[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
Probably because your from some anti government, commie, pinko, commune in Siberia! You can’t possibly be from anywhere else.[/quote]
Pssst…
He is anti-government because he is more conservative than you.
That actually makes you the liberal in this argument.
And, as a shout out to HH: Check your premises.
HOLY SH–!!!
[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
Probably because your from some anti government, commie, pinko, commune in Siberia! You can’t possibly be from anywhere else.[/quote]
commie, pinko…? those ideas contradict the notion of being anti-state.
Nope, I just believe in the idea of nonaggression and the notion that none can be above the law…natural law, that is.
If an action is immoral for the individual then it must also be immoral for the individuals who act on behalf of the state. Theft is wrong yet government can get away with it by calling it “taxation”? Slavery is wrong yet the government can get away with it by calling it “conscription”? Murder is wrong yet the government can get away with it by calling it “capital punishment”? Government is not above the law. That is why I am anti-state.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Bigd1970 wrote:
Probably because your from some anti government, commie, pinko, commune in Siberia! You can’t possibly be from anywhere else.
commie, pinko…? those ideas contradict the notion of being anti-state.
Nope, I just believe in the idea of nonaggression and the notion that none can be above the law…natural law, that is.
If an action is immoral for the individual then it must also be immoral for the individuals who act on behalf of the state. Theft is wrong yet government can get away with it by calling it “taxation”? Slavery is wrong yet the government can get away with it by calling it “conscription”?
Murder is wrong yet the government can get away with it by calling it “capital punishment”? Government is not above the law. That is why I am anti-state.[/quote]
To bad it doesn’t work in the real world. You need some kind of regulation and order, or those from some other society can and will exert their will on you.
In years ago, crimes were solved and justice was meeted out very quickly. now we have more rules and rights for the criminals. About 100 or so years ago, Colonel Jeff Cooper said that sex crimes were almost unknown.
Someone raped your daughter, you and your sons went and took care of it and no one would say boo. It was quick justice and it worked. Citizens have allowed the government to do more and more for themselves as time has gone on, and then they wonder why we have lost our freedoms.
If you have such a problem with our own government, where would you live instead?
[quote]tom63 wrote:
To bad it doesn’t work in the real world. You need some kind of regulation and order, or those from some other society can and will exert their will on you.[/quote]
This is the real world and it does work this way regardless of government intervention. Society does not exert a will. There is no collective will. This is not Star Trek…there is no Borg.
Why is it bad that “some other society” might do something terrible but yet no one sees government as the cause of it all? Why is it individuals do not go to war but governments do – why should their cause be my one? There is something terribly contradictory about government protecting its citizens while taking their rights away at the same time.
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If you have such a problem with our own government, where would you live instead? [/quote]
I will live where ever I want and I will fight tooth and nail against the encroachment of government upon my life. I reject that government has any rights over me. I will protect me and mine and I won’t be intimidated.
Running away does not solve problems. Fighting for what one believes in can and does work.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
tom63 wrote:
To bad it doesn’t work in the real world. You need some kind of regulation and order, or those from some other society can and will exert their will on you.
This is the real world and it does work this way regardless of government intervention. Society does not exert a will. There is no collective will. This is not Star Trek…there is no Borg.
Why is it bad that “some other society” might do something terrible but yet no one sees government as the cause of it all? Why is it individuals do not go to war but governments do – why should their cause be my one? There is something terribly contradictory about government protecting its citizens while taking their rights away at the same time.
If you have such a problem with our own government, where would you live instead?
I will live where ever I want and I will fight tooth and nail against the encroachment of government upon my life. I reject that government has any rights over me. I will protect me and mine and I won’t be intimidated.
Running away does not solve problems. Fighting for what one believes in can and does work.[/quote]
You don’t do a damn thing except sit in your moms basement and “fight the power”. Get a life. You pay your fuckin’ taxes, obey the law and do whatever the fuck else you are supposed to do. If you don’t you will be visiting a very fine govt. institution for a period of time determined by one of your organized mobs reffered to as a jury.
