Clinton Puts the Smack Down on Fox

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]knewsom wrote:
I don’t give two shits what Clinton did with his dick. That’s his business, not mine, and I do not have the right to critisize his personal life. Neither do any of you fucks. I don’t even care that he lied about it. If the man had an abnormal penis, and people accused him of having one, and he lied about having an abnormal penis, would anyone think less of the man? FUCK no.

What I DO give a shit about, and DO have a right to critisize him about is what he did with our COUNTRY. That’s OUR business, and ALL of us fucks have a right, nay, a DUTY to critisize him on how he ran the country.

…except that I don’t really have a lot of criticism on how he ran the country - he did a damned fine job. Budgetary surplus, relative peace and security. I think it’s silly that some are out to make him a scapegoat, Fox news included. I commend Bill for going right into the lion’s den, perfectly prepared to kick ass and take names. Of COURSE this was a a calculated move. A BRILLIANTLY calculated move. He ripped that guy to shreds, and yes, he knew he was going to, because he KNEW he was going to be asked that question. He didn’t blow up at him, he just made himself incredibly clear. Hunting the Hunter is indeed fair game. It was like watching a tabby cat try to ambush a polar bear. Do I feel sorry for the poor widdle kitty? Fuck no. Don’t pounce on a polar bear. …especially if that polar bear knows you’re comin’.

Do I think this was shitty on Clinton’s behalf? Nope. I respect brilliance.[/quote]

Good post.

And to the guy that said something to the effect of, “Well, I might not like Bush, but we know who’s better in the war on terror”, I say you’re completely wrong.

I would rather have a President who tried to have bin Laden killed and failed than a President who turned the entire attack into a propaganda war on another country, invaded it, and then makes claims that it somehow helps the war on terror, even though his own spy agencies have said that it has positively made it worse.

I would have rather had Clinton in office in 2001, and would still rather have him now.

I don’t give two shits about where he puts his dick, because damn near every politician does the same thing and cheats on their wives. Get the fuck over it. It’s no worse than snorting yay for a decade and fucking up everything you touch.

The comparison between Bush and Clinton is laughable.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:

First of all, only a person who is under five foot six and has an erect penis no longer than 4 inches every uses the letters “powned.”
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Now THAT’S just silly.

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[quote]knewsom wrote:

Believe you me, I take a woman’s rights and the notion of sexual harrassment very seriously. I do not however think it’s an adequte reason to impeach a president.[/quote]

You and I will have to agree to disagree on this point.

However, I must reiterate that your theoretical objections would probably blow away had if your last name was knewsom (brother of Paula) Jones.

Yes, he should have. It was in reference to a civil suit filed by Paula Jones in 1994. It was seeking to establish a pattern. Again, very common in these cases.

I hope you’ll take the time to read this. It seems like a pretty clinical approach to his Presidency.

If there is any objection to the source, please state it, and I’ll post several more.

I don’t know what more you want me to say. I’m not defending Arnold if he is guilty of this. If he did this, then it is wrong.

JeffR

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[quote]hspder wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Heh - this becoming tragically easy. Once again, Hspder the Self-Anointed Genius Zealot, has whiffed.

What does Bush have to do with my assessment of Clinton? Doesn’t matter what Bush does or has done - my comments were directed strictly at evaluating Clinton, with no comparison to anyone else.

This is called a Red Herring, Professor.

[…]

It’s cute - but dumb.

I am humbled by your greatness, oh great thunderbolt.

Get a grip – I stated right from the get go that I was specifically comparing Clinton to Bush with regards to his Alpha-Maleness. If you changed the context, it was your doing, not mine. If you want to make absolute statements, sure, go ahead. I then ask you to provide examples: tell me oh great one who, in your enlightened opinion is an Alpha Male?
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What’s the criteria for this T-manliness?

Thigh pimples? Clinton wins.

Lying under oath? Clinton again

Having State troopers fetch you a groupie? Clinton

Lying about toking up? Clinton

Ducking and dodging the definition of ‘is’? Clinton

Letting UBL go on almost countless occasions, then passing the buck? Clinton

Picking up fat chicks? Clinton

Having the most retarded brother since Billy? Clinton

It’s unanimous. Clinton in a landslide.

He’s such a man’s man.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
First of all, only a person who is under five foot six and has an erect penis no longer than 4 inches every uses the letters “powned.”[/quote]

I agree. Because everybody else writes it “p0wned”.

(it’s a zero, not an ‘o’ – the fact that you missed that is very telling – but also extremely amusing in this case, since you just shot yourself in the foot)

[quote]JeffR wrote:
Now that that has been established, please note that I said, “My friend, if Arnold did that, then my response would be exactly the same.”

