Citizen Shot By Plainclothes Cops

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jayski wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jayski wrote:
And contrary to what you believe in, if you live in a mob rule, you will not be left the fuck alone, you will have to give something if asked for.

An armed society does no such thing.

LOL If you say so…

I do say so. It was an armed people that put down an entire empire over 200 years ago. This is not the only example I can cite for armed people defending themselves.[/quote]

And did those armed people who put down that empire become the ones they fought against? Sure did. The same thing happens a rebellion becomes successful, they always become just as bad, if not worse. So your examples will probably tell me just that. It’s all a circle.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
snipeout wrote:

Contrary to your belief a decent percentage of people are inherently evil.

This seems a dangerous attitude for an officer to have.

mike

Actually it’s this attitude that keeps me going home to my family every night. If I were to assume that everyone was good I could not stay on my toes.

[/quote]

That’s true. I’m a Marine; I understand that. But it’s also that attitude that sees to it that a lot of decent men don’t go home to their family every night. The fact remains that when you put on that badge every night your purpose in life should be to uphold justice; making it home is secondary to that. I guess that’s what seperates heroes from well…

mike

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
snipeout wrote:

Contrary to your belief a decent percentage of people are inherently evil.

This seems a dangerous attitude for an officer to have.

mike

Actually it’s this attitude that keeps me going home to my family every night. If I were to assume that everyone was good I could not stay on my toes.

That’s true. I’m a Marine; I understand that. But it’s also that attitude that sees to it that a lot of decent men don’t go home to their family every night. The fact remains that when you put on that badge every night your purpose in life should be to uphold justice; making it home is secondary to that. I guess that’s what seperates heroes from well…

mike[/quote]

As much as my job is to uphold the law, I also have a duty to my wife and son. As long as I act with in the scope of my duties I have done my job.

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[quote]Actually it’s this attitude that keeps me going home to my family every night. If I were to assume that everyone was good I could not stay on my toes.
[/quote]

You needn’t assume everyone is good but rather just understand not everyone is evil?

Society could not function if base and evil tendencies were the norm no matter how many cops are in existence; no doubt, evil would have to exist there too.

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[quote]jayski wrote:
And did those armed people who put down that empire become the ones they fought against? Sure did. [/quote]

Well actually, the US did not become an empire over night. There were definite events that happened between then and WWI that contributed to it.

It’s a slow decent but even Rome took 400 years to collapse from existence.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jayski wrote:
And did those armed people who put down that empire become the ones they fought against? Sure did.

Well actually, the US did not become an empire over night. There were definite events that happened between then and WWI that contributed to it.

It’s a slow decent but even Rome took 400 years to collapse from existence.[/quote]

It hardly happens overnight, but the fact remains, it still ends up happening. At first all is good, we are free, but then as crimes go up, the need for police goes up.

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Nyballer31 wrote:
You should fear the drug sellers poisoning the youth of this country, or the gang wars going on by in LA and other cities near the mexican border that have claimed to many innocent lives or how about Black on Black crimes.

Drug sellers poisoning the youth of society? First of all- do you do “DARE” programs? Sounds like you do.

Anyway, the gang bangers, drug cartels, and violence between them are a product of probhition. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

A violent and wickedly competitive black market for illegal drugs CAN’T EXIST IF THE DRUGS ARE LEGAL. How many gangs do you see slinging cigarettes and alcohol? Yeah, exactly. Maybe you should stop demonizing drugs and demonize the drug LAWS that have birthed this fucked up situation.

Maybe you should listen to cops who have common sense, like LEAP(Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)- http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Up until the early 1900s it was pretty much general consensus that the constitution protected an individuals right to ingest or consume whatever the fuck they wanted. That’s what we need to get back to, immediately. [/quote]

Great lets have a society of everybody walking down the street shot up with heroin,on Pcp. That will be great for society.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jayski wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jayski wrote:
And contrary to what you believe in, if you live in a mob rule, you will not be left the fuck alone, you will have to give something if asked for.

