to be the norm (or even close to it) if you manage your time right and have your priorities straight. If you don’t care for going out: don’t go out, do what you enjoy, but make time for something you enjoy. If you enjoy getting hammered and partying, then get hammered when your work is out of the way and have fun that way. To each his own.
By the way, to add to the other conversation, at my school, the level of majors and difficulty goes: Engineering > other science > others > business. I will say though that if you bust your ass in a business major, make the connections, get good internships, and get good grades, you can set yourself up to make a killing once you leave. It’s easy to slide by in it with a 2.0 but I wouldn’t say it’s useless/a pointless degree…
Med and law degrees are hard too! Look, what it boils down to is some degrees are harder for some than others. Pick what YOU do best and rock that degree. I’ve seen a fair share of people sink and swim in different degrees…it’s the same with all degrees.
Why is a degree in agriculture worse than one in enginering? Or a degree in Drafting worse than Accounting?
You can find success in ANY major/minor. Thats why theres a bunch to choose from in the first place. So quit trying to say my degree is harder and or better than yours, because the Mathathletes and the Creative arts kids can wind up sharing the same cardboard box on a street corner.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Med and law degrees are hard too! Look, what it boils down to is some degrees are harder for some than others. Pick what YOU do best and rock that degree. I’ve seen a fair share of people sink and swim in different degrees…it’s the same with all degrees.
Why is a degree in agriculture worse than one in enginering? Or a degree in Drafting worse than Accounting?
You can find success in ANY major/minor. Thats why theres a bunch to choose from in the first place. So quit trying to say my degree is harder and or better than yours, because the Mathathletes and the Creative arts kids can wind up sharing the same cardboard box on a street corner.[/quote]
This isn’t about what’s “better”. It is a simple FACT that no education major is experiencing the full on course load of a full time biology major. Period. yes, that education major may go one to make millions somehow, but in the strict sense of which student on campus is most likely to have to work harder at more intellectually demanding courses, I am not sure how people can protest.
Creative arts is simply NOT as demanding as electrical engineering.
Some of you seem to be responding to extremes as if the guys saying that study should take top priority never had sex in college. I don’t see anyone stating that at all.
I had a fucking blast in college and no, I am not the type of person who needs to spend all day studying to do decently in school. Still though, I seriously doubt we have a whole website filled with geniuses who don’t need to study who can get away with a 19 hour course load filled with classes like Physics, Genetics, Microbiology, and Organic Chem all while getting drunk on a nightly basis and maintaining a constant 3.5+ GPA…yet that seems to be what some of you are claiming.
[quote]SickAbs wrote:
All the people hating on business degrees…Um, please take managerial accounting, business statistics 1&2, corporate tax accouting etc. Only entry level business classes are easy (micro-economics etc). Just because you see a lot of us business majors partying does not mean the shit is easy. It means we are social people and are enjoying our college experience. Just because you need to spend more time studying because youre a bio nerd or a crazy stressed engineering major doesnt give you the right to shit on other majors. Go get laid. [/quote]
X2
But also the fact that in order to do well in the business world you have to have strong social/people skills. You SHOULD be going out on a regular basis and joining extra curricular clubs. Not to the point where you are hindering your studies but enough for your social skills to continually develop. If you’re the type who likes to stay in, not venture outside a small group of friends, or not a fan of extra curricular clubs this major is not for you.
I’m a human biology major and the work load is heavy but manageable. I go out and party 3 nights a week but as long as you get your shit done before hand your good. I still don’t drink but I smoke a few blunts a night and chill and it doesn’t fuck my gains up. To each his own, partying is fun but when my physique is where it is 5 years from now I can thank myself for not drinking 3 nights a weekend in college.
I’ve never known anyone who majored in astronomy. Not sure if it pays anything, but sounds like a cool path to take. And to the OP, party like a rock star. College blows by kinda quick.
[quote]kakno wrote:
How hard it is to get into a school doesn’t have that much to do with how hard it is to graduate. Nor does the salary. It’s just part of the reason the education is popular.[/quote]
Truth, but if the salary is decent, and it’s easy to graduate, you better believe that it’ll be tough to get into. A data point:
At my school (Michigan State), the Education college was, for years and years, the toughest college to get into. I think that their GPA requirement was up to a 3.9 (out of 4.0) at one point. In large part, I believe that this was because it was seen as a relatively easy coursework with a safe job at the end; MSU had a great success rate of placing teachers.
At any rate, as the school got harder to get into (in terms of GPA), they found that they were just not graduating math and science teachers like they used to, because they couldn’t get in anymore. It got to the point that they had to start a fast-track program for math students who had already passed certain (tough) courses to allow them to become teachers.
Honestly, for a physics major, college kinda sucks. Endless problem sets (4 problems= 30 hours to do), work etc. I will admit the drunk partying does work a bit. However when you think about it and see oh I don’t know a bunch of premed students druck as F*ck you kinda fear for your life.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why the hell do some of you throw little hissy fits every time a discussion breaks out…as if we aren’t supposed to be discussing certain topics?
