lol @ px and his bs. watching ur videos I doubt u were ever pressing more than 3 plates. I never seen anyone killed bench pressing plus u can bench inside a cage with pins if thats the issue…
Learn how to press and u wont get any injuries. slight arch, shoulder blades pinched ect. Never do that bodybuilding garbage press with flat back, wide grip and bar almost to upper chest or neck. stay the f away from the smith
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hate the barbell bench press. I didn’t start getting comments on my chest development until I quit doing it. It helped build a solid base, but I am one of those who would recommend serious lifters try more exercises that allow both sides to work independently along with more incline work.
In other words, the barbell is great for beginners. You need to learn the basics and build that strength up.
if your plan is to have a HUGE chest, plan to eventually move into other areas with your primary focus.
I understand this is about performance, but again, I felt limited in strength by the barbell bench mostly because it takes confidence in your spotter to really test yourself and progress into an above average strength range.[/quote]
I’m sure you’ve mentioned this elsewhere, but what exercises do you recommend?
When you say “both sides to work independently” I’m assuming you mean things like DB flyes and DB bench. I also saw you mentioned incline work.
What else?[/quote]
I like dumbbells…a lot for increasing your strength once your bench press moves into “can kill me without a spotter” territory. Incline and flat bench dumbbells will fill your chest out. With that as the core movements (which for me usually means the exercises done second in a workout where I truly go all out) all you should need is to add any movements you are currently weak in. I would do at least 3 different movement for chest…a heavy flat and incline movement and then at least one exercise where the goal is just to feel that muscle group working with moderate weight.[/quote]
Thanks. Great info.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Eh, he’s a coach working with a specific group of boys. I wouldn’t go “recommending” he visit this site just yet.
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Why not? I think any coach for almost any sport could benefit from some of the articles here.
Hell, I wish my coaches in high school had access to a site like this - wouldn’t have had training routines based upon deep-knee bends and sit-ups if they had…[/quote]
I think it’s about tone, word choice, and respect. Maybe this coach is a fool. We have certainly read about enough foolish HS coaches on here. But I think we’ve seen a hell of a lot more foolish HS kids. I guess I was picturing some kid walking up to Dan John and “recommending” he check out T-Nation.
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
Never do that bodybuilding garbage press with flat back, wide grip and bar almost to upper chest or neck. stay the f away from the smith[/quote]
I think you are in the wrong forum.
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
lol @ px and his bs. watching ur videos I doubt u were ever pressing more than 3 plates. I never seen anyone killed bench pressing plus u can bench inside a cage with pins if thats the issue…
Learn how to press and u wont get any injuries. slight arch, shoulder blades pinched ect. Never do that bodybuilding garbage press with flat back, wide grip and bar almost to upper chest or neck. stay the f away from the smith[/quote]
In my case I kind of agree with the above. Flat barbell bench when done properly gives me no issues at all and makes my pecs grow like crazy as opposed to dumbells or any machines,(and actually a bit too much in lower portion which is why I rarely do flat barbell anymore).
The smith tears up my shoulders whether it’s incline or flat.
Also for years I would hammer away at those flat wide grip to the neck type movements in the smith or free weight until I needed surgery for a labrum and rotator cuff tear. Waiting to get surgery on the other shoulder now.
In the end I believe there are no absolutes and it has more to do more with the individual and his specific structure.
I have friends who love smith incline presses and their upper pecs blow up from it. All it did for me was rip up my shoulders. So to each his own I guess.
In my opinion flat free barbell is much safer than any smithh movement.
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
lol @ px and his bs. watching ur videos I doubt u were ever pressing more than 3 plates. I never seen anyone killed bench pressing plus u can bench inside a cage with pins if thats the issue…
Learn how to press and u wont get any injuries. slight arch, shoulder blades pinched ect. Never do that bodybuilding garbage press with flat back, wide grip and bar almost to upper chest or neck. stay the f away from the smith[/quote]
Maybe when you reach his strength and size level, we might listen to you.
For now, shut up.