An armed society does no such thing.

LOL If you say so…

I do say so. It was an armed people that put down an entire empire over 200 years ago. This is not the only example I can cite for armed people defending themselves.[/quote]

It was a bit more than a mob running around…

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[quote]Nyballer31 wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Nyballer31 wrote:
You should fear the drug sellers poisoning the youth of this country, or the gang wars going on by in LA and other cities near the mexican border that have claimed to many innocent lives or how about Black on Black crimes.

Drug sellers poisoning the youth of society? First of all- do you do “DARE” programs? Sounds like you do.

Anyway, the gang bangers, drug cartels, and violence between them are a product of probhition. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

A violent and wickedly competitive black market for illegal drugs CAN’T EXIST IF THE DRUGS ARE LEGAL. How many gangs do you see slinging cigarettes and alcohol? Yeah, exactly. Maybe you should stop demonizing drugs and demonize the drug LAWS that have birthed this fucked up situation.

Maybe you should listen to cops who have common sense, like LEAP(Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)- http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Up until the early 1900s it was pretty much general consensus that the constitution protected an individuals right to ingest or consume whatever the fuck they wanted. That’s what we need to get back to, immediately.

Great lets have a society of everybody walking down the street shot up with heroin,on Pcp. That will be great for society.

[/quote]

First of all, it’s not your right to choose what a person can or can’t ingest. It’s their own body, it’s their right to do whatever the fuck they want with it. I could really give a fuck what you think is good or isn’t good for society, it’s a person’s OWN BODY. Get this through your skull.

Legalize drugs and make crimes committed while under the influence of drugs carry harsher penalties. This will discourage irresponsible drug use and keep people planted on their couch if they want to get high.

Aside from that there’s no reason to believe that legalization would jumpstart a huge increase in drug use. Huffing gasoline will get you high as fuck but I don’t see anybody doing it because of the health risks involved. You think just because heroin is legal that everyone’s going to rush out and buy a bulk sized pack of needles? I don’t think so.

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:

I’m curious- Do you EVER approach a person or car with the thought that maybe the person is a sane, law abiding citizen? Or is that completely out of the question?

Everyone’s possibly a psychopath or criminal with warrants? Yeah, that sounds like a good approach to every situation. lol.[/quote]

So I should act aloof and act like everybody is a a saint? You do enough carstops and eventually you will get into a hairy situation.Its not if but when. The minute we put on our uniforms we become targets.

Thats not to say cops should treat you like crap, but if your stopped you for going through a redlight, and I tell you to stay in the car once and then a second time and you decide your going to do whatever you want and approach me if you were a cop wouldn’t you be on guard as well?

Just yesterday cops responded to what seemed like a routine domestic disturbance call. As soon as they get into the building the male who is emotionally disturbed charges at the cops with a hunting knife, long story short one was stabbed in the eye and is now going to lose it, two stabbed in the arms and another officer bitten by this man.

What do you thing happened to this man? Nothing he was sent to the hospital for psychological evaluation.Why couldn’t the officers get to there weapons?Why didn’t cops kill this man? They were justified to do so. A good guess is because this event unfolded in mili seconds and before they realized what was happening they were under attack and couldn’t get to there weapon.

Maybe there was also hesitation on the officers part.You see I know you think of cops as animals, but no cop comes to work today and says I’m going to get into a shootout, lose my pension if some kangaroo court disagrees with my decison in the field,go to jail or worse end up dead. Like I said before there are no routine jobs, no situation is the same.

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[quote]

First of all, it’s not your right to choose what a person can or can’t ingest. It’s their own body, it’s their right to do whatever the fuck they want with it. I could really give a fuck what you think is good or isn’t good for society, it’s a person’s OWN BODY. Get this through your skull.

