Personally I dont like to lift heavy in the morning, especially compound movements. Just doesnt feel right. I need to wait atleast to 10am if I want to lift heavy.
Although I dont mind doing skill work or a bit of conditioning work in the morning with help of coffee(Im a semi pro soccer player).
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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Certainly many athletes train in the morning and progress; that does not mean that they would not make more progress if they lifted later in the day. They lift in the morning due to scheduling, not because it is the ideal time for heavy weight training.
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Would you really say it makes a difference in the grand scheme of things? I’ve lifted very early in the morning and made progress, and I’ve lifted at 3 in the afternoon and also made progress. It was far more comfortable to lift later in the day, but to me it really doesn’t seem to matter compared to all the other more important things out there. [/quote]
How ‘Grand’ is the scheme? The things we do in our training compound over time. Like I mentioned in my first reply…it depends on how close you are to your genetic potential. If you only plan to comptete for four or five years; in your case during your ‘prime-time’ years(17-23), I believe you are correct to say there are more important considerations. If you plan to compete for a lifetime; you will eventually have to maintain tighter control over all your training variables to progress. What I COULD do at 28 is different than what I MUST to do at 48. Your raw numbers are impressive; based on your bodyweight and frame size I suspect you could have many good years ahead…I look forward to hearing about it!!
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Certainly many athletes train in the morning and progress; that does not mean that they would not make more progress if they lifted later in the day. They lift in the morning due to scheduling, not because it is the ideal time for heavy weight training.
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Would you really say it makes a difference in the grand scheme of things? I’ve lifted very early in the morning and made progress, and I’ve lifted at 3 in the afternoon and also made progress. It was far more comfortable to lift later in the day, but to me it really doesn’t seem to matter compared to all the other more important things out there. [/quote]
How ‘Grand’ is the scheme? The things we do in our training compound over time. Like I mentioned in my first reply…it depends on how close you are to your genetic potential. If you only plan to comptete for four or five years; in your case during your ‘prime-time’ years(17-23), I believe you are correct to say there are more important considerations. If you plan to compete for a lifetime; you will eventually have to maintain tighter control over all your training variables to progress. What I COULD do at 28 is different than what I MUST to do at 48. Your raw numbers are impressive; based on your bodyweight and frame size I suspect you could have many good years ahead…I look forward to hearing about it!!
Ok. I’m getting a little tired of this being that I lift around 4:30 am most days and have some first hand experience. Some of you sound like you’ve never lifted before when you weren’t fully awake yet or very early in the morning. Yes, you should be concerned with your “CNS” being “awake”; especially if you’re not accustomed to lifting early already. There have been times where I’ve not given myself enough time to wake up and my coordination, grip strength, explosiveness and other factors important for acclerating and balancing weight/bars weren’t quite up to par yet. All of which are important for stimulating growth.
Spinal hydration also is important which is why more back injuries tend to occur early in the morning because the discs are swollen with fluid…another reason why warming up in the morning is even more important if you’re going to do any kind of lifting that may put compression on your spine. If I had the option, I would lift everyday in the afternoon or evening, but I don’t have that luxury.
Now back to the CNS; if any of you want to simply say that I did not get enough sleep and that I wasn’t yet awake and that it had nothing to do with my CNS, then fine, however, the bottom line is that the mochery becomes exceedingly redundant when none of you have anything useful or new to add and just want to crack jokes and act like clowns. I know that many of these topics are redundant in and of themselves, but so is the shit talking and flaming. This is directed at the entirety of this thread and no one in particular mind you. I’m just so tired of threads becoming completely FUCKED and being derailed.
BlueCollarTr8n,
Looks like I caused a shit storm by bringing up spinal fluid in the morning. I’m not a powerlifter. Maybe this is a valid concern that people should be concerned with. I have no idea. I am not 48. But I am 34 and have been lifting weights since I was 14 years old.
What does that mean? It doesn’t mean that I know all there is to know about training. It does mean that I have seen 20 years worth of bullshit in the fitness industry first hand. I’ve seen the fads come and go. I’ve seen the hottest supplements one year dissapear 5 years later… several times. I realize that fitness authors got to eat. What does that mean? It means they have to come up with something to talk about on a regular basis. It means sometimes they blow things out of proportion in order to have something to write in an article or book.
