[quote]pat wrote:
No rant, it’s the truth. You don’t deserve special rights because you were born or choose to behave in a manner outside the norm. I think you are just whining, really.
You are lobbying for rights based on your sexual behaviour and preference, I cannot think of anything more ridiculous or absurd.
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What you’re not getting, deliberately or otherwise, is that the IDENTICAL argument was used to deny people the right to marry someone of another race. And people actually believed it at the time.
[quote]forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
No rant, it’s the truth. You don’t deserve special rights because you were born or choose to behave in a manner outside the norm. I think you are just whining, really.
You are lobbying for rights based on your sexual behaviour and preference, I cannot think of anything more ridiculous or absurd.
What you’re not getting, deliberately or otherwise, is that the IDENTICAL argument was used to deny people the right to marry someone of another race. And people actually believed it at the time.[/quote]
No it wasn’t. Blacks were not considered social equals, that’s different than sexual preference. Gay people are not considered less of a person or socially unequal as blacks were. Nobody knows your gay unless you tell them or demonstrate it for them.
No rant, it’s the truth. You don’t deserve special rights because you were born or choose to behave in a manner outside the norm. I think you are just whining, really.
You are lobbying for rights based on your sexual behaviour and preference, I cannot think of anything more ridiculous or absurd.
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What special rights? Straight people would also have the right to marry someone of the same gender.
[quote]pat wrote:
No it wasn’t. Blacks were not considered social equals, that’s different than sexual preference. Gay people are not considered less of a person or socially unequal as blacks were. Nobody knows your gay unless you tell them or demonstrate it for them.[/quote]
You’re still not getting it. People argued that blacks wanted SPECIAL RIGHTS by virtue of marrying someone of another race. They argued that blacks already had MARRIAGE EQUALITY because they could marry someone of the same race, just like whites could do.
Your song and dance about gays wanting SPECIAL RIGHTS is the identical argument. The only difference is that you feel justified in discriminating against gays, while back then the racial bigots felt justified in discriminating against blacks. That they insisted it wasn’t discrimination doesn’t make it any less true that it was.
[quote]forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
No it wasn’t. Blacks were not considered social equals, that’s different than sexual preference. Gay people are not considered less of a person or socially unequal as blacks were. Nobody knows your gay unless you tell them or demonstrate it for them.
You’re still not getting it. People argued that blacks wanted SPECIAL RIGHTS by virtue of marrying someone of another race. They argued that blacks already had MARRIAGE EQUALITY because they could marry someone of the same race, just like whites could do.
Your song and dance about gays wanting SPECIAL RIGHTS is the identical argument. The only difference is that you feel justified in discriminating against gays, while back then the racial bigots felt justified in discriminating against blacks. That they insisted it wasn’t discrimination doesn’t make it any less true that it was.[/quote]
Please provide a link or some sort of proof that "People argued that blacks wanted SPECIAL RIGHTS by virtue of marrying someone of another race. They argued that blacks already had MARRIAGE EQUALITY because they could marry someone of the same race, just like whites could do. "
I have never seen such justification against interracial marriage.
You want special rights based on who you want to have sex with and I see no precedence or need for it. It’s an idiotic argument. You can sing and dance all you want, but you are lobbying for rights based on sexual preference. I don’t believe the legislature is in the business of creating benefits based on sexual preferences.
People frequently opposed interracial marriage on the basis of biblical references about Cain, commandments to Israel not to marry other nations, etc. They believed that denying someone from marrying a person of a different race was sanctioned by god, and felt justified in doing so based on what their holy book said. Sound familiar?
Loving v. Virginia was the pivotal Supreme Court case that overturned anti-miscegenation laws. On June 12, 2007, Mildred Loving issued a rare public statement, which commented on same-sex marriage, prepared for delivery on the 40th anniversary of the Loving v. Virginia decision of the US Supreme Court. The concluding paragraphs of her statement read as follows:
[quote]Surrounded as I am now by wonderful children and grandchildren, not a day goes by that I don’t think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the “wrong kind of person” for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people’s religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people’s civil rights.
I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.[/quote]
[quote]forlife wrote:
People frequently opposed interracial marriage on the basis of biblical references about Cain, commandments to Israel not to marry other nations, etc. They believed that denying someone from marrying a person of a different race was sanctioned by god, and felt justified in doing so based on what their holy book said. Sound familiar?
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No. Does not sound the same at all. Your biblical reference is a strawman, we were not speaking in term of scripture, but rather obtaining rights and/ or privileges based on sexual preference.
[quote]pat wrote:
[…]Your assessment is incorrect.[/quote]
When I read a different list for once that doesn’t put homosexuals into the same sentence with lawbreakers, deviants and sociopaths, then I’ll happily stand corrected.