Legalize drugs and make crimes committed while under the influence of drugs carry harsher penalties. This will discourage irresponsible drug use and keep people planted on their couch if they want to get high.

Aside from that there’s no reason to believe that legalization would jumpstart a huge increase in drug use. Huffing gasoline will get you high as fuck but I don’t see anybody doing it because of the health risks involved.

You think just because heroin is legal that everyone’s going to rush out and buy a bulk sized pack of needles? I don’t think so.[/quote]

Firstoff I think your on drugs right now as your writing this.You not making any sense.We were talking about illegal drugs not if drugs were legalized.How the hell would I know what would happen if Drugs were legalized and that you could goto your local 711 and pick up some coke or your drug of choice. If lawamakers want to ammend the laws to allow drug use.So be it. But…

Right now Drugs are illegal and illegal Drugs are responsible for most of the violent crime one way or the other in this country.

What if my mother gets shot walking home because of a drug deal gone wrong?The only thing she is guilty of is being as the wrong place at the wrong time,
Then is does become my problem of what your injesting.

On a secondary note I don’t give a fuck if you want to use drugs in the privacy of your own home.Actually I don’t give a shit what you do in your constitutionally protected home.

But anybody in law enforcement knows its not just that simple.Along with drugs comes violent crime.

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Nyballer31 wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Nyballer31 wrote:
You should fear the drug sellers poisoning the youth of this country, or the gang wars going on by in LA and other cities near the mexican border that have claimed to many innocent lives or how about Black on Black crimes.

Drug sellers poisoning the youth of society? First of all- do you do “DARE” programs? Sounds like you do.

Anyway, the gang bangers, drug cartels, and violence between them are a product of probhition. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

A violent and wickedly competitive black market for illegal drugs CAN’T EXIST IF THE DRUGS ARE LEGAL. How many gangs do you see slinging cigarettes and alcohol? Yeah, exactly. Maybe you should stop demonizing drugs and demonize the drug LAWS that have birthed this fucked up situation.

Maybe you should listen to cops who have common sense, like LEAP(Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)- http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Up until the early 1900s it was pretty much general consensus that the constitution protected an individuals right to ingest or consume whatever the fuck they wanted. That’s what we need to get back to, immediately.

Great lets have a society of everybody walking down the street shot up with heroin,on Pcp. That will be great for society.

First of all, it’s not your right to choose what a person can or can’t ingest. It’s their own body, it’s their right to do whatever the fuck they want with it. I could really give a fuck what you think is good or isn’t good for society, it’s a person’s OWN BODY. Get this through your skull.

Legalize drugs and make crimes committed while under the influence of drugs carry harsher penalties. This will discourage irresponsible drug use and keep people planted on their couch if they want to get high.

Aside from that there’s no reason to believe that legalization would jumpstart a huge increase in drug use. Huffing gasoline will get you high as fuck but I don’t see anybody doing it because of the health risks involved. You think just because heroin is legal that everyone’s going to rush out and buy a bulk sized pack of needles? I don’t think so.[/quote]

Just like legal drinking keeps people from leaving their couch? If drugs were legal you would have a much larger protion of the population addicted to them.

Do you know what chemicals are used to produce most street drugs? Street drugs do irreversible irreparable damage to people and families. Have you ever dealt with heroin junkies and see what it does to a family?

The developmental disorders innocent babies are born with as a result of drugs. There are a ton of reasons they are not legal, what I have mentioned is the tip of the iceberg.

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[quote]Nyballer31 wrote:

First of all, it’s not your right to choose what a person can or can’t ingest. It’s their own body, it’s their right to do whatever the fuck they want with it. I could really give a fuck what you think is good or isn’t good for society, it’s a person’s OWN BODY. Get this through your skull.

Legalize drugs and make crimes committed while under the influence of drugs carry harsher penalties. This will discourage irresponsible drug use and keep people planted on their couch if they want to get high.