Don’t you hate when I do that.[/quote]

So in that case, I expect you to publicly show support Phil Angelides as California’s next governor.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
hspder wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
That said - Clinton, without question, is the quintessential pansy. A manipulator and someone who wants to duck responsibility at every turn, he is the classic sensitive emasculated male who thinks a word like ‘honor’ is situational.

Wow. So what is Bush? Uber-pansy? I mean, doesn’t Bush fit that description absolutely and utterly perfectly?

Maybe it’s just a case of Bush having lowered the bar so much that Clinton just seems like a wonder compared to him… I’ve talked to many people who said that seeing Bush in action made them see Clinton in a much, much better light than they did before.

So thank you GWB for making Clinton look so good!

Remind me again how many jets clinton flew?

JeffR

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I dunno. I CAN tell you how many times your heroic pilot went AWOL though.

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[quote]knewsom wrote:
If this is in the public record, show me where he had secret servicemen escort a woman to his office where he attempted to rape her. Post me a link. I will read it.[/quote]

I don’t believe that he attempted to rape Paula Jones. He did, have her escorted by State Policemen and drop his pants.

However, there are darker rumors that are more sinister.

I’m sorry. I’ve misjudged you.

It’s like saying that we should forgive a criminal if they happen to have a talent that we approve of.

Worse, if I’m reading your thoughts, we shouldn’t investigate the criminal as long as he continues to provide a public service that I benefit from.

JeffR

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I remember a report from the US Senate (you might have heard off them) stating no wmd were found in Iraq and no links existed between Saddam and Al Quada. Do you need the links?
And will you shut your stupid pie-hole when I provide them? [/quote]

There were WMD found. Not to the degree that we suspected - but it was there.

There are links between Al Qaeda and Sadaam - at the vcery least links between Sadaam and organized islamo-fascist terrorists.

Provide all the links you want - you will still be wrong as Bush did not lie. You can call it whatever you want - but you need more conclusive proof to persuade people that are not disciples of the Kos.

And people like you should not be allowed anywhere near the internet - it makes you think you are way tougher than you really are.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
knewsom wrote:
doogie wrote:
knewsom wrote:
I don’t give two shits what Clinton did with his dick. That’s his business, not mine, and I do not have the right to critisize his personal life. Neither do any of you fucks. I don’t even care that he lied about it. If the man had an abnormal penis, and people accused him of having one, and he lied about having an abnormal penis, would anyone think less of the man? FUCK no.

What in the holy fuck are you raving about? No one gives a shit about your micropenis. We’re talking about breaking vows and oaths.

…do you mean to tell me that you’ve NEVER BROKEN A PROMISE? And what do you think is the graver offense? Cheating on your wife? Or failing to do your duty as a serviceman and going AWOL?

I maintain that his personal life is his business, and should not be within the realm of discussion here. Going AWOL while in the military, however, shouldn’t be considered “personal business”.

How about being called to active duty and then sending a letter refusing to serve from Oxford?

That cool?

JeffR

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Some refuse from Oxford, some dodge by going to the Texas Air Guard.
Then they go AWOL.

You can’t go AWOL from Oxford.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
vroom wrote:

They are similar, but they are not the same.

If I tell you to cross the street because you are on my sidewide, and you do, then you are a pussy.

Well, this doesn’t even make any sense. Because I am on your ‘sidewide’? Speak clearly.
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Man, are you fucking mentally deficient or what? I’d accuse you of playing dumb, but I don’t think you are playing…

Of course I see the moral and ethical implications… and you trying to suggest I don’t is just more of the same bullshit.

The question that I raised was about succumbing to temptation…

So, let me ask you, is Bush a pussy for folding to the temptation of alcohol (and possibly drugs) over and over again? That’s certainly a weakness. He shoudl be a pussy too for succumbing to temptation, at least according to your qualification.

Regardless, the points being talked about, at least the important ones, have nothing to do with this nonsense.

Bullshit. If you find a wallet on the ground and keep the money in it, are you a pussy? No, it isn’t the same thing at all. Being a pussy is folding under pressure, not simply being unable to hold yourself to high standards. Choose another word for that one… perhaps lack of character, moral fiber, or whatever.

Now, Clinton may be a pussy, but it’s not because he messed around with Monica. Millions of men, from all countries and backgrounds, have fallen apart on this issue – and they aren’t all pussies.

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Honestly, do you think anyone, anywhere, and anytime has ever thought you an authority on anything remotely masculine?[/quote]

Unlike yourself, I’ve never claimed to be an authority on anything.

However, a lot of people think masculinity is the same as being a bully and a blowhard who never admits a mistake. At least by the evidence around these parts.