If you don’t like that a discussion about college breaks out…in a thread about college, why continue reading the fucking thread?
Why bitch and moan as if we aren’t supposed to talk about it?
This is a discussion forum, right?
Care to provide a detailed list of what we actually can talk about?[/quote]
I personally like the business/liberal arts/other majors who get butt hurt when someone makes a comment about how easy their major is (I knew people like that back in college too). I know a lot of people who couldn’t hack it in engineering with the amount of partying they did and when they switched to business are were fine and didn’t have to reduce the amount of partying they did (and in some cases increased it).
And moderation in partying is key - I used to really only party on the weekends since that’s when everyone was out anyway (and after 1 night of hard partying I was done for a week).
Prof X your avatar is damn awesome.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Do you go to Bama? [/quote]
Yessir.
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I am studying International Business and over the summer I interned in Boston at a pretty damn good place to work, I think I am doing pretty well. [/quote]
Sounds good, i’ll be looking for an internship this summer as well.
[quote]rickbenn wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey is a degree from the University of Phoenix actually worth anything? A failure friend of mine has been taking online courses and insists that it’s going to count for the same as mine… and I have trouble seeing that.
anyone know?[/quote]
Absolutely NOT!! I did 2 fucking years of it and it was waste of time and money. I am going to a REAL college now and not one of the credits transferred. I have to start from scratch but oh swell it is better then those diploma mills. The key is with that most employers know of Penn state, Notre Dame and those type of schools. Now my school offers both online and in class courses as most schools do that now. Congress is looking into the “For Profit schools” business practices now. Make sure you check the schools accreditation too.
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x2. My friend who does business and IT recruiting won’t even look at a resume with a “for profit” degree.
I saw national merit scholars turn in to damned effective alcoholics that couldn’t manage a major that they stick partial qualifier football players in, and I’ve seen engineering majors that could drink an Irishman under the table, but I’ll give you one guess as to who I believe to be the exception.
But know this, if you F up your run at college, you will be digging your way out of it for a long time.
As for me, not a “party” guy. I had great friends, a lot of fun, and worked hard to graduate with a 3.8 in accounting.
And if I saw U. of Phoenix or the like on a resume, I wouldn’t keep reading unless I’m hiring a clerk.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I am surprised that so few of you can manage to get through college while drinking heavily.
I don’t know that, for an English major, there was any other way for me to do it. [/quote]
Im a 2nd year business major at pretty damn good school and so far I have partied my ass off and kept my GPA up. I have to maintain a 3.8+ or switch my major. I am in a frat and live in the house and all of us get our shit done. To me it is just prioritizing. I don’t party all night before exams and I get my work done before I get shitty.[/quote]
I thought it was common knowledge though that the harder majors are things like; computer science, electrical engineering, biology, nursing, physics and things like that. I don’t ever remember the business majors on my campus being considered as having a difficult major. Most of them partied constantly…which is why I am not exactly impressed by your statement.
If you claimed you acted like that as an electrical engineering or biology major with a GPA like that, then I might be impressed.[/quote]
QFT
[quote]Houston07 wrote:
Given I go to UT, which is a pretty elite business school, I might be biased. However, business is anything but a joke. Upper divison accounting classes are anything but easy. And to the idiot who said business is a “worthless” major…fuck you. The worst comment ever made on T-Nation. Finance/Accounting is a very sought after field, only taking the backseat to engineering/computer science and various graduate degrees. I have the statistics to prove it.
As for partying, go for it…just know your limits. There is no right answer. Don’t let anyone decide how you should be on a daily basis other than yourself. [/quote]
Dude, I know/knew about 10 people at U of Illinois (#1 ug accounting program) who were double major finance/accounting guys, and they all pretty much thought it was a joke. Just about every one had a 3.8+ while partying at least 3x a week. Not a chance in hell that this is a hard major if you have any decent math background.
Sad thing is that most couldn’t find a job, and my best friend with a 3.82 and on the board of his prestigious scholarship house went 0 for 23 in job interviews before hooking something that he hates.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey is a degree from the University of Phoenix actually worth anything? A failure friend of mine has been taking online courses and insists that it’s going to count for the same as mine… and I have trouble seeing that.
anyone know?[/quote]
I don’t know if anybody jumped in on this…but I look at 100’s of resumes a week…we just junk stuff from Phoenix and other for profits.
kman, is it really that necessary to continue fueling the fire of the “business” debate? I never said it was a DIFFICULT major, simply said it was a worthwhile and not a blow off one. And yeah, you can party a fair amount and do good, which I never discounted. And your friends fucked something up (interview, extracurriculars, whatever) to graduate with that GPA from a good school and not land a decent job.
And, if your going to throw statistics around, make sure they prove a point. U of Illinois, isn’t the #1 accounting program for undergrads. UT is. Illinois is actually second. Both great schools, but different environments to say the least.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-accounting