Aside from that there’s no reason to believe that legalization would jumpstart a huge increase in drug use. Huffing gasoline will get you high as fuck but I don’t see anybody doing it because of the health risks involved.

You think just because heroin is legal that everyone’s going to rush out and buy a bulk sized pack of needles? I don’t think so.

Firstoff I think your on drugs right now as your writing this.You not making any sense.We were talking about illegal drugs not if drugs were legalized.How the hell would I know what would happen if Drugs were legalized and that you could goto your local 711 and pick up some coke or your drug of choice. If lawamakers want to ammend the laws to allow drug use.So be it. But…

Right now Drugs are illegal and illegal Drugs are responsible for most of the violent crime one way or the other in this country.

What if my mother gets shot walking home because of a drug deal gone wrong?The only thing she is guilty of is being as the wrong place at the wrong time,
Then is does become my problem of what your injesting.

On a secondary note I don’t give a fuck if you want to use drugs in the privacy of your own home.Actually I don’t give a shit what you do in your constitutionally protected home.

But anybody in law enforcement knows its not just that simple.Along with drugs comes violent crime.

[/quote]

No, I’m not on drugs, perhaps you are since you can’t grasp the simple argument I’m presenting… Let me reiterate. The hypothetical “drug deal gone wrong” you present CAN ONLY HAPPEN BECAUSE DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL. Are you getting what I’m saying yet?

Here let me explain a bit further, you say “Along with drugs comes violent crime”- when what you really mean to say is “ALONG WITH PROHIBITION COMES VIOLENT CRIME”. Do you get it now? Understand it yet?

Legal drugs - no black market, no drug deals, decreased violence
Illegal drugs- black market, drug deals, increased violence

What the fuck about this simple concept don’t you understand?

“illegal Drugs are responsible for most of the violent crime”- Yes, because they’re ILLEGAL.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Nyballer31 wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Nyballer31 wrote:
You should fear the drug sellers poisoning the youth of this country, or the gang wars going on by in LA and other cities near the mexican border that have claimed to many innocent lives or how about Black on Black crimes.

Drug sellers poisoning the youth of society? First of all- do you do “DARE” programs? Sounds like you do.

Anyway, the gang bangers, drug cartels, and violence between them are a product of probhition. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

A violent and wickedly competitive black market for illegal drugs CAN’T EXIST IF THE DRUGS ARE LEGAL. How many gangs do you see slinging cigarettes and alcohol? Yeah, exactly. Maybe you should stop demonizing drugs and demonize the drug LAWS that have birthed this fucked up situation.

Maybe you should listen to cops who have common sense, like LEAP(Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)- http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Up until the early 1900s it was pretty much general consensus that the constitution protected an individuals right to ingest or consume whatever the fuck they wanted. That’s what we need to get back to, immediately.

Great lets have a society of everybody walking down the street shot up with heroin,on Pcp. That will be great for society.

First of all, it’s not your right to choose what a person can or can’t ingest. It’s their own body, it’s their right to do whatever the fuck they want with it. I could really give a fuck what you think is good or isn’t good for society, it’s a person’s OWN BODY. Get this through your skull.

Legalize drugs and make crimes committed while under the influence of drugs carry harsher penalties. This will discourage irresponsible drug use and keep people planted on their couch if they want to get high.

Aside from that there’s no reason to believe that legalization would jumpstart a huge increase in drug use.

Huffing gasoline will get you high as fuck but I don’t see anybody doing it because of the health risks involved. You think just because heroin is legal that everyone’s going to rush out and buy a bulk sized pack of needles? I don’t think so.

Just like legal drinking keeps people from leaving their couch? If drugs were legal you would have a much larger protion of the population addicted to them.

Do you know what chemicals are used to produce most street drugs? Street drugs do irreversible irreparable damage to people and families. Have you ever dealt with heroin junkies and see what it does to a family?

