Clinton Puts the Smack Down on Fox

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]hspder wrote:

Wow. So what is Bush? Uber-pansy? I mean, doesn’t Bush fit that description absolutely and utterly perfectly?[/quote]

Heh - this becoming tragically easy. Once again, Hspder the Self-Anointed Genius Zealot, has whiffed.

What does Bush have to do with my assessment of Clinton? Doesn’t matter what Bush does or has done - my comments were directed strictly at evaluating Clinton, with no comparison to anyone else.

This is called a Red Herring, Professor. And now you share the privilege of being as convincing as Wreckless (see above).

“Oh yeah - what about Bush?!!” - just further demonstration of your inability to stay hinged when someone disagrees with you on some part of your Gospel (in this case, the Book of Clinton in your New Testament).

Fantastic - and I have talked to many people who, even though they aren’t particularly fans of Bush, they at least appreciate Bush’s direct approach - you know what he is thinking, something lacking in the slithering Clinton approach. So what?

This aside, no matter how many times I say I am unhappy with Bush or that I have disagreements with his administration, the first, mindless reply is “oh yeah? what about Bush!!!”

It’s cute - but dumb.

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[quote]hspder wrote:
hedo wrote:
You also need to cite the actual link you are quoting from or identify the source so it can be verified.

I just did! How convenient that you ignored it.

hedo wrote:
Shouldn’t be too hard for you. Your honesty and credibility is of course suspect hspder character.

Oh of course it is. So why don’t you actually buy the book and read it yourself? Saves me a few thousand keystrokes, since you will conveniently ignore everything I write. Or at least the parts you don’t like.

hedo wrote:
Clarke never changed his story. You must be reading from the “left” side of the book.

His quotes from 2002 are in stark contrast to the account in his book. So, clearly, he changed his mind, at least.

hedo wrote:
Both side should share the blame. 8 yrs of inaction for Clinton. 8 mos. for Bush. Bush reacted forcefully when we were attacked. Clinton did not. Indisputable.

There was an event remotely like 9/11 during Clinton? Aw shucks. I must have missed it. Is there a recording somewhere I can watch?

Please. You insult not only my intelligence, but the memories of all who died on 9/11. Especially because if “reacting forcefully” is invading a completely unrelated random country, costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives with zero benefit – or, worse, making things WORSE – nobody in their right mind can say that’s a good thing.

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It’s callaed a Hyperlink. You do know what that is right? Otherwise your editorializing might be mistaken for fact. Or start typing.

I am insulting your intelligence but your integrity more. I’ve read the book. You are making an innacurate conclusion based on what Clark has said and written. It’s typical. I am asking that you back up your statements with facts or cite a reference that everyone else can read and draw their own conclusions. Shouldn’t be a problem, Hspder character, unless you are reading something into Clarke’s writing that isn’t there.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
(Bush NEVER blames subordinates, btw, for anything.)[/quote]

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

What planet do you live in? Really? He does that ALL the time.

He, just a few days ago, shifted the blame squarely to Colin Powell when asked about the alleged “offer they can’t refused” to the Pakistani government post-911.

Sometimes I wonder if you’re on LSD rather than HRT…

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
knewsom wrote:
I don’t give two shits what Clinton did with his dick. That’s his business, not mine, and I do not have the right to critisize his personal life. Neither do any of you fucks. I don’t even care that he lied about it. If the man had an abnormal penis, and people accused him of having one, and he lied about having an abnormal penis, would anyone think less of the man? FUCK no.

Hey, knewsom. That myopic view leaves out what many of us REALLY object to.

Essentially clinton thought he was above the law in a sexual harrassment case.

Plain and simple. Above the law.

JeffR

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LOL. Where in that interview was there a discussion about sex?

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[quote]knewsom wrote:
JeffR wrote:
hspder wrote:
doogie wrote:
Breaking your marriage vows and humiliating your wife and daughter to get your dick sucked by a FAT chick is the biggest example of being a pussy I can think of.

The fact that you, as many conservatives, seem to still be focusing on that just goes to show how much you lack any real arguments.

I know you’re Mr. Saint around here (your posts in the Sex and the Male Animal forum show that well), but you really need to get some perspective. Bush isn’t a saint either, and, honestly, having done coke is far worse, far more damaging and far more telling of his character than what Clinton did, irrespective of when. Stick to things that are really relevant and stop grasping at straws, OK?

You do realize that sexual harrassment and hints of far worse are out there, don’t you?

Now what’s worse to you? Think about a significant female in your life (even if it’s your mother).

