[quote]tom63 wrote:
You will not fight tooth and nail. You’ll roll over like a little weenie and do what you’re told if the feds ever come for you.[/quote]
Yes, reading Lifty’s preening jeremiad about how he’ll defend fort and flag and won’t be intimidated was the best (unintentional) comedy I had all day.
[quote]snipeout wrote:
My job since the age of 17(thats right my parents signed a waiver for me) has been to protect sheeple. There are a decent amount of people who are inherently evil, there are a LARGE majority of people(sheeple) who will be controlled by this evil if it goes unchecked.
Having elected officials, rules and laws keep the honest people honest and the bad people where they belong. [/quote]
LoL @ all the irony in this^ post.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
snipeout wrote:
My job since the age of 17(thats right my parents signed a waiver for me) has been to protect sheeple. There are a decent amount of people who are inherently evil, there are a LARGE majority of people(sheeple) who will be controlled by this evil if it goes unchecked.
Having elected officials, rules and laws keep the honest people honest and the bad people where they belong.
LoL @ all the irony in this^ post.[/quote]
Yes, ha ha ha so much irony. You still never answered the question as to what you do for a living other than monday morning quarterback.
Just curious, prior military or not? I’m pretty sure I know the answer already 
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
You will not fight tooth and nail. You’ll roll over like a little weenie and do what you’re told if the feds ever come for you.
What’ll you do when they come for your .50 caliber rifle?[/quote]
Won’t be found. It will be sold at a gun show years previously to a private individual where there was no paperwork required and buried.
[quote]snipeout wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
snipeout wrote:
My job since the age of 17(thats right my parents signed a waiver for me) has been to protect sheeple. There are a decent amount of people who are inherently evil, there are a LARGE majority of people(sheeple) who will be controlled by this evil if it goes unchecked.
Having elected officials, rules and laws keep the honest people honest and the bad people where they belong.
LoL @ all the irony in this^ post.
Yes, ha ha ha so much irony. You still never answered the question as to what you do for a living other than monday morning quarterback.
Just curious, prior military or not? I’m pretty sure I know the answer already ;-)[/quote]
Yes, there is so much irony. Does the irony strike you as funny? Because it’s no laughing matter… And my occuption is completely and utterly IRRELEVANT in this debate.
And you still never responded to my last response…??? I’ve seen you dodge a lot of posts in this thread actually, not just mine, because you can’t come up with any responses that don’t get torn apart.
The fact that you can’t and won’t answer what you do for a living speaks volumes. I have stated my beliefs and the reasons I back them. My life experience dealing with this is the only source I need. You are the one ducking a simple question. I have answered every question I have seen directed at me.
[quote]snipeout wrote:
The fact that you can’t and won’t answer what you do for a living speaks volumes. I have stated my beliefs and the reasons I back them. My life experience dealing with this is the only source I need. You are the one ducking a simple question.[/quote]
I don’t like disclosing personal details about myself on a popular board such as this, especially considering some of the forums I frequent here.
Again, perhaps your career plays into this discussion, but mine doesn’t. You have career experience with drug users, I have personal experience with drug users. You can leave it at that.
[quote]snipeout wrote:
I have answered every question I have seen directed at me. [/quote]
You need glasses.
[quote]suruppak wrote:
A couple years ago I was driving in a town in IL at 2am (I worked midnights), and I had a headlight out. A cop pulled me over and politely told me about it.
I went to front of the car and rapped on it, and it came back on, but I assured him that I would get it replaced as the terminals were probably wore down. I thought that would be it, then he looked inside my very messy car and asked if he could search it. I said no.
Then, he was no longer nice or polite, and tried to badger me into letting him search it. I refused. So, he told me to wait in my car and roll up my windows because he was going to get the drug dogs. About 20 minutes later 5 cop cars show up, and two dogs.
They walk the dogs around me car and say “The dogs smell drugs!!!” - drag me out of the car, make me take off my boots and jacket in the freezing cold (in case I am hiding any knives or sharp objects) and tear my car to pieces. They even ripped the carpeting out of the trunk, took out the back seat, and all of my stuff and piled it on the road side.
It took hours, the whole time a half dozen cops are shining lights in my eyes and screaming at me that I better tell them where the drugs are, that since I’m near an interstate I’m obviously trafficking them, etc etc.
