Climate Change Anxiety Thread

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I’m inclined to think you’re messing around with me. The problem is our restrictions actually aren’t 100% backed by science. Depending on the approach you wish to take, various scientific politics can be enacted. Epidemiology ought to take into account preventable deaths from other causes, economic ramifications, societal burden/rates of psychological distress, rates of kids dropping out of school, unemoyment etc. Instead all we focus on is “is there zero cases?”

Climate change is almost unanimously supported amongst scientists… Covid zero isn’t, it’s a batshit nanny state political narrative to keep covid zero until we reach a totally unrealistic vaccination quota.

There are various bodies of thought on covid within the medical community, at this point in time very few, if any actual educated experts advocate for long term use of elimination as a sustainable strategy. Singapore is now learning to live with the virus, Australia (and MAYBE NZ… But probably not) is the only democracy that is still holding onto zero covid as a viable strategy.

Politicians here say “these lockdowns are backed by experts”, but they cherry pick the few still advocating for zero covid long term and virtue signal, calling all those who oppose such measures unintelligent Neanderthals/garbage people.

Climate change is different. You won’t find many scientists who outright reject the idea.

Hell we had our PM say the other day “vaccines are not a magic bullet, they’ll help but they aren’t the solution. Lockdowns are the way out”.

Like… Fuck off, virtually every country overseas is opening up after a vaccination rate of say 50% and you can’t even commit to ending lockdowns when we reach 80% with 95% of the most vulnerable vaccinated?

Wannabe tyrant piece of shit premier’s. They ought to be in prison for this. Count up all the years of imprisonment given to those who broke covid restrictions, divide them amongst Scotty from marketing and all state premier’s… Send them to that much prison time, take away all assets/funds they’ve acquired through being in power during pandemic time too

I don’t advocate for authoritarianism but the suffering imposed upon so many Australians… It’s not fair, these power hungry politicians ought to be used as an example as to say “this can never happen again”. But it won’t turn out that way, rather we will probably continually decline towards police state territory.

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It is called sarcasm, and it is a useful tool for better understanding the world around us. I typically employ sarcasm by speaking in plain language using the most accurate terms I can muster. This is how absurdity is best brought to light.

You can look at the questions you quoted as serious questions, because they are when presented by ideologues seeking compliance, or as sarcastic faux-questions meant to get you thinking about the absurdity of the situation and the absurdity of the people advancing those type of arguments in earnest.

There you go again, spreading misinformation. Which Australian authority should I report you to for spreading COVID misinformation?

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It’s kind of funny in a sad way because if you knew who I was you COULD probably report me for my posts and I’d probably be in legal trouble… Be given a fine I literally can’t afford to pay. It’d cripple me financially, I’d have to sell my car, most of my possessions etc.

So… In the off chance you know who I am

Please … Don’t…

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Relax bud. This is why I advocate against what you’re being subjected to. Even if it is just this little corner of the internet.

Enough is enough.

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If only more Australians harboured this sentiment

I personally know many who are like you/me regarding this matter, but you need to keep quiet about it because people will attack you for going against the status quo. I’ve been told I’m “pro death” “dehumanizing people” “a lunatic” etc for saying “we need to stop locking down at this point. The recession will be enormous, societal stability can’t be maintained like this”.

None of the people I know (including myself) are stupid enough to ruin our lives through protests and riots. What’s more, violent protests don’t accomplish anything. It damages small businesses that are already under massive financial strain, it leads to people getting hurt, it’s fucking pointless and it’s degenerate conduct (in my opinion).

Rather, get involved with politics. Change things on the inside, advocate for people to vote for alternate parties that prioritise freedom/civil liberties! Send petitions to parliament

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If you are talking about me. I may not be a denier. I hate the word climate change. It is manipulative and urgent as fuck. it is like a horny dude willing to get laid.

Ecological problems? Sign me up. Plant trees, clean streets or beaches, reduce air polution via less comuting, clean seas and oceans sign me up. I will come and do some hard work for free.

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Yes I was haha.

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I’m also down to contribute in this manner

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I am noticing a good trend in the succesfull milenials in my country. A lot are moving out of the big cities to smaller towns and moving out their business. They also start doing some basic agricultural work and renovating old and forgotten fields. I have friends that are very succesfull dentists who moved their clinic to a village near a big city.

The reason I say this is that i believe less populated cities and more populated towns and villages in the long run will help tackling ecological problems.

The topic inspired me to do some cleaning this morning. thank you @anna_5588 .

I hope the climate change denier can inspire you today as well.

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That’s amazing!

Yes, I’ve heard about this. Apparently it’s really good for preventing erosion and restoring topsoil

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Here’s the problem with the deniers though (not calling you one mind you)…by the time the effects of something bad happens to where it is undeniable it will be too late to do anything about it. You don’t wait to start brushing your teeth until you see them rotting. By then even if you brush your teeth all the time and floss the damage is done.

At this point ice has been melting and temps have been rising for a while now. You’ve got lots of extreme weather conditions popping up. When does it become urgent?