All this makes me a very skeptical person when it comes to any hot fitness/mobility/supplement trend. I think that is a good thing. There are enough people blindly following everything they read or hear in this world. You jumped in the middle of a bunch of guys joking around about folks taking the wrong things too seriously.
I think you took what was said in this thread to personally. If you have something to add about the merit of waiting to work out or taxing the CNS please do so.
To jump in throwing out personal attacks isn’t that helpful.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Yes you did call me out…remember this.
‘I doubt there is even one huge guy out there who gave a shit about whether his spinal fluid was timed correctly. That’s a new one…and we get stupid shit here all day long.
If you look average but are worried about your spinal fluid, find a new hobby.’ PX
I have reviewed your training…you are an above average lifter, no doubt. It is true that many at T-Nation are suspended from your testicles, as I mentioned, I agree with the majority of your BB posting. Pretty straight forward stuff.
I am also an educated veteran, although I fail to see the relevance. I will postpone any comments about your muscular development until we see some pics after your cut(if it actually happens). Keep telling yourself that ‘nothing to prove’ line, I’m sure it sounds believable by now. Bodybuilders make it to stage, powerlifters to the platform, runners to the race, everyone else is on the sidelines fetching water or in the stands watching. That is where the talk and opinions end.
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Are you serious with this shit?
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PX…you took my original post and twisted it around…spinal fluid timing…LOL. The OP asked about CNS activation, which I believe few if any bodybuilders need be concerned about and thought he may be confusing it with spinal hydration; which may be more relevent to morning training. Slow down a moment, read my reply line by line and tell me where your problem is with it.
No.....waking up and going back to sleep will not get it done.
Yes...everyone is different.
Yes....the body will usually adapt.
Yes.....if it's bodybuilding training you should be able to continue to progress.
Yes....if my goal is body-comp.; I believe morning training is more effective.
No....I have never reached the strength levels during periods of morning training I have reached during afternoon training.
**The closer you are to your genetic potential and the older you get(in age & training years), things like sleep, meals, training times, etc. become more important.
Others had already mentioned that interupting sleep is never a good thing, otherwise it looks like something you may have posted; without the ridicule and scorn.
Am I serious?
This is directly from your profile page: “Fifty years from now when you’re looking back at your life, don’t you want to say you had the guts to get in the car” Sam W. (Transformers 07)
In bodybuilding you exchange ‘had the guts to get on the stage’ for ‘get in the car’.
Loads of respect for you big man, you are an accomplished lifter! If someone ‘pokes you in the eye’ I would expect you to stand up for yourself, expect no less from me.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Yes you did call me out…remember this.
‘I doubt there is even one huge guy out there who gave a shit about whether his spinal fluid was timed correctly. That’s a new one…and we get stupid shit here all day long.
If you look average but are worried about your spinal fluid, find a new hobby.’ PX
I have reviewed your training…you are an above average lifter, no doubt. It is true that many at T-Nation are suspended from your testicles, as I mentioned, I agree with the majority of your BB posting. Pretty straight forward stuff.
I am also an educated veteran, although I fail to see the relevance. I will postpone any comments about your muscular development until we see some pics after your cut(if it actually happens). Keep telling yourself that ‘nothing to prove’ line, I’m sure it sounds believable by now. Bodybuilders make it to stage, powerlifters to the platform, runners to the race, everyone else is on the sidelines fetching water or in the stands watching. That is where the talk and opinions end.
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Are you serious with this shit?
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PX…you took my original post and twisted it around…spinal fluid timing…LOL. The OP asked about CNS activation, which I believe few if any bodybuilders need be concerned about and thought he may be confusing it with spinal hydration; which may be more relevent to morning training. Slow down a moment, read my reply line by line and tell me where your problem is with it.
No.....waking up and going back to sleep will not get it done.
Yes...everyone is different.
Yes....the body will usually adapt.
Yes.....if it's bodybuilding training you should be able to continue to progress.
Yes....if my goal is body-comp.; I believe morning training is more effective.
No....I have never reached the strength levels during periods of morning training I have reached during afternoon training.
**The closer you are to your genetic potential and the older you get(in age & training years), things like sleep, meals, training times, etc. become more important.
Others had already mentioned that interupting sleep is never a good thing, otherwise it looks like something you may have posted; without the ridicule and scorn.