They found no drugs. I’ve never taken drugs. They wrote me a ticket for the headlight, told me to never refuse a search, and left me to pick up my back seat, all my stuff, and the trunk carpeting.
I wasn’t argumentative, or have a bad attitude, I just told the officer “no” because there was no reason to search my car because of a headlight.
I find it hard to believe that most cops would just say “Okay, it’s your right to not be searched with just cause.” I said no, and that pissed them off.
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In a free society you could have shot all those pigs dead for infringing upon your rights.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
suruppak wrote:
A couple years ago I was driving in a town in IL at 2am (I worked midnights), and I had a headlight out. A cop pulled me over and politely told me about it.
I went to front of the car and rapped on it, and it came back on, but I assured him that I would get it replaced as the terminals were probably wore down. I thought that would be it, then he looked inside my very messy car and asked if he could search it. I said no.
Then, he was no longer nice or polite, and tried to badger me into letting him search it. I refused. So, he told me to wait in my car and roll up my windows because he was going to get the drug dogs. About 20 minutes later 5 cop cars show up, and two dogs.
They walk the dogs around me car and say “The dogs smell drugs!!!” - drag me out of the car, make me take off my boots and jacket in the freezing cold (in case I am hiding any knives or sharp objects) and tear my car to pieces. They even ripped the carpeting out of the trunk, took out the back seat, and all of my stuff and piled it on the road side.
It took hours, the whole time a half dozen cops are shining lights in my eyes and screaming at me that I better tell them where the drugs are, that since I’m near an interstate I’m obviously trafficking them, etc etc.
They found no drugs. I’ve never taken drugs. They wrote me a ticket for the headlight, told me to never refuse a search, and left me to pick up my back seat, all my stuff, and the trunk carpeting.
I wasn’t argumentative, or have a bad attitude, I just told the officer “no” because there was no reason to search my car because of a headlight.
I find it hard to believe that most cops would just say “Okay, it’s your right to not be searched with just cause.” I said no, and that pissed them off.
In a free society you could have shot all those pigs dead for infringing upon your rights.[/quote]
And what about the people that will shoot you dead for infringing on their rights?
[quote]tom63 wrote:
And what about the people that will shoot you dead for infringing on their rights?
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How is defending oneself against a gang of thugs infringing on their rights? Are you to tell me that if I stop muggers from taking my wallet I am also infringing on their rights to steal from me, too?
You lack any bit of sense tommy boy.
Well, there were a half-dozen armed cops, I doubt I’d have been able to shoot my way out.
Still, it begs the question, in a dark street in the middle of the night what prevents the armed police from becoming thugs? Nothing. I was scared as hell that they were going to plant something when they didn’t find anything.
I have two cousins who are policemen. Both think that what these jerks did was completely justified because a lot of drugs get moved through that town, and that a “little inconvenience” on the part of a few citizens is worth getting the drugs they sometimes find off of the streets.
That kind of thinking is completely backwards of course, but I think it is prevalent.
Law enforcement’s line of thinking is that in order to protect you we must kill you.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
tom63 wrote:
And what about the people that will shoot you dead for infringing on their rights?
How is defending oneself against a gang of thugs infringing on their rights? Are you to tell me that if I stop muggers from taking my wallet I am also infringing on their rights to steal from me, too?
You lack any bit of sense tommy boy.[/quote]
Police officers are a little different from a street gang. you need a really good reason to shoot someone legally.
Do you even have a gun and have you ever shot a gun? and do you know how to actually defend yourself, or do you just talk tough?
I’ve taken self defense course in the laws, how to shoot to defend yourself tactically and such. This course involved high stress shooting, reloads under pressure, one arm reloads and shooting an so on. It was a local course, taught by fellows who had taken all of Massad Ayoob’s LFI courses.
Most people i know who have been seriously trained do not talk in such a stupid an cavalier way about lethal self defense.
And you think I lack common sense? If training and knowledge of the local laws is a lack of common sense, but shooting cops who stop you is, I’ll stay may way.
[quote]suruppak wrote:
Well, there were a half-dozen armed cops, I doubt I’d have been able to shoot my way out.
Still, it begs the question, in a dark street in the middle of the night what prevents the armed police from becoming thugs? Nothing. I was scared as hell that they were going to plant something when they didn’t find anything.