All people need structure and order. If you don’t have it someone will create their own structured “evil” and prey on the weak. You have a group of people who need to be protected from exploitation and you have a group that has to be stopped from exploiting the weaker.
Want proof.
You can see as a mob of sheeple did nothing. I guess if government didn’t exsist this mob of people would have leapt to action.
Snipe, if your handle serves as a clue into your chosen occupation, I would assume then you get paid to put bullets into people…?
If I am wrong about that then I apologize but it would also indicate to me you have an occupational bias when it comes to government. Who else but government or some creep would hire someone else to kill someone?
Such a person has the incentive to promote evil out of the benefit it affords him. He either gets hired by government to carry its “war on evil” or he gets hired by some other evil creep to commit said evil.
Regardless, without the evil created by government, such a person is useless to society.
Snipe, what I am trying to say in easier to understand terms is, you do not contribute to society. You only take away from it.
I mean that in the most literal sense.
My job since the age of 17(thats right my parents signed a waiver for me) has been to protect sheeple. There are a decent amount of people who are inherently evil, there are a LARGE majority of people(sheeple) who will be controlled by this evil if it goes unchecked.
Having elected officials, rules and laws keep the honest people honest and the bad people where they belong.
Say what you like but with out organized government the meek would be crushed by the strong. It would be modern day barbarians. My job has always been to make sure that doesn’t happen. Whether or not you think I take away from this society or not.
The last 15 years of my life have been spent serving the honest people of this country and keeping them safe, regardless of what country or circumstance I was in. Keep fighting your good fight though.
I know you served and are jaded for some reason. This country needs people like you who hate what we are, and people like me who would die to make sure the innocent are protected.
[quote]snipeout wrote:
I know you served and are jaded for some reason. This country needs people like you who hate what we are, and people like me who would die to make sure the innocent are protected.[/quote]
If you sleep better at night thinking this more power to you.
Who protects me from people like you?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
snipeout wrote:
I know you served and are jaded for some reason. This country needs people like you who hate what we are, and people like me who would die to make sure the innocent are protected.
If you sleep better at night thinking this more power to you.
Who protects me from people like you?[/quote]
Get real with all your philosophical crap. If you obey the law you have nothing to worry about. I have never once had a problem with cops, undercover or not. I don’t walk around in uniform or with some universal identifier on, and I also carry concealed off duty everywhere I go. If you treat the guy working in McDonalds like a douche would you not expect it back? What makes cops any different? You get what you give. If you are being detained or stopped for something an argument and bad attitude will get you the same place it will if you act like a jackass because your burger is cold.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
tom63 wrote:
To bad it doesn’t work in the real world. You need some kind of regulation and order, or those from some other society can and will exert their will on you.
This is the real world and it does work this way regardless of government intervention. Society does not exert a will. There is no collective will. This is not Star Trek…there is no Borg.
Why is it bad that “some other society” might do something terrible but yet no one sees government as the cause of it all? Why is it individuals do not go to war but governments do – why should their cause be my one? There is something terribly contradictory about government protecting its citizens while taking their rights away at the same time.
If you have such a problem with our own government, where would you live instead?
I will live where ever I want and I will fight tooth and nail against the encroachment of government upon my life. I reject that government has any rights over me. I will protect me and mine and I won’t be intimidated.
Running away does not solve problems. Fighting for what one believes in can and does work.[/quote]
Whatever, what he just said applies. but you like roads? Hospitals? Ambulances or fire departments? Society does need to organize, and if it doesn’t organize in our way, you’re in a lot of trouble.
You will not fight tooth and nail. You’ll roll over like a little weenie and do what you’re told if the feds ever come for you.
[quote]snipeout wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
snipeout wrote:
I know you served and are jaded for some reason. This country needs people like you who hate what we are, and people like me who would die to make sure the innocent are protected.