Am I serious?
This is directly from your profile page: “Fifty years from now when you’re looking back at your life, don’t you want to say you had the guts to get in the car” Sam W. (Transformers 07)
In bodybuilding you exchange ‘had the guts to get on the stage’ for ‘get in the car’.
Loads of respect for you big man, you are an accomplished lifter! If someone ‘pokes you in the eye’ I would expect you to stand up for yourself, expect no less from me. [/quote]
Competition does not in any way define what I have accomplished in the gym. In fact, just the opposite. How many people do you know of who have the education I do and served as officers in the Air Force who look like I do? Any? Because I didn’t see any on the base I was stationed at. The amount of work that took says enough about “proving myself”. A plastic trophy doesn’t mean shit and I know many guys who have competed who are much less muscular and much less experienced.
I think I will keep my career choice over worrying about competing on a stage even if I choose to compete later.
That quote you took from my profile is about not being afraid to try things even if there is a risk involved. That is how I at least try to approach life and jumping on a stage is nowhere near as risky as the experiences I was allowed to have up to this point in life.
Bodybuilding is not about the competition. The years it takes to build that body before you ever hit that stage is what this is about.
TONS of guys can compete with very little muscle mass meaning competition itself can not hold that much weight.
The RESULTS in the gym are what matter.
They are all that matter because without that, jumping on stage is a waste of fucking time.
You came here talking shit. I’ve been to Dallas many times and the weight lifting culture in Houston is bigger. Many of the guys you see in the mags (or at least the ones you may have seen in the early 00’s) were training here before they moved to Cali.
I didn’t need your approval and had nothing to prove to you. I grew up around weight lifters, both powerlifters and bodybuilders…guys way bigger and stronger than you.
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
Ok. I’m getting a little tired of this being that I lift around 4:30 am most days and have some first hand experience. Some of you sound like you’ve never lifted before when you weren’t fully awake yet or very early in the morning. Yes, you should be concerned with your “CNS” being “awake”; especially if you’re not accustomed to lifting early already. There have been times where I’ve not given myself enough time to wake up and my coordination, grip strength, explosiveness and other factors important for acclerating and balancing weight/bars weren’t quite up to par yet. All of which are important for stimulating growth.
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Very true, but being “groggy” because you just woke up is not because your “CNS” is some separate entity that needs to be awakened. You just need to allow your conscious state to outdo that waning subconscious. Warm up and you should be fine.
Question…what big lifter isn’t warming up? That should be a part of ANY bodybuilding program and one of the reasons we ramp up in the weight used.
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Now back to the CNS; if any of you want to simply say that I did not get enough sleep and that I wasn’t yet awake and that it had nothing to do with my CNS, then fine, however, the bottom line is that the mochery becomes exceedingly redundant when none of you have anything useful or new to add and just want to crack jokes and act like clowns. I know that many of these topics are redundant in and of themselves, but so is the shit talking and flaming. This is directed at the entirety of this thread and no one in particular mind you. I’m just so tired of threads becoming completely FUCKED and being derailed.[/quote]
I am too. What you may simply be seeing as “mockery” is more because rank newbs are more worried about their “CNS, GH release, and optimum time for testosterone peaks” than they are lifting really heavy weights consistently for years.
It is majoring in the minors and their concept of their own CNS is based on what they read from some author trying to sell something instead of a text book.
I mean, we had to study the human brain in detail in school yet guys who can’t explain the Kreb Cycle are acting like they are suddenly neurosurgeons.
PX “I didn’t need your approval and had nothing to prove to you”. [/quote]
Them we feel the same way about each other…fair enough.
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Once again I think that bodybuilding is getting confused with powerlifting or whatever.
To get bigger muscles you simply have to fatigue them to a degree, there is no worries about “optimal performance”.
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If it was that easy then everybody here would be big. Why not try to do things as efficiently as possible? Why does CT have an approach that incorporates optimal nutrition (and nutrition timing) as well as optimum performance.
I get what your saying. You think that you don’t have to have a 100% effort or the absolute heaviest set to produce results. But, you might as well do it to your fullest potential if your going to do it. Working around schedules etc is a different topic.
All done.
