My stand-up coach has quit. Apparently not enough people were showing up on friday’s, and as we’re predominantly a jits gym… no stand-up coach. Which means… I’m back to training myself at stand-up. So, Irish, Zen, Boss, and all other coaches, and strikers, help me out. I’m looking to fill in some gaps:
Please guys, I’m dying here.
you need to go to an actual boxing gym that’s it. hand pads, hand pads, hand pads with someone who knows what’s goin on. Helps so much…footwork and what not you will learn from sparring, and your boxing coach will show you how to move through the classes and when hitting the pads. Mimic the same thing then when you do your bag work and don’t get lazy, keep hands up and always remember at any point someone can hit you. It’s all practice man, but if your asking these questions your not at a level where you can really do it by yourself and be effective. I mean if you gotta ask for combo’s, you should know by now what is working and what isn’t working and the type of stand up striker you are. And you will probably learn mistakes and they will start to get ingrained and it will take twice as long to break bad habits and then re-learn new ones.
Seriously man get a good boxing coach…even if you meet with him ONCE a week you will learn stuff to do and you can ask him and then work on it by yourself in the mirrior, at home etc etc.
Damn,that sucks…I’m with rasturai. Find you an actual boxing or muay thai gym. Isn’t there a branch off of Saekson Janjira Muay Thai in your area of Kansas??
You can shadowbox and work heavy bag to maintain your baseline(along with actual sparring)…but you can’t fine-tune and improve your timing,hand speed,etc with that alone. You can find a double-end bag and/or slip bag to help your hand-eye coordination and head movement to an extent. But you will need someone who knows the ins and outs of stand-up in order to improve where you are lacking.
There’s a Jan Jira in Wichita, it’s 2 hours away. Ok so… boxing gym, check. We’ll see what I can do!
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
My stand-up coach has quit. Apparently not enough people were showing up on friday’s, and as we’re predominantly a jits gym… no stand-up coach. Which means… I’m back to training myself at stand-up. So, Irish, Zen, Boss, and all other coaches, and strikers, help me out. I’m looking to fill in some gaps:
Please guys, I’m dying here.[/quote]
well, i agree with the Boss and Rosturai…
however…my stand up/muay thai is largely self taught, so here goes…
get a double end bag
here’s some combo’s i like (from a long list, all based off left hand lead, or conventional stance)
-jab-cross (to body)-lead leg kick to leg
-jab-right hook-lead leg kick
-rear push kick-left hook-right hook
-jab-power side leg kick
i guess the way i plan combo’, is based off up-down, right-left…in MMA esp, i think you can’t throw very extensive hand combo’s without looking for the takedown. i’d suggest throwing in a sprawl following all the combo’s as well…
good luck man-i sympathize with ya with the team-mate issue.
Cyco
Stay focused
Look for another coach but in mean time
Shadowbox in front of a mirror
Heavybag work over and over and over
Try to find a training partner or a willing friend to hold pads and mitts for you.
My favorite combos
lead leg Roundhouse x 2 hook kick (hook punch will be less mixup but more power if it does land, learn both)
Stepping side kick, back kick, anything
Jab jab slide back front kick
The more tools you learn and master the better you will be. Practice practice practice then get some water and practice some more.
Realize you want to use momentum so any front arm movement that connects can be followed up pretty well with a spinning kick such as back kick, spin hook kick, or tornado kick.
Jab is your bnb though you can connect almost anything off a well placed jab so mix it up. If you’re close use your knees, elbows, and crescent kicks. Practice skipping back kicks (sliding back or switching front leg to back while kicking).
Any time a back kick lands you can get another kick in. A well placed back kick can be followed up by damn near anything. Practice on a heavy bag or get a friend to pad up and practice on.
Be sure to use front and back legs. Boxers don’t fight with 1 arm, Martial Artists don’t fight with 1 leg.
A lot of fighters don’t know correct use of the front kick. Front kick is a long range strike. It has as much distance as a back kick or side kick. If someone throws out a wild punch lean back a little and front kick them hard to the abdominal region. Practice on a heavy bag, body shield, or partner to make sure you know how to point your toes back perfectly every time or you will hurt yourself.
[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
]Realize you want to use momentum so any front arm movement that connects can be followed up pretty well with a spinning kick such as back kick, spin hook kick, or tornado kick.