If you sleep better at night thinking this more power to you.
Who protects me from people like you?
Get real with all your philosophical crap. If you obey the law you have nothing to worry about. I have never once had a problem with cops, undercover or not. I don’t walk around in uniform or with some universal identifier on, and I also carry concealed off duty everywhere I go. If you treat the guy working in McDonalds like a douche would you not expect it back?
What makes cops any different? You get what you give. If you are being detained or stopped for something an argument and bad attitude will get you the same place it will if you act like a jackass because your burger is cold. [/quote]
Exactly, funny how i never have had any trouble with a police officer. Never been arrested and had a few speeding tickets, which I got reduced at a hearing or was let out of it and got a break, because in the words of the officer, I was decent and hoest with them and gave them no hassle.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Snipe, what I am trying to say in easier to understand terms is, you do not contribute to society. You only take away from it.
I mean that in the most literal sense.[/quote]
Are you really this stupid, or did you need special head injuries to attain this level of dumbass?
[quote]snipeout wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
snipeout wrote:
I know you served and are jaded for some reason. This country needs people like you who hate what we are, and people like me who would die to make sure the innocent are protected.
If you sleep better at night thinking this more power to you.
Who protects me from people like you?
Get real with all your philosophical crap. If you obey the law you have nothing to worry about.[/quote]
That is of course unless you’re breaking one of the thousands of confusing laws and you don’t know it. Or if you are breaking laws that no one has any right in making. Do you think a guy should really be charged with a felony for gambling on the internet?
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I have never once had a problem with cops, undercover or not. I don’t walk around in uniform or with some universal identifier on, and I also carry concealed off duty everywhere I go.
If you treat the guy working in McDonalds like a douche would you not expect it back? What makes cops any different? [/quote]
Snipe, this is a point of professionalism. You guys should be treating citizens with respect even when you’re spit on. I understand your point but you guys are entrusted with a massive responsibility and there’s no room for your disliking someone’s attitude to treat them differently.
I have had plenty of trouble with cops. I don’t go to them; they come to me. I have no criminal record and a glowing military one. Only once have I ever lipped off to a cop and I did that AFTER being cuffed, illegally searched and charged at by a cop with his hand on his piece.
Had my wife not been there I’d have run; guy was out of control. He ended up writing a false police report to justify his actions.
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You get what you give. If you are being detained or stopped for something an argument and bad attitude will get you the same place it will if you act like a jackass because your burger is cold. [/quote]
And that’s why many of us have an issue with cops. If you punish someone for simply being a jerk then you are abusing your power.
All that said, I’d like to throw a good job out to the Pullman, Wa PD. I had a very good run in with a cop there a few days ago and deserved a ticket but was let off.
mike
[quote]tom63 wrote:
You will not fight tooth and nail. You’ll roll over like a little weenie and do what you’re told if the feds ever come for you.
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What’ll you do when they come for your .50 caliber rifle?
[quote]snipeout wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
snipeout wrote:
I know you served and are jaded for some reason. This country needs people like you who hate what we are, and people like me who would die to make sure the innocent are protected.
If you sleep better at night thinking this more power to you.
Who protects me from people like you?
Get real with all your philosophical crap. If you obey the law you have nothing to worry about. I have never once had a problem with cops, undercover or not.
I don’t walk around in uniform or with some universal identifier on, and I also carry concealed off duty everywhere I go. If you treat the guy working in McDonalds like a douche would you not expect it back?
What makes cops any different? You get what you give. If you are being detained or stopped for something an argument and bad attitude will get you the same place it will if you act like a jackass because your burger is cold. [/quote]
no one has the right to stop me for anything.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
You will not fight tooth and nail. You’ll roll over like a little weenie and do what you’re told if the feds ever come for you.