JeffR

I challenge you to think about Arnold Schwarzenegger for a moment, and then make the same statement.[/quote]

My friend, if Arnold did that, then my response would be exactly the same.

AT THE VERY LEAST, the woman should have had her day in court.

Now, I don’t remember bill being disbarred for his “dick.”

It was lying under oath. He was also obstructing justice.

I know it’s a defense mechanism to change the subject from one of diabolical intent and something you would be adamatly be against if it was your wife, to one of “Hey, he’s one of the guys.” There is FAR more to it than that.

If bill clinton had your wife brought up to his office by State Troopers (or worse), then hid behind lawyers, his office, and just “doing the business of the American People” IMAGINE how your perspective changes.

JeffR

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
JeffR wrote:
knewsom wrote:
I don’t give two shits what Clinton did with his dick. That’s his business, not mine, and I do not have the right to critisize his personal life. Neither do any of you fucks. I don’t even care that he lied about it. If the man had an abnormal penis, and people accused him of having one, and he lied about having an abnormal penis, would anyone think less of the man? FUCK no.

Hey, knewsom. That myopic view leaves out what many of us REALLY object to.

Essentially clinton thought he was above the law in a sexual harrassment case.

Plain and simple. Above the law.

JeffR

LOL. Where in that interview was there a discussion about sex?
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pox, try and keep up. I was talking to knewsom about a subject HE introduced.

Good luck,

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
knewsom wrote:
I don’t give two shits what Clinton did with his dick. That’s his business, not mine, and I do not have the right to critisize his personal life. Neither do any of you fucks. I don’t even care that he lied about it. If the man had an abnormal penis, and people accused him of having one, and he lied about having an abnormal penis, would anyone think less of the man? FUCK no.

Hey, knewsom. That myopic view leaves out what many of us REALLY object to.

Essentially clinton thought he was above the law in a sexual harrassment case.

Plain and simple. Above the law.

JeffR

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You really mean to tell me that the man haing extra marital sex or pinching a lady’s behind is more important to you than sending thousands of soldiers to their deaths on false pretenses? Is that REALLY how you see the world?

If so, dude, you’ve got some SERIOUSLY messed up priorities.

…and find me a link to suppor the claim that he thought he was above the law in a sexual harrassment suit.

and once more, I’m going to tell you to look at Arnold Schwarzenegger and make the same statment.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Where in that interview was there a discussion about sex?
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Yeah, talk about using the grand old political strategy of “distraction”.

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[quote]knewsom wrote:
doogie wrote:
knewsom wrote:
I don’t give two shits what Clinton did with his dick. That’s his business, not mine, and I do not have the right to critisize his personal life. Neither do any of you fucks. I don’t even care that he lied about it. If the man had an abnormal penis, and people accused him of having one, and he lied about having an abnormal penis, would anyone think less of the man? FUCK no.

What in the holy fuck are you raving about? No one gives a shit about your micropenis. We’re talking about breaking vows and oaths.

…do you mean to tell me that you’ve NEVER BROKEN A PROMISE? And what do you think is the graver offense? Cheating on your wife? Or failing to do your duty as a serviceman and going AWOL?

I maintain that his personal life is his business, and should not be within the realm of discussion here. Going AWOL while in the military, however, shouldn’t be considered “personal business”.[/quote]

How about being called to active duty and then sending a letter refusing to serve from Oxford?

That cool?

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
You do realize that sexual harrassment and hints of far worse are out there, don’t you?

Now what’s worse to you? Think about a significant female in your life (even if it’s your mother).

knewsom wrote:
I challenge you to think about Arnold Schwarzenegger for a moment, and then make the same statement.[/quote]

p0wned! :wink:

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[quote]knewsom wrote:
JeffR wrote:
knewsom wrote:
I don’t give two shits what Clinton did with his dick. That’s his business, not mine, and I do not have the right to critisize his personal life. Neither do any of you fucks. I don’t even care that he lied about it. If the man had an abnormal penis, and people accused him of having one, and he lied about having an abnormal penis, would anyone think less of the man? FUCK no.

Hey, knewsom. That myopic view leaves out what many of us REALLY object to.

Essentially clinton thought he was above the law in a sexual harrassment case.

Plain and simple. Above the law.

JeffR

You really mean to tell me that the man haing extra marital sex or pinching a lady’s behind is more important to you than sending thousands of soldiers to their deaths on false pretenses? Is that REALLY how you see the world?

If so, dude, you’ve got some SERIOUSLY messed up priorities.

…and find me a link to suppor the claim that he thought he was above the law in a sexual harrassment suit.

and once more, I’m going to tell you to look at Arnold Schwarzenegger and make the same statment.[/quote]

knewsom,

I thought you were better than this. Instead of acknowledging that there may be more to this than you’ve been told, you change the subject.