Jab is your bnb though you can connect almost anything off a well placed jab so mix it up. If you’re close use your knees, elbows, and crescent kicks. Practice skipping back kicks (sliding back or switching front leg to back while kicking).
Any time a back kick lands you can get another kick in. A well placed back kick can be followed up by damn near anything. Practice on a heavy bag or get a friend to pad up and practice on.
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Dude,really?? Unless Beershoes has an extensive Tae Kwon Do background,he’s better served mastering the basic and most practical techniques of striking before spinning back kicks,tornado kicks,etc. Even more so if his base is Muay Thai and boxing.
However,I agree completely about a good jab being the tool to setup combos.
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
Handspeed is going to be improved by shadowboxing like crazy, and if you know enough to teach someone how to hold the mitts just for the basics, you can do alot.
The mitts are essential for accuracy, because otherwise you’re just not gonna know what’s a good hit and what ain’t.
You can learn these on your own only so much. Pick up a book like this: http://www.amazon.com/Boxing-Mastery-Advanced-Technique-Strategies/dp/1884654215
and do them slowly in front of a mirror, slow as you can, and get used to feeling your weight shifting, etc. This is provided you know the very basics on how to hit, and how to throw your six punches. If you don’t, you’ve got to get a boxing coach, or anyone who’s boxed, to show you them first. otherwise you won’t learn anything.
Shadowboxing will give you both of these. There are drills for this, but you’d need a partner or a coach.
You’ll probably be able to maintain the skills you’ve picked up, but progressing is going to be very, very difficult without a coach and sparring partners.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
]Realize you want to use momentum so any front arm movement that connects can be followed up pretty well with a spinning kick such as back kick, spin hook kick, or tornado kick.
Jab is your bnb though you can connect almost anything off a well placed jab so mix it up. If you’re close use your knees, elbows, and crescent kicks. Practice skipping back kicks (sliding back or switching front leg to back while kicking).
Any time a back kick lands you can get another kick in. A well placed back kick can be followed up by damn near anything. Practice on a heavy bag or get a friend to pad up and practice on.
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Dude,really?? Unless Beershoes has an extensive Tae Kwon Do background,he’s better served mastering the basic and most practical techniques of striking before spinning back kicks,tornado kicks,etc. Even more so if his base is Muay Thai and boxing.
However,I agree completely about a good jab being the tool to setup combos.[/quote]
Unless he changed his avatar I don’t recall seeing him post in the combat forum before or have any idea what his stand-up experience is. He asked for any striking advice so I offered it.
I dont know how much boxing experience you have… as I used to compete in USA boxing, and I can kinda train myself atm.
What I recommend above all else is shadowboxing. For hurs. Most people really dont use it the right way…or just go through the motions. I am telling you if you do 1-2 hours of straight shadowboxing, speed , endurance, footwork, head movement…all will improve tremendously.
Search on youtube for a guy named “billiardjay” he has hands down the best boxing tutorials on the net. Many of those are different shadowboxing drills that I personally have used to great success.
Remember to focus on using your head movement, footwork etc all while doing this, and then it becomes fundamental. There are specific drills in there to help you develop that technique first if you lack it however.
You can use this time to tape yourself and your kicking technique too, and perfect it. GO SLOW if you are doing a technique properly in the air…you should be able to FEEL the power. Im sure other experienced strikers understand what i mean by that. PM me if you want any more individual drills…footwork, punch, kicking drills etc…
Hmm I edited that post but its not showing up so I’ll post it again.
Unless he changed his avatar I don’t recall seeing him post in the combat forum before or have any idea what his stand-up experience is. He asked for any striking advice so I offered it. Besides this seems like the perfect time to practice those kicks and perfecting technique on pads and heavy bag. I’m not telling him to do anything fancy or really dangerous, but use the time if you don’t know how to kick to grow your arsenal. Too many mma users are 1 trick ponies with bad round house kicks that are more like punting a football than kicking.
If nothing else learn that Back kick. Here’s a great video that goes over the back kick, exercises to build up to it, how to use it, everything. In fact this whole video series is great and there’s one on a lot of the basic kicks.
[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
Hmm I edited that post but its not showing up so I’ll post it again.
Unless he changed his avatar I don’t recall seeing him post in the combat forum before or have any idea what his stand-up experience is. He asked for any striking advice so I offered it. Besides this seems like the perfect time to practice those kicks and perfecting technique on pads and heavy bag. I’m not telling him to do anything fancy or really dangerous, but use the time if you don’t know how to kick to grow your arsenal. Too many mma users are 1 trick ponies with bad round house kicks that are more like punting a football than kicking.
