[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Bold prediction: If the amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide continues to increase, the planet will continue to warm.
Bold prediction 2. The amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide will increase because we arent currently changing anything.
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Again - total BS - no causal link between rise in co2 and a rise in temperature EXCEPT for the undisputible fact that a rise in temperature causes a rise in atmospheric co2 - so you have it back-ass-wards - just reading the data.
Also see my ealier link where the british dude totally busts the entire concept altogther form a scientific and mathematic certainty.
You need to catch up on the real science and quit reading all of the garbage pseudo-science the AGW crowd has been polluting the air with . . .[/quote]
This is probably the best argument here, and you raise an interesting comment about the relationship between CO2 and temperature. However, this is ultimately a straw man argument as no climatologist will dispute that temperature increases CO2. This passage from skeptical science explains it pretty well,
“When the Earth comes out of an ice age, the warming is not initiated by CO2 but by changes in the Earth’s orbit. The warming causes the oceans to give up CO2. The CO2 amplifies the warming and mixes through the atmosphere, spreading warming throughout the planet. So CO2 causes warming AND rising temperature causes CO2 rise.”
or you can watch this. skip to 0:50.
STank - thanks for the post - the point I was making is that the data (the only actual directly measured temp and co2 measurements for the last 100 years, give or take) clearly shows a rise in temperature PRIOR to the rise in CO2 thus making the rise in CO2 the effect caused by the rise in temperature.
In addition, CO2 has continued to rise, but the temp stalled and recently declined over the last 10 years - thus, in my mind, completely breaking the concept that a rise in co2 automatically causes a rise in temp - this being the bedrock concept of AGW completely destroys the theory altogether.
On the reverse side, a decline or increase in solar flares, sunspots, radiation has a clear and measureable effect on the earth’s temperature and the recent lack of solar activity directly corresponds with the stalling and the decline of global temperatures over the last 10 years. The same can be said for the ENTIRE recorded temperature rise and fall since we have centuries of both sets of data (solar activity/temperatures)there is a clear, defineable and observable link between the sun and our global temperatures that is predictable and accurate.
This makes the AGW theory completely bankrupt in my opinion and this proven data is why the AGW crowd has moved from “we’re entering a ice age” in the 70’s, to “we’re entering a period of global warming” in the 90’s to “we’re causing climate change” in the 2010’s - they have to continually alter their claims because they have never gotten the data or the predictions right.
The moment you start talking about 10 year periods you betray a fundamental lack of knowledge about climate change.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
The moment you start talking about 10 year periods you betray a fundamental lack of knowledge about climate change.[/quote]
I know, right? That’s what I keep telling this silly AGW crowd . . .