Let’s review. Paula Jones’ lawyers started the ball rolling after she accused billy boy of sexual harassment. That led to linda tripp and eventually to monica. The prosecutor was trying to establish a pattern of behavior consistent with a sexual harasser (very common in these cases). billy was finally cornered and lied under oath.

He was then disbarred for doing just that.

Again, I notice your defense mechanism at work. Instead of IMAGINING a female in your life being taken to bill’s office and pressured to have sex (or worse) you are focusing on “pinching” asses.

I’m talking about far worse here.

Again, at least do me the courtesy of thinking about this.

All of this is in the public record.

JeffR

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[quote]hedo wrote:
It’s callaed a Hyperlink. You do know what that is right? Otherwise your editorializing might be mistaken for fact. Or start typing. [/quote]

Stop making an idiot out of yourself. There’s a hyperlink in my post. Click on it.

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[quote]vroom wrote:

They are similar, but they are not the same.

If I tell you to cross the street because you are on my sidewide, and you do, then you are a pussy.[/quote]

Well, this doesn’t even make any sense. Because I am on your ‘sidewide’? Speak clearly.

This is tragically stupid. If you can’t see the moral and ethical importance of keeping a promise of fidelity that you made to your family, I can’t help you. It is no wonder you have zero concept of masculinity - you don’t even have the basic idea of keeping a promise to your wife down.

Keeping the promise is resisting temptation - otherwise, what is the point in making the promise? Why bother with it if it wasn’t hard to keep? Why pledge to do something, as a matter of honor, that is easy?

Succumbing to temptation is weakness - especially when it involves hurting and breaking the trust of those you have a moral obligation to. When you succumb, knowing full well the implications of the harm you are going to visit on others, and you do it anyway, well, that is the walking, talking definition of a ‘pussy’.

Honestly, do you think anyone, anywhere, and anytime has ever thought you an authority on anything remotely masculine?

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[quote]hspder wrote:
JeffR wrote:
You do realize that sexual harrassment and hints of far worse are out there, don’t you?

Now what’s worse to you? Think about a significant female in your life (even if it’s your mother).

knewsom wrote:
I challenge you to think about Arnold Schwarzenegger for a moment, and then make the same statement.

p0wned! ;-)[/quote]

First of all, only a person who is under five foot six and has an erect penis no longer than 4 inches every uses the letters “powned.”

Now that that has been established, please note that I said, “My friend, if Arnold did that, then my response would be exactly the same.”

Don’t you hate when I do that.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
knewsom wrote:
JeffR wrote:
hspder wrote:
doogie wrote:
Breaking your marriage vows and humiliating your wife and daughter to get your dick sucked by a FAT chick is the biggest example of being a pussy I can think of.

The fact that you, as many conservatives, seem to still be focusing on that just goes to show how much you lack any real arguments.

I know you’re Mr. Saint around here (your posts in the Sex and the Male Animal forum show that well), but you really need to get some perspective. Bush isn’t a saint either, and, honestly, having done coke is far worse, far more damaging and far more telling of his character than what Clinton did, irrespective of when. Stick to things that are really relevant and stop grasping at straws, OK?

You do realize that sexual harrassment and hints of far worse are out there, don’t you?

Now what’s worse to you? Think about a significant female in your life (even if it’s your mother).

JeffR

I challenge you to think about Arnold Schwarzenegger for a moment, and then make the same statement.

My friend, if Arnold did that, then my response would be exactly the same.

AT THE VERY LEAST, the woman should have had her day in court.

Now, I don’t remember bill being disbarred for his “dick.”

It was lying under oath. He was also obstructing justice.

I know it’s a defense mechanism to change the subject from one of diabolical intent and something you would be adamatly be against if it was your wife, to one of “Hey, he’s one of the guys.” There is FAR more to it than that.

If bill clinton had your wife brought up to his office by State Troopers (or worse), then hid behind lawyers, his office, and just “doing the business of the American People” IMAGINE how your perspective changes.

JeffR

[/quote]

Believe you me, I take a woman’s rights and the notion of sexual harrassment very seriously. I do not however think it’s an adequte reason to impeach a president. My point is that he never should have been placed under oath in regards to Monica Lewinski. What happened between them was (as I recall) consentual. If you want to discuss other circumstances RE: Clinton and sexual harrassment, post some details and a link.

…and yes, Arnold IS a dirty old man, and just recently settled out of court on a sexual harrassment suit. He’s never been to trial for it, despite the fact that there have been many accusers, and witnesses to boot. He just buys them off, every single time.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Heh - this becoming tragically easy. Once again, Hspder the Self-Anointed Genius Zealot, has whiffed.