If nothing else learn that Back kick. Here’s a great video that goes over the back kick, exercises to build up to it, how to use it, everything. In fact this whole video series is great and there’s one on a lot of the basic kicks.
Then shouldn’t that person work on perfecting their shitty roundhouse kicks BEFORE working tornado,spinning,back kicks…as you suggested?
If a person can’t master roundhouse kicks,basic punch-kick combos,and other basic techniques they have no business trying to add spinning kicks to their arsenal,imo.
You don’t build houses from the roof down.
I can understand this if you’re looking from a TKD,Karate competitive standpoint. But for MMA and/or Muay Thai…all I have stated completely applies.
Again I have no idea what his skill level is at. I sorta assumed if he’s been working with a trainer he already has the basics down. Is there a post by him that I missed saying he’s a complete beginner or something?
Spinning back kick is actually one of the easiest kicks to learn, hardest to master. Just like Side Kick.
In order of learn from a purely TKD standpoint it goes Front Kick, Round house kick, Side kick (learned only), stepping side kick, back kick, spinning hook.
Students will usually have an easier time learning back kick or stepping side kick than with the basic side kick because at this point they aren’t stable or flexible enough to do it without the hip rotation that comes from turning or stepping. Same thing with trying to teach a hook kick before a spinning hook kick. The rotation actually helps them learn the motion easier than the nonspinning version.
So I agree if he can’t do a roundhouse kick he should focus on that first along with his punches. But if he’s looking for combos which he is I assumed he already knew those basics. I’m also not telling him to not train those basics as well but learn to incorporate other kicks as well. Like after a well placed back kick you can very easily use that rotation I spoke of to land a very hard roundhouse kick.
[quote]666Rich wrote:
I dont know how much boxing experience you have… as I used to compete in USA boxing, and I can kinda train myself atm.
What I recommend above all else is shadowboxing. For hurs. Most people really dont use it the right way…or just go through the motions. I am telling you if you do 1-2 hours of straight shadowboxing, speed , endurance, footwork, head movement…all will improve tremendously.
Search on youtube for a guy named “billiardjay” he has hands down the best boxing tutorials on the net. Many of those are different shadowboxing drills that I personally have used to great success.
Remember to focus on using your head movement, footwork etc all while doing this, and then it becomes fundamental. There are specific drills in there to help you develop that technique first if you lack it however.
You can use this time to tape yourself and your kicking technique too, and perfect it. GO SLOW if you are doing a technique properly in the air…you should be able to FEEL the power. Im sure other experienced strikers understand what i mean by that. PM me if you want any more individual drills…footwork, punch, kicking drills etc…
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Absolutely agree.
What part of Kansas do you live in? There are some excellent coaches in the KC area I could put you in touch with.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]666Rich wrote:
I dont know how much boxing experience you have… as I used to compete in USA boxing, and I can kinda train myself atm.
What I recommend above all else is shadowboxing. For hurs. Most people really dont use it the right way…or just go through the motions. I am telling you if you do 1-2 hours of straight shadowboxing, speed , endurance, footwork, head movement…all will improve tremendously.
Search on youtube for a guy named “billiardjay” he has hands down the best boxing tutorials on the net. Many of those are different shadowboxing drills that I personally have used to great success.
Remember to focus on using your head movement, footwork etc all while doing this, and then it becomes fundamental. There are specific drills in there to help you develop that technique first if you lack it however.
You can use this time to tape yourself and your kicking technique too, and perfect it. GO SLOW if you are doing a technique properly in the air…you should be able to FEEL the power. Im sure other experienced strikers understand what i mean by that. PM me if you want any more individual drills…footwork, punch, kicking drills etc…
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Absolutely agree.[/quote]
+1 But do not throw random punches while shadow boxing, I see a lot of new boxers doing this. Shadow boxing is the PERFECT time to get your combos down and learn to throw them from different positions, angles, and set them up differently. Also I found it useful to tape myself shadow boxing and sparring. I look for patterns, try to illiminate patterns in your fighting style. Too many people get into “their rythm” and move back and forth back and forth in the same motion.
Don’t waste your time shadow boxing and doing the same movements over and over again (this is in regards to foot work, you do want to be repetative with your combos), change direction and keep your movement as unpredictable as possible to prevent your opponent from being able to time you effectively.