Clark Kent = Emo Wuss?

[quote]sugarfree wrote:

I agree and I don’t. Compare Reeves from the start of the first movie to the end of the second. They were made back to back. He gained so much during that shots taken of him at the begginning didn’t match later shots.
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Different time period as well. When the original Superman came out, Reeves was pretty damn big compared to any actors most people had seen before. I remember thinking that Rambo was a freaking beast when I was a kid.

Now I look at old pictures and it amazes me that I am bigger than that now and don’t consider his development that impressive at all. I think Singer needed to consider that.

If Reeves were still alive and of the age to do the role, you can guarantee he would have made improvements for a sequel. If the guy playing Wolverine can add some more muscle, so can the guy playing one of the most popular comic book heroes in the world.

Sadly, Clark Kent from the comic does not count. Bryan Singer is more a Richard Donner’s Superman Movie fan than a comic fan.

So much so, when making X-men, he would watch Donner’s Superman in his trailer between takes.

I think he could of added 20 pounds or more of muscle and he would of been great.

Had to put in my Superman DVD. They spend at least 10 minutes at first to set up part 2. No way this could be done today.

[quote]sugarfree wrote:
This is emo.[/quote]

Ok,wait a minute.
Spiderman has ALWAYS been pretty lean.I think they did pretty good on that.He actually added muscle for the role.

[quote]sugarfree wrote:

At least Lex is bald this one.[/quote]

If you’re talking about the 1st & 2nd, Lex was bald, we was just wearing a toupe, it slips off in one of the two, can’t remember

[quote]jojobear wrote:
sugarfree wrote:

At least Lex is bald this one.

If you’re talking about the 1st & 2nd, Lex was bald, we was just wearing a toupe, it slips off in one of the two, can’t remember [/quote]

Yes, but the REAL Lex would never wear a rug. He didn’t care.

But then you get into which Lex is Lex.
In the comics, Lex has ranged from failed mad scientist, to a bad kingpin clone to a crappy kingpin clone that became president.

[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
sugarfree wrote:
This is emo.

Ok,wait a minute.
Spiderman has ALWAYS been pretty lean.I think they did pretty good on that.He actually added muscle for the role.[/quote]

Added muscle from what??? From playing a starving 105lb horse jockey in Seabiscuit?

haha…funny about spider man is that they used CG methods to make Toby look buff. They took another dude’s cut up muscular body and just put Toby’s face on it. Easier than steroids I guess.

The previews for superman look pretty cool…so Imma check it out.

[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
sugarfree wrote:
This is emo.

Ok,wait a minute.
Spiderman has ALWAYS been pretty lean.I think they did pretty good on that.He actually added muscle for the role.[/quote]

Emos also dye their hair black. Which is not the case for Tobey. No emo there. Tobey also has the focused ‘Killer Instinct’ look in his eyes, whereas emos have that ‘Woe is me’, lost-out-there gaze. It’s like comparing a man to a child. End of story.

Superman is supposed to look like the average sized man not freakin Craig Titus… I am one of the biggest Superman Fans, at first i thought they had to be kiding with this Brandon Routh. But after watching the Trailers on Blue Tights.Net I kinda dig the guy as Supes. I think the movie is going to kick ass.

In reality superman would be REALLY skinny. He is so strong, nothing he could do would challenge his muscles to grow. That’s if the molecular density explanation is being used. Also he would have a heck of a time eating enough to stay alive.

The whole superman thing is supposed to relate to the superego theory of that part of us that is innately keen on helping mankind and doing the greater good. Clark is supposed to be an ordinary guy who who still wants to do the right thing but the superman side of things is that he has the power to do so. Originally he couldn’t fly either, he was just real strong (hence, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, a pretty pointless ability if you can fly) the flying was to undo the boundaries, because in psyche, the superego is supposed to find its boundaries ie what you can and cannot do, how much you can sacrifice of yourself to help others. Superman has no physical boundaries but meets tonnes of emotional/social etc… boundaries.

but yeah that clark guy looks whimp in the model shot but OK as clark

the whole “cannot recognise with glasses” is because people put too many assumptions on others and appearances etc… and don’t see the inner strength not just of superman but of themselves, and especially back to superego, they don’t recognise the innate goodwill of man to do good for other men.

I think he would be perfect if he added ~20 lbs of muscle and a little fat.

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
In reality superman would be REALLY skinny. He is so strong, nothing he could do would challenge his muscles to grow. That’s if the molecular density explanation is being used. Also he would have a heck of a time eating enough to stay alive.

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This isn’t true. I hate to be an extreme nerd on this, but I read the explanation in an old comic years ago. Kryptonians are supposed to be “physically superior” to humans. Even if he didn’t work out he would still carry more muscle mass than average. Apparently a suit just hides it well. He also doesn’t NEED to eat.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This isn’t true. I hate to be an extreme nerd on this, but…[/quote]

These types of threads really bring out the worst in us. lol

[quote]MarcAnthony wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This isn’t true. I hate to be an extreme nerd on this, but…

These types of threads really bring out the worst in us. lol[/quote]

I’m only 1/4 nerd. The rest is a mix of barbarian and porn star.