[quote]forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
No rant, it’s the truth. You don’t deserve special rights because you were born or choose to behave in a manner outside the norm. I think you are just whining, really.
You are lobbying for rights based on your sexual behaviour and preference, I cannot think of anything more ridiculous or absurd.
What you’re not getting, deliberately or otherwise, is that the IDENTICAL argument was used to deny people the right to marry someone of another race. And people actually believed it at the time.[/quote]
You always forget the most important part of this equation:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
No rant, it’s the truth. You don’t deserve special rights because you were born or choose to behave in a manner outside the norm. I think you are just whining, really.
You are lobbying for rights based on your sexual behaviour and preference, I cannot think of anything more ridiculous or absurd.
What you’re not getting, deliberately or otherwise, is that the IDENTICAL argument was used to deny people the right to marry someone of another race. And people actually believed it at the time.
You always forget the most important part of this equation:
Black = genetic
Homosexual = Not proven to be genetic
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But wait what about all those teachers that say being a homosexual is genetic. Are you saying that teachers might be wrong? But they are teachers, no way.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
No rant, it’s the truth. You don’t deserve special rights because you were born or choose to behave in a manner outside the norm. I think you are just whining, really.
You are lobbying for rights based on your sexual behaviour and preference, I cannot think of anything more ridiculous or absurd.
What you’re not getting, deliberately or otherwise, is that the IDENTICAL argument was used to deny people the right to marry someone of another race. And people actually believed it at the time.
You always forget the most important part of this equation:
Black = genetic
Homosexual = Not proven to be genetic
But wait what about all those teachers that say being a homosexual is genetic. Are you saying that teachers might be wrong? But they are teachers, no way.[/quote]
One (and only one) of the problems regarding homosexuality is that any sort of alternative ideas are constantly disregarded in favor of a certain way of thinking. Facts are always the first casualty of politically correct thinking.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
OBoile wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
You’re not born gay,
How exactly do you know this?
It’s a choice. I guess if you are hyper masculine and have an over whelming urge to dominate males or you are so submissive you wish to be dominated by all males than I guess you’re born with the ghey.[/quote]
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
But wait what about all those teachers that say being a homosexual is genetic. Are you saying that teachers might be wrong? But they are teachers, no way.[/quote]
What about the fact that every major medical and mental health organization, based on 40 years of research, has drawn the same conclusions as the educational institutions?
Or are you going to play games and pretend that ONLY the educational institutions have reached these conclusions?
[quote]forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
But wait what about all those teachers that say being a homosexual is genetic. Are you saying that teachers might be wrong? But they are teachers, no way.
What about the fact that every major medical and mental health organization, based on 40 years of research, has drawn the same conclusions as the educational institutions?
Or are you going to play games and pretend that ONLY the educational institutions have reached these conclusions?[/quote]
No, they do not, they speculate. Or presume, or theorize that being homosexual is genetic.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
But wait what about all those teachers that say being a homosexual is genetic. Are you saying that teachers might be wrong? But they are teachers, no way.
What about the fact that every major medical and mental health organization, based on 40 years of research, has drawn the same conclusions as the educational institutions?
Or are you going to play games and pretend that ONLY the educational institutions have reached these conclusions?[/quote]
Every thing is genetic. We are all are more biased to behave one way as opposed to another due to genetics and the environment we are in. Obese people are blaming obesity on genetics. Sure, it can play a role, but to say that you are obese just because of genetics is bullshit.
Like i posted earlier in this thread, the few gay people i have met and spoken to told me it was a choice. I think you are just trying to validate your choice.
Straight people and gay people have the same rights.
I am straight, and you are gay. Both of us can marry women and neither of us can marry men (well i can, cause i’m from Canada but that’s besides the point). How do i have more rights than you do? You just choose to do something that is illegal.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
No, they do not, they speculate. Or presume, or theorize that being homosexual is genetic.[/quote]
Wrong. The conclusions of the major medical, mental health, and educational organizations are based on 40 years of scientific research. Much as you would like to dismiss these conclusions because they disagree with your religious biases, that doesn’t make them any less valid.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
the few gay people i have met and spoken to told me it was a choice. I think you are just trying to validate your choice. [/quote]
That’s interesting, since I’ve talked with hundreds of gay people and not a single one has ever said that their sexual orientation was a choice. The medical, mental health, and educational institutions all agree.
You’re probably making the same mistake most people do who don’t know what they’re talking about, by confusing sexual orientation with sexual behavior.
You can choose whether or not to have sex. You can’t choose who you actually find attractive.