Masculinity isn’t simply about being tough of mouth and obstinate either.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
knewsom wrote:
JeffR wrote:
knewsom wrote:
I don’t give two shits what Clinton did with his dick. That’s his business, not mine, and I do not have the right to critisize his personal life. Neither do any of you fucks. I don’t even care that he lied about it. If the man had an abnormal penis, and people accused him of having one, and he lied about having an abnormal penis, would anyone think less of the man? FUCK no.

Hey, knewsom. That myopic view leaves out what many of us REALLY object to.

Essentially clinton thought he was above the law in a sexual harrassment case.

Plain and simple. Above the law.

JeffR

You really mean to tell me that the man haing extra marital sex or pinching a lady’s behind is more important to you than sending thousands of soldiers to their deaths on false pretenses? Is that REALLY how you see the world?

If so, dude, you’ve got some SERIOUSLY messed up priorities.

…and find me a link to suppor the claim that he thought he was above the law in a sexual harrassment suit.

and once more, I’m going to tell you to look at Arnold Schwarzenegger and make the same statment.

knewsom,

I thought you were better than this. Instead of acknowledging that there may be more to this than you’ve been told, you change the subject.

Let’s review. Paula Jones’ lawyers started the ball rolling after she accused billy boy of sexual harassment. That led to linda tripp and eventually to monica. The prosecutor was trying to establish a pattern of behavior consistent with a sexual harasser (very common in these cases). billy was finally cornered and lied under oath.

He was then disbarred for doing just that.

Again, I notice your defense mechanism at work. Instead of IMAGINING a female in your life being taken to bill’s office and pressured to have sex (or worse) you are focusing on “pinching” asses.

I’m talking about far worse here.

Again, at least do me the courtesy of thinking about this.

All of this is in the public record.

JeffR
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Hey, hey, hey, don’t change the subject.

It’s about your boy Wallace getting his ass whipped by Clinton.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
vroom wrote:

They are similar, but they are not the same.

If I tell you to cross the street because you are on my sidewide, and you do, then you are a pussy.

Well, this doesn’t even make any sense. Because I am on your ‘sidewide’? Speak clearly.

However, if you cross the street because there is a pretty girl on the other side, but you shouldn’t go there, then you have red blood in your veins.

This is tragically stupid. If you can’t see the moral and ethical importance of keeping a promise of fidelity that you made to your family, I can’t help you. It is no wonder you have zero concept of masculinity - you don’t even have the basic idea of keeping a promise to your wife down.

Keeping the promise is resisting temptation - otherwise, what is the point in making the promise? Why bother with it if it wasn’t hard to keep? Why pledge to do something, as a matter of honor, that is easy?

Succumbing to temptation is weakness - especially when it involves hurting and breaking the trust of those you have a moral obligation to. When you succumb, knowing full well the implications of the harm you are going to visit on others, and you do it anyway, well, that is the walking, talking definition of a ‘pussy’.

Drink that dog piss up!

Honestly, do you think anyone, anywhere, and anytime has ever thought you an authority on anything remotely masculine?[/quote]

Men and women get married. Some of them cheat.

I know you’re a timid virgin, but it’s not the end of the world.

Get over it.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
hspder wrote:
JeffR wrote:
You do realize that sexual harrassment and hints of far worse are out there, don’t you?

Now what’s worse to you? Think about a significant female in your life (even if it’s your mother).

knewsom wrote:
I challenge you to think about Arnold Schwarzenegger for a moment, and then make the same statement.

p0wned! :wink:

First of all, only a person who is under five foot six and has an erect penis no longer than 4 inches every uses the letters “powned.”

Now that that has been established, please note that I said, “My friend, if Arnold did that, then my response would be exactly the same.”

Don’t you hate when I do that.

JeffR

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Yes, I do hate it when you pretend to be even more stupid than you actually are.

There’s as much proof, or even more, against Arnold then there is against Clinton.

Now be a lazy fuck and ask me for the links.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
hspder wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Heh - this becoming tragically easy. Once again, Hspder the Self-Anointed Genius Zealot, has whiffed.

What does Bush have to do with my assessment of Clinton? Doesn’t matter what Bush does or has done - my comments were directed strictly at evaluating Clinton, with no comparison to anyone else.

This is called a Red Herring, Professor.

[…]

It’s cute - but dumb.

I am humbled by your greatness, oh great thunderbolt.

Get a grip – I stated right from the get go that I was specifically comparing Clinton to Bush with regards to his Alpha-Maleness. If you changed the context, it was your doing, not mine. If you want to make absolute statements, sure, go ahead. I then ask you to provide examples: tell me oh great one who, in your enlightened opinion is an Alpha Male?