I understand that these are actors and this is a movie. You don’t necessarily have to be a bodybuilder to be an actor, hence the muscle padding put in the Spiderman suit - see the special features (p.s. are those shoulder pads in the Super suit - I think so!)

But this Superman does not have the physical presence of any of the previous actors (even Dean Cain).
Sorry. Just not feeling it

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
In reality superman would be REALLY skinny. He is so strong, nothing he could do would challenge his muscles to grow. That’s if the molecular density explanation is being used. Also he would have a heck of a time eating enough to stay alive.

This isn’t true. I hate to be an extreme nerd on this, but I read the explanation in an old comic years ago. Kryptonians are supposed to be “physically superior” to humans. Even if he didn’t work out he would still carry more muscle mass than average. Apparently a suit just hides it well. He also doesn’t NEED to eat.[/quote]

I think the molecular density theory was introduced later. I know that originally, the author was just wondering "I wonder if girls would like me more if I was like really strong, could jump really high etc… " and so he invented the mild mannered normal guy and his alter ego superman … who couldn’t fly at first.

I never really read the comics I just watched the old George Reeves series on TV … back then, my god, you’d swear he was really flying, state of the art special effects! Although I always thought he would land on his head because they never showed him turning himself upright before landing.

And it never made sense that when people stabbed him, the knife bent - I mean, if I stab a brick wall and the knife bends, that means I am strong enough to bend the knife.

I’m completely with the Prof on this one. Singer may tell a hell of a story. The rest of the movie may be in perfect order (the sets look freakin’ fantastic). Routh worked his ass off to add muscle mass, and apparently they had to refit the suit twice during shooting because he kept gaining.

But they freakin’ designed the suit to make him look smaller and leaner, and that. Just. SUCKS.

Addressing prior points:

  1. Superman was not meant to look like he was average size or a normal man. Ever. From his inception he was designed to appear as the pinnacle of human development, “super” in appearance, in capacity, and in nobility of spirit. Shuster repeatedly said that he based the athletic stunts of Superman on Douglas Fairbanks Jr., but in terms of physique he found inspiration in the strongmen of the era.

That’s why in the original drawing Superman was often depicted wearing Greco-Roman type sandals/leg wraps. Given the era, photos of John Grimek may well have provided the model for some of the original Superman sketches.

He wouldn’t be able to realistically get big without challenge to his muscles? Okay, we’ll ignore the improbability of a man who can fly and shoot laser beams from his eyes, and focus on his build.

This is a being who comes from an society so scientifically advanced that they make ours look like neanderthals. A society where couples are chosen based on genetic compatibility in creating the most perfect children possible – who are then born not from their mothers, but from artificial birthing chambers.

Chances are, he’s at least partially genetically engineered to maintain peak fitness with minimal effort, given the Kryptonian disdain for ‘earthy’ activities.

He’s then launched across the universe and ends up on a Kansas farm, where his powers are slow to develop. In his formative years he helps with the heavy labour of farm chores, testing his prodigious strength against bigger and bigger tasks. That perfect genetic makeup is stuffed daily with wholesome, home-grown foods that manage to turn lesser men into blocks of muscle.

2)His abilities weren’t conceived of simply as a notion of “maybe the girl would like me more if I could…” Nor were they really purposely conceived of based upon psychological theory. :slight_smile: The original Siegel & Shuster Superman was actually a villain in a pulp-fiction sci-fi world. They abandoned that idea and revisited it again later, depiciting him as heroic the second time around.

Siegel & Shuster were Jewish kids living in a poor area of town. They saw a lot of things, a lot of social injustices, that really pissed them off. Superman isn’t the fantasy of getting the girl – he’s not the adolescent power fantasy that certain pop culture analysts in the press would like to paint him as – the character is meant to be the fantasy of altruism. The power isn’t the fantasy, it’s the vehicle by which the fantasy is achieved.

The first stories of Superman depict him terrorizing corrupt politicians, ending wars, capturing a murderer and saving a man wrongfully convicted of murder, and whuppin’ on a wife-beater.

The last I knew is that this new Superman suit was actually padded. If I remember correctly, it was at ign.com, but I could be wrong.

I don’t quite see Brandon Routh filling it out that much honestly. True, I doubted his ability to play superman, but after watching the trailers and TV spots… I’m beginning to think he might be the right guy for the job. I think it will be a good movie… or at least I hope it is.

Physically, is Brandon Routh up for the job to play Superman as we’ve come to know him in the comics? No. He just doesn’t have the build for it, but he does seem to have that Chris Reeves charm that made the first two movies good.

~V