It’s very likely we are already at a spot where significant change is baked in for a period of time. But the longer we do little or pretend something isn’t urgent it may be far worse.

If you’re relatively lean and you gain twenty pounds it likely isn’t urgent that you do something this second or yet. But if you continue on that path it will only be a matter of time until it’s absolutely urgent that you do something. The time to act is before it’s a huge problem. Not to decide to lose weight after you got obesity related health problems.

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The 1920’s.

I don’t think the climate or weather will ever be an urgent problem requiring dramatic changes to the economy, population or our way of life. The data seem to suggest humans have made dramatic improvements and adaptations that mitigate the problems mother nature can throw at us.

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It’s true. Just look at how people adapted to living in the Sahara. It’s paradise.

The funny thing is the people who don’t trust the science are the ones saying science will save us.

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I still havent seen proof that it is human indicted. The temperature has risen with 1 degree by Celsium. Is it all us? Is it nature? Is it the Sun? How much is us? Are we responsible for 1 degree or 0.000001 degree?

As far as I am aware we are post mini ice age, which means it is normal for temperatures to be rising.

As far as I know natural disasters have always happend. We just started recording them. So how do you know it is not the norm? Are there measurements for the past several post mini ice ages, so we can draw conclusions?

As far as I know even humans have lived through hotter times and more carbon dense atmosphere. So how do we know that what was in 1920 is the norm and not what was 10000 years ago.

See you are not convincing me with this. I need some solid measurements. At least of how much the temperature has increased from 1820 to 1920. So we can compare to 1920 to 2020. If it is also 1 degree, do we have to worry at all?

by hr way he little ice age ended in 1860. All temperature recordings start from 1880. There are measurements done in central England around 1650, which conviniently I am not able to find. But every god damn source online states that the temperature starts slightly rising between 1880 and 1920 and then the temperature rise starts increasing a bit faster. Which sounds pretty reasonable to me with the air cleaning off the volcaninc eruptions causing the mini ice age that almost wiped earths population due to cold, lack of food, sickness and pandemic.

So please convince me. How being a post mini ice age that almost wiped humanity and lasted for 5 centuries is weaker source of wather influence than carbon emissions? And again doea the sun play a role here?

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Here’s where I stand on this. Evidence suggests that whatever humans are doing now the rate of temperature increase is greater than most of known history (see ice core samples from Antarctica). However, even if humans aren’t contributing to global climate change, shouldn’t we still push for “greener” technologies that don’t pollute as much? We know pollution is a serious problem and does in fact cause health issues (look at regions of China and India where emissions are not well regulated).
Heck, even where I live in Florida it has been proven that in a nearby city the water was polluted bad enough to cause a spike in local cancer cases worthy of a class action lawsuit.
Cleaning things up like that is worth doing.

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Deaths are an awful metric to use for this and that should be beyond obvious. You can’t think of much difference from 1920 to know in terms of likelihood of death?

Pretty much this. Don’t trust science on Covid, but smart people are always coming up with something to save us so don’t worry about that here. Except for a great majority of the smart people are saying we should make changes now.

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You said as far as I know a whole bunch. I’m not trying to be a dick but you said as far as you know no one was discussing ivermectin or whatever in the “mainstream” media.

You can find an absolute ton on the subject if you want. I’m not going to convince you myself because that’s not my field at all. It’s not as simple as correcting you on the ivermectin. That took a few seconds. And I really don’t want to spend time finding what I think are good links to be dismissed by yeah according to MSM or whatever.

I didn’t even call you a denier and I was very specific with why I thought dismissing something like this as not urgent is not wise. Again it’s not urgent that I brush my teeth tonight. I have great oral health and no concerns. Not urgent in the slightest. But we would all agree I shouldn’t make it a habit of ignoring it right?

Heck I even said in the beginning that I think humans have always came up with stuff no doubt I am definitely on the don’t run around screaming like chicken little right now on it.

As best as I’ve read it seems like most of the people who have a profession in studying and knowing at the highest levels seem to think it has the potential to be a massive problem.

Urgent can also be subjective. If you went to 99 out of 100 heart doctors and they all said you need to get your heart tested as your risk for heart attack was high would you if you didn’t feel bad? Would you trust them or would you wait because it didn’t seem like a big deal right that instant?

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Deaths seem quite relevant to me, but the obvious metric you’re imagining is escaping me. Can you explain what that metric is?

World population certainly comes to mind.

The chart I pasted above is absolute numbers of deaths, not a percentage by population. When you consider how much the world population has grown since the 1920’s, the dramatically decreasing existential threat weather events pose to humans gets put into a much better perspective.

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Ok an earthquake of a large size hits the same area in California in 1920 and tomorrow. Can you think of why total deaths might be higher then than now?

I mean it would seem pretty obvious that 2021 California is much better prepared to save lives than 1920 right? I mean the response in terms of medical equipment and emergency preparedness, technology, government etc is countless magnitudes greater.

A tornado, flood, fire, etc all much more likely to be a death in 1920 than today.

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Antibiotics.