What does Bush have to do with my assessment of Clinton? Doesn’t matter what Bush does or has done - my comments were directed strictly at evaluating Clinton, with no comparison to anyone else.

This is called a Red Herring, Professor.

[…]

It’s cute - but dumb.[/quote]

I am humbled by your greatness, oh great thunderbolt.

YOU said Clinton was the quintessential pansy, i.e. he was “the essence of a thing [pansy] in its purest and most concentrated form”. That automatically means nobody is more of a pansy than he is. Hence, yes, YOU made it a relative comment. I was just pointing out that he could not be the “quintessential” pansy because there are bigger pansies.

By the way, tell me oh great one who, in your enlightened opinion, is an Alpha Male?

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
vroom wrote:

Pussy is not the right word to describe somebody who succumbs to temptation. Pussy is a word to describe somebody who folds under pressure or won’t stand up for what he believes in.

What exactly is “succumbing to temptation” if not “folding under pressure”? That is exactly what it is. You just described the same thing.

It is the exact same thing - you have a duty of fidelity, and you flake out on it by folding under the pressure.

It is also a failure to stand up for what you believe in - well, assuming you believe in honor, trust, and respect for your wife and child.[/quote]

Meanwhile his wife and child seem to survive.

Unfortunately, the same can’t be said about the victims of Bush’s lying and cheating.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
Let’s review. Paula Jones’ lawyers started the ball rolling after she accused billy boy of sexual harassment. That led to linda tripp and eventually to monica. The prosecutor was trying to establish a pattern of behavior consistent with a sexual harasser (very common in these cases). billy was finally cornered and lied under oath.

He was then disbarred for doing just that.

Again, I notice your defense mechanism at work. Instead of IMAGINING a female in your life being taken to bill’s office and pressured to have sex (or worse) you are focusing on “pinching” asses.

I’m talking about far worse here.

Again, at least do me the courtesy of thinking about this.

All of this is in the public record.

JeffR
[/quote]

If this is in the public record, show me where he had secret servicemen escort a woman to his office where he attempted to rape her. Post me a link. I will read it.

I still maintain that the man was an incredible president, and did great things for this country. He does not deserve to be the scapegoat for 9-11. Whether or not he sexually harassed women or got a blowjob from Monica Lewinski and lied about it is entirely beside the point. It does not remove the myriad of positive contributions he’s made, and I simply do not think its fair to continually berate him and call him a pussy using the same old shit, while trying to pretend that Bush is some great fucking crusader.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
If you still need proof he lied about wmd, if you still haven’t figured out that there were no links between Saddam and 9/11, then my friend…

Well, I’m simply lost for words. You’re SO FAR out of reality, you simply can’t be helped anymore.

Please, please, please, bring up the war on terror.

Please.

Pretty please???

Oh - I didn’t say I needed any proof. I know you are just parroting the daily kos/ George Soros. Had you any proof other than the propaganda you swallow like your mouth covering a glory hole on a Saturday night - you would use it. You don’t.

But - I asked for the poor, ignorant Dems in DC that are so desparately looking for a way to impeach Bush. Seeing you are void of anything but propaganda does not help out the impeachment procedures.

If youare calling me out of touch with reality all I need to do is consider the source to know that I am not the one in an altered state. [/quote]

I remember a report from the US Senate (you might have heard off them) stating no wmd were found in Iraq and no links existed between Saddam and Al Quada. Do you need the links?
And will you shut your stupid pie-hole when I provide them?

People like you shouldn’t be allowe to drive a car or operate any machinery.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
hspder wrote:
doogie wrote:
Breaking your marriage vows and humiliating your wife and daughter to get your dick sucked by a FAT chick is the biggest example of being a pussy I can think of.

The fact that you, as many conservatives, seem to still be focusing on that just goes to show how much you lack any real arguments.

I know you’re Mr. Saint around here (your posts in the Sex and the Male Animal forum show that well), but you really need to get some perspective. Bush isn’t a saint either, and, honestly, having done coke is far worse, far more damaging and far more telling of his character than what Clinton did, irrespective of when. Stick to things that are really relevant and stop grasping at straws, OK?

You do realize that sexual harrassment and hints of far worse are out there, don’t you?

Now what’s worse to you? Think about a significant female in your life (even if it’s your mother).

JeffR

[/quote]

Then imagine her being shipped off to Iraq to fight a war that could be avoided and be killed there.

Effr0 will never have to deal with this. His ilk doesn’t enlist.