PX “I didn’t need your approval and had nothing to prove to you”. [/quote]
Them we feel the same way about each other…fair enough.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Once again I think that bodybuilding is getting confused with powerlifting or whatever.
To get bigger muscles you simply have to fatigue them to a degree, there is no worries about “optimal performance”.
[/quote]
If it was that easy then everybody here would be big. Why not try to do things as efficiently as possible? Why does CT have an approach that incorporates optimal nutrition (and nutrition timing) as well as optimum performance.
I get what your saying. You think that you don’t have to have a 100% effort or the absolute heaviest set to produce results. But, you might as well do it to your fullest potential if your going to do it. Working around schedules etc is a different topic.
All done.[/quote]
I think you are missing his point. Some here seem to act like every single fucking thing from what time they lift, to their fucking spinal column, to exactly what time they eat has to be 100% perfect or there is no reason to even try.
That is one fucked up way to approach something that is a LIFESTYLE because you can not be 100% perfect all or even most of the time.
It is an unrealistic expectation and the primary reason most of these guys never even get off the ground.
CNS in the morning
CNS at night
CNS in the afternoon is alright…
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
CNS in the morning
CNS at night
CNS in the afternoon is alright…[/quote]
That picture makes me thirsty. Is that weird?
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Certainly many athletes train in the morning and progress; that does not mean that they would not make more progress if they lifted later in the day. They lift in the morning due to scheduling, not because it is the ideal time for heavy weight training.
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Would you really say it makes a difference in the grand scheme of things? I’ve lifted very early in the morning and made progress, and I’ve lifted at 3 in the afternoon and also made progress. It was far more comfortable to lift later in the day, but to me it really doesn’t seem to matter compared to all the other more important things out there. [/quote]
How ‘Grand’ is the scheme? The things we do in our training compound over time. Like I mentioned in my first reply…it depends on how close you are to your genetic potential. If you only plan to comptete for four or five years; in your case during your ‘prime-time’ years(17-23), I believe you are correct to say there are more important considerations. If you plan to compete for a lifetime; you will eventually have to maintain tighter control over all your training variables to progress. What I COULD do at 28 is different than what I MUST to do at 48. Your raw numbers are impressive; based on your bodyweight and frame size I suspect you could have many good years ahead…I look forward to hearing about it!!
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I really appreciate that. I’ve seen your threads and I can respect your accomplishments. I know I’m nothing special right now but I hope to be something one day!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Once again I think that bodybuilding is getting confused with powerlifting or whatever.
To get bigger muscles you simply have to fatigue them to a degree, there is no worries about “optimal performance”.
[/quote]
If it was that easy then everybody here would be big. Why not try to do things as efficiently as possible? Why does CT have an approach that incorporates optimal nutrition (and nutrition timing) as well as optimum performance.
I get what your saying. You think that you don’t have to have a 100% effort or the absolute heaviest set to produce results. But, you might as well do it to your fullest potential if your going to do it. Working around schedules etc is a different topic.
All done.[/quote]
I think you are missing his point. Some here seem to act like every single fucking thing from what time they lift, to their fucking spinal column, to exactly what time they eat has to be 100% perfect or there is no reason to even try.
That is one fucked up way to approach something that is a LIFESTYLE because you can not be 100% perfect all or even most of the time.
It is an unrealistic expectation and the primary reason most of these guys never even get off the ground.[/quote]
How can you sit on one side of the fence and complain guys don’t lift hard enough, eat enough, or have the right attitude for bodybuilding and then say something like that? I got his point just fine and explained that.
It’s not unrealistic to try your hardest AND do it in a safe manner. I’ll take a quote from your book and say maybe they aren’t cut out for this shit if they can’t bring themselves to put the work in.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
CNS in the morning
CNS at night
CNS in the afternoon is alright…[/quote]
That picture makes me thirsty. Is that weird?[/quote]
cause it makes you feel like taking a big mouth full of Ice T?
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Once again I think that bodybuilding is getting confused with powerlifting or whatever.
To get bigger muscles you simply have to fatigue them to a degree, there is no worries about “optimal performance”.
[/quote]
If it was that easy then everybody here would be big. Why not try to do things as efficiently as possible? Why does CT have an approach that incorporates optimal nutrition (and nutrition timing) as well as optimum performance.