I have two cousins who are policemen. Both think that what these jerks did was completely justified because a lot of drugs get moved through that town, and that a “little inconvenience” on the part of a few citizens is worth getting the drugs they sometimes find off of the streets.
That kind of thinking is completely backwards of course, but I think it is prevalent.[/quote]
Unfortunately there will be cases like this sometime. I think the officers were wrong and definitely overzealous, but you did the right thing in staying calm and complying as best as possible while still looking out for your rights.
but shooting them as the dumbass suggested is, well, stupid. You would have one dead you and some officers totally justified in using lethal force.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
That may well be true if I were in Brooklyn. All I know for sure is that I’ve never had a fellow citizen bury my face in the sidewalk for telling a friend who was arrested randomly while crossing a crosswalk not to resist the cop as he was having an asthma attack. I’ve also never had a fellow citizen charge at me with his hand on his pistol for providing only my name and refusing my driver’s license. Nor have I had 4 citizens with hands on their pistols yank me out of line with beer and milk in my hands at the grocery store for legally open carrying my Beretta. Then again, perhaps that’s just because I’m smart enough not to live in Brooklyn.
mike[/quote]
You can’t help where you are born and I can guarantee you that there are tons of people who live in NYC that have higher IQs and make more money than you do at that.
For every one instance you give me of a rogue cop or a cop who gets a little out of hand administering force to savage animal, depraved criminals, I could give you thousands of stories of savage animal sub-human criminals who worse than zoo animals.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
That may well be true if I were in Brooklyn. All I know for sure is that I’ve never had a fellow citizen bury my face in the sidewalk for telling a friend who was arrested randomly while crossing a crosswalk not to resist the cop as he was having an asthma attack. I’ve also never had a fellow citizen charge at me with his hand on his pistol for providing only my name and refusing my driver’s license. Nor have I had 4 citizens with hands on their pistols yank me out of line with beer and milk in my hands at the grocery store for legally open carrying my Beretta. Then again, perhaps that’s just because I’m smart enough not to live in Brooklyn.
mike
You can’t help where you are born and I can guarantee you that there are tons of people who live in NYC that have higher IQs and make more money than you do at that.[/quote]
No, but you can decide where you live when you’re an adult. I trust your second statement is also true. I question whether you are among them. [quote]
For every one instance you give me of a rogue cop or a cop who gets a little out of hand administering force to savage animal, depraved criminals, I could give you thousands of stories of savage animal sub-human criminals who worse than zoo animals.
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You’re probably right. But that doesn’t make you feel any better when you’re the one getting messed with by the cop. I think you miss the point of this post. I’ve never had a citizen hurt me. I have had a police officer hurt me.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
No, but you can decide where you live when you’re an adult. I trust your second statement is also true. I question whether you are among them. [/quote]
People have lots of reasons why they live where they live. Chances are if you live in the city it is either because:
or
For the first case, let me give you an example.
I have a friend who makes anywhere from 50-100$ per hour as a consultant designing websites in Manhattan. He lives close to his job.
So you say well that’s Manhattan…
Well the same scenario can play out in Brooklyn too. They have high priced lawyers and business owners who work there.
As for the second one, it is more common…
Housing in the New York City area is ridiculously expensive. You can pay 500K or more for a tiny ranch in Long Island for example. Some people cannot afford to move out and they are stuck living there.
As for who is smarter than who or who makes more money between us, I couldn’t give a shit.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
You’re probably right. But that doesn’t make you feel any better when you’re the one getting messed with by the cop. I think you miss the point of this post. I’ve never had a citizen hurt me. I have had a police officer hurt me.
mike[/quote]
Yes I am right. Most cops are good people who have an unbelievably stressful job that they are underpaid for. Most suburbanites are completely clueless what it is like to live in a large city, let alone be a cop there. Are there some cops that are assholes or who abuse their power, sure. However… I would rather take my chances on a subway car full of cops than full of criminals. And the people who move out of the city like I did, usually do so because they fear what criminals will do to them or their kids, not rogue cops.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Police officers are a little different from a street gang. you need a really good reason to shoot someone legally.
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Only in the uniform they wear. Their mentality is the same.
Police officers don’t need an reason to shoot anyone. I’ll follow their example.