What’ll you do when they come for your .50 caliber rifle?[/quote]
Personally, I might compose an angry letter. Ok, maybe an apologetically upset letter. Though I probably won’t be able to keep myself from finishing it with “Thank you for your time, (My signature).”
A couple years ago I was driving in a town in IL at 2am (I worked midnights), and I had a headlight out. A cop pulled me over and politely told me about it.
I went to front of the car and rapped on it, and it came back on, but I assured him that I would get it replaced as the terminals were probably wore down. I thought that would be it, then he looked inside my very messy car and asked if he could search it. I said no.
Then, he was no longer nice or polite, and tried to badger me into letting him search it. I refused. So, he told me to wait in my car and roll up my windows because he was going to get the drug dogs. About 20 minutes later 5 cop cars show up, and two dogs.
They walk the dogs around me car and say “The dogs smell drugs!!!” - drag me out of the car, make me take off my boots and jacket in the freezing cold (in case I am hiding any knives or sharp objects) and tear my car to pieces. They even ripped the carpeting out of the trunk, took out the back seat, and all of my stuff and piled it on the road side.
It took hours, the whole time a half dozen cops are shining lights in my eyes and screaming at me that I better tell them where the drugs are, that since I’m near an interstate I’m obviously trafficking them, etc etc.
They found no drugs. I’ve never taken drugs. They wrote me a ticket for the headlight, told me to never refuse a search, and left me to pick up my back seat, all my stuff, and the trunk carpeting.
I wasn’t argumentative, or have a bad attitude, I just told the officer “no” because there was no reason to search my car because of a headlight.
I find it hard to believe that most cops would just say “Okay, it’s your right to not be searched with just cause.” I said no, and that pissed them off.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
snipeout wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
snipeout wrote:
I know you served and are jaded for some reason. This country needs people like you who hate what we are, and people like me who would die to make sure the innocent are protected.
If you sleep better at night thinking this more power to you.
Who protects me from people like you?
Get real with all your philosophical crap. If you obey the law you have nothing to worry about.
That is of course unless you’re breaking one of the thousands of confusing laws and you don’t know it. Or if you are breaking laws that no one has any right in making. Do you think a guy should really be charged with a felony for gambling on the internet?
I have never once had a problem with cops, undercover or not. I don’t walk around in uniform or with some universal identifier on, and I also carry concealed off duty everywhere I go.
If you treat the guy working in McDonalds like a douche would you not expect it back? What makes cops any different?
Snipe, this is a point of professionalism. You guys should be treating citizens with respect even when you’re spit on. I understand your point but you guys are entrusted with a massive responsibility and there’s no room for your disliking someone’s attitude to treat them differently.
I have had plenty of trouble with cops. I don’t go to them; they come to me. I have no criminal record and a glowing military one. Only once have I ever lipped off to a cop and I did that AFTER being cuffed, illegally searched and charged at by a cop with his hand on his piece.
Had my wife not been there I’d have run; guy was out of control. He ended up writing a false police report to justify his actions.
You get what you give. If you are being detained or stopped for something an argument and bad attitude will get you the same place it will if you act like a jackass because your burger is cold.
And that’s why many of us have an issue with cops. If you punish someone for simply being a jerk then you are abusing your power.
All that said, I’d like to throw a good job out to the Pullman, Wa PD. I had a very good run in with a cop there a few days ago and deserved a ticket but was let off.
mike[/quote]
I understand you have had bad run ins, but do you really expect a human being(the cop) to be treated like dirt and not then find something to write some one on? If you spit in my face(aggravated assault on LEO in NJ)
I am allowed to escalate to physical force i.e. punch your face in or whatever it takes to subdue you and put you in cuffs. I guess I should just grin and bear it if I’m being bitten.
“You will catch more flies with honey than vinegar.” Do you really expect to treat any human being like crap and have them treat you nicely in return?
Am I not being a professional if I write you ticket for a violation? Maybe if the person wasn’t such a douche from jump street they would have not gotten in the mess they were in.