I get what your saying. You think that you don’t have to have a 100% effort or the absolute heaviest set to produce results. But, you might as well do it to your fullest potential if your going to do it. Working around schedules etc is a different topic.
All done.[/quote]
I think you are missing his point. Some here seem to act like every single fucking thing from what time they lift, to their fucking spinal column, to exactly what time they eat has to be 100% perfect or there is no reason to even try.
That is one fucked up way to approach something that is a LIFESTYLE because you can not be 100% perfect all or even most of the time.
It is an unrealistic expectation and the primary reason most of these guys never even get off the ground.[/quote]
How can you sit on one side of the fence and complain guys don’t lift hard enough, eat enough, or have the right attitude for bodybuilding and then say something like that? I got his point just fine and explained that.
It’s not unrealistic to try your hardest AND do it in a safe manner. I’ll take a quote from your book and say maybe they aren’t cut out for this shit if they can’t bring themselves to put the work in.[/quote]
You are being ridiculous. If I am lifting weights and all I have to drink afterwards is some Gatorade, the idiot is the guy who thinks his progress will be hindered because he isn’t specifically drinking Anaconda.
The majority of the gains I made in school were done with ZERO protein shakes because I couldn’t afford them. I still got bigger than most here before I first logged in.
Not being “100% perfect” does not mean you are half assing your way through a workout. It means you understand that life isn’t fucking perfect 100% of the time and the real results rely on your HARD WORK and not whether you specifically lifted at 8am vs 8pm.
I think the real problem is that you needed that much of an explanation.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Once again I think that bodybuilding is getting confused with powerlifting or whatever.
To get bigger muscles you simply have to fatigue them to a degree, there is no worries about “optimal performance”.
[/quote]
If it was that easy then everybody here would be big. Why not try to do things as efficiently as possible? Why does CT have an approach that incorporates optimal nutrition (and nutrition timing) as well as optimum performance.
I get what your saying. You think that you don’t have to have a 100% effort or the absolute heaviest set to produce results. But, you might as well do it to your fullest potential if your going to do it. Working around schedules etc is a different topic.
All done.[/quote]
I think you are missing his point. Some here seem to act like every single fucking thing from what time they lift, to their fucking spinal column, to exactly what time they eat has to be 100% perfect or there is no reason to even try.
That is one fucked up way to approach something that is a LIFESTYLE because you can not be 100% perfect all or even most of the time.
It is an unrealistic expectation and the primary reason most of these guys never even get off the ground.[/quote]
How can you sit on one side of the fence and complain guys don’t lift hard enough, eat enough, or have the right attitude for bodybuilding and then say something like that? I got his point just fine and explained that.
It’s not unrealistic to try your hardest AND do it in a safe manner. I’ll take a quote from your book and say maybe they aren’t cut out for this shit if they can’t bring themselves to put the work in.[/quote]
Dude what they mean to say is: you don’t have to get exactly 50.76899.99.34g of protein and 44.92838.29g of carbs 30.2 minutes before your workout.
Some days you are going to feel tired because of not enough sleep or because you worked for 15 hours without a break and couldn’t eat as much as you wanted to. On days like these you might not feel that strong and your motivation to go to the gym might lack a little BUT you get in there and try your hardest/best. I think that’s the point they are trying to make and I agree.
Edit: I wanted to be cool but I was too late :(.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
CNS in the morning
CNS at night
CNS in the afternoon is alright…[/quote]
That picture makes me thirsty. Is that weird?[/quote]
cause it makes you feel like taking a big mouth full of Ice T?
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The greatest feeling you can get in a gym or the most satisfying feeling you can get in the gym is the pumpzzz. Let’s say you train your bicepzzz, blood is rushing in to your muscles and that’s what we call the pumpzzz. Your muscles get a really tight feeling like your skin is going to explode any minute and its really tight and its like someone is blowing air into your muscle and it just blows up and it feels different, it feels fantastic. It’s as satisfying to me as cummingz is, you know, as in having sex with a woman and cummingz. So can you believe how much I am in heaven? I am like getting the feeling of cummingz in the gym; I’m getting the feeling of cummingz at home; I’m getting the feeling of cummingz backstage; when I pump up, when I pose out in front of my self I get the same feeling, so I am cummingz day and night. It’s terrific, right? So you know, I am in heaven.