What’s the criteria for this T-manliness?

Thigh pimples? Clinton wins.

Lying under oath? Clinton again

Having State troopers fetch you a groupie? Clinton

Lying about toking up? Clinton

Ducking and dodging the definition of ‘is’? Clinton

Letting UBL go on almost countless occasions, then passing the buck? Clinton

Picking up fat chicks? Clinton

Having the most retarded brother since Billy? Clinton

It’s unanimous. Clinton in a landslide.

He’s such a man’s man.
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Your brother has the most retarded brother.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
There were WMD found. Not to the degree that we suspected - but it was there. [/quote]

You’d better write the President because he is under the impression that there was nothing there. Seriously, he’d like nothing more than to be able to tell the public that WMD’s were really found!!!

You see, what the US went to war about was not a couple shells here and there that had basically degraded to the point of being worthless.

Drink up that dog piss!

Oh, you mean the fact that people held a meeting? Perhaps the substance of the meeting, the result, might be more indicative of whether or not there were actual “links”.

Come on. Do you even care about the facts, or just “your side”. Truth means nothing to you does it? You are worse than Jerffy, because you do have a brain, but you refuse to actually use it for anything.

Slurp slurp!

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I remember a report from the US Senate (you might have heard off them) stating no wmd were found in Iraq and no links existed between Saddam and Al Quada. Do you need the links?
And will you shut your stupid pie-hole when I provide them?

There were WMD found. Not to the degree that we suspected - but it was there.

There are links between Al Qaeda and Sadaam - at the vcery least links between Sadaam and organized islamo-fascist terrorists.

Provide all the links you want - you will still be wrong as Bush did not lie. You can call it whatever you want - but you need more conclusive proof to persuade people that are not disciples of the Kos.

…

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I WON ! ! !

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
knewsom wrote:
If this is in the public record, show me where he had secret servicemen escort a woman to his office where he attempted to rape her. Post me a link. I will read it.

I don’t believe that he attempted to rape Paula Jones. He did, have her escorted by State Policemen and drop his pants.

However, there are darker rumors that are more sinister.

I still maintain that the man was an incredible president, and did great things for this country. He does not deserve to be the scapegoat for 9-11. Whether or not he sexually harassed women or got a blowjob from Monica Lewinski and lied about it is entirely beside the point. It does not remove the myriad of positive contributions he’s made, and I simply do not think its fair to continually berate him and call him a pussy using the same old shit, while trying to pretend that Bush is some great fucking crusader.

I’m sorry. I’ve misjudged you.

It’s like saying that we should forgive a criminal if they happen to have a talent that we approve of.

Worse, if I’m reading your thoughts, we shouldn’t investigate the criminal as long as he continues to provide a public service that I benefit from.

JeffR

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Now hold on there. Investigated? Sure, absolutely! Forgiven? Once he’s paid the price, sure. IMPEACHED FOR LYING ABOUT A BLOWJOB!? get real.

If you want to talk about impeachment for lying, let’s talk about going to war under false pretenses. Whether an oath was made or not, the consequences of that lie have been far greater. If you think Clinton deserved to be impeached for his sins (which I’m certainly not denying - he had plenty), don’t you think Bush should be investigated and impeached for his?

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Your brother has the most retarded brother.[/quote]

LMFAO!!!

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[quote]hspder wrote:
JeffR wrote:
First of all, only a person who is under five foot six and has an erect penis no longer than 4 inches every uses the letters “powned.”

I agree. Because everybody else writes it “p0wned”.

(it’s a zero, not an ‘o’ – the fact that you missed that is very telling – but also extremely amusing in this case, since you just shot yourself in the foot)[/quote]

I did miss it!!! I’m not used to being this close to Mother Earth.

Let me rephrase: Anyone who states the letters and number “p0wned” has to be under five foot three, have an erect penis barely worthy of it’s name, and have a propensity to utter the phrase “sort of.”

JeffR wrote:
Now that that has been established, please note that I said, “My friend, if Arnold did that, then my response would be exactly the same.”

Don’t you hate when I do that.

[quote]So in that case, I expect you to publicly show support Phil Angelides as California’s next governor.
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Forgive me. I’ll have to freely admit to not knowing the intimate details of the Arnold cases.

I don’t know the specifics of these cases.

However, if you post them, I’ll look into them.

It won’t change my sentiment that if he was guilty of these things then he should be punished.

If Arnold was guilty, I wouldn’t support that other clown. I’d vote a write in Conservative first.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
If Arnold was guilty, I wouldn’t support that other clown. I’d vote a write in Conservative first.
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If?

I don’t see you using this word when you talk about allegations concerning Clinton.

Why might that be?