The developmental disorders innocent babies are born with as a result of drugs. There are a ton of reasons they are not legal, what I have mentioned is the tip of the iceberg.[/quote]

Legal drinking doesn’t keep people from leaving their couch, but committing crimes while drunk doesn’t carry a harsh penalty now does it? Which is what I suggested previously.

I do know some of the chemicals used to produce street drugs. I understand some of them so terrible damage to the human body. People who can’t use responsibly also run the risk of emotionally hurting those around them… AND???

Again, I don’t know how many times I should repeat this either- PERSONAL CHOICE. If a person wants to destroy their own body, that’s their choice! Is it illegal to cut yourself? No. Is it illegal to swallow gasoline, WD-40, bleach? No.

Is it illegal to skydive? No. Illegal to smoke cigarettes, cigars, drink alcohol, chew tobacco? No, no, no, no. Illegal to stuff your fact with trans fats, sugar, white bread? No. Illegal to stuff your childs face with trans fats, sugar, white bread, candy? No.

Just because a drug may or may not ruin a person’s life depending on their ability to use it responsibility is not a supportive argument for criminalization. Should we outlaw the myriad of choices in life that could potentially ruin your body and or personal life? Should we just outlaw “choice” and legally map out everyone’s life for fear of them making bad decisions? And to whose standards? YOURS? The GOVERNMENTS?

There are not a “ton” of reasons drugs are legal. The only reason they’re illegal is because a bunch of ignorant politicians took it upon themselves to rob a person’s right to do what they wish their body. It’s a slap in the face to the constitution and the idea of ‘freedom’. The US now incarcerates more people than any other country on the planet, ahh, freedom.

Please, oh please, explain to me the “ton” of reasons drugs are illegal. This should be entertaining.

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Well I know two cops that I’ll see goose stepping down the street proud of themselves when the gun confiscations come. You tools can justify just about anything to yourselves can’t you?

Hell, I’d back making smoking illegal if it were done by pregnant chicks. In this way it also hurts their child. But if I want to shoot heroin…my body and my business. If dick cops like you weren’t justifying enforcing immoral and illegal laws then most heroin junkies would meet their end when they meet an armed citizen when they try to mug them. Instead, cops like you two probably pat yourselves on the back when you enforce unconstitutional inner city firearms laws.

In the end, I suppose the reason we don’t see eye to eye is that because as a military man I worked to enhance the sphere of liberty. You guys swear to enforce laws. Oftentimes these two ends are mutually exclusive and only the best of you can walk that line. Here’s to hoping with a little bit of self inflection and critical thinking you will figure out where that line is before you go too far over it.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Well I know two cops that I’ll see goose stepping down the street proud of themselves when the gun confiscations come. You tools can justify just about anything to yourselves can’t you?

Hell, I’d back making smoking illegal if it were done by pregnant chicks. In this way it also hurts their child. But if I want to shoot heroin…my body and my business. If dick cops like you weren’t justifying enforcing immoral and illegal laws then most heroin junkies would meet their end when they meet an armed citizen when they try to mug them. Instead, cops like you two probably pat yourselves on the back when you enforce unconstitutional inner city firearms laws.

In the end, I suppose the reason we don’t see eye to eye is that because as a military man I worked to enhance the sphere of liberty. You guys swear to enforce laws. Oftentimes these two ends are mutually exclusive and only the best of you can walk that line. Here’s to hoping with a little bit of self inflection and critical thinking you will figure out where that line is before you go too far over it. [/quote]

Actually I spent 6 years in the Army on 2 deployments. If you want to degrade this 2 name calling we certainly can. It’s easy to isolate 1 heroin junkie to him or herself. Do you realize how many heroin junkies get pregnant? Spread HIV, Hep C and committ crimes while drugged up?

Do you think that making these highly addictive drugs legal, therefore highly taxed and regulated would end the crime associated with them? People will do anything to make the money they need to get their next fix. In my county over half the burgalaries and robberies committed are drug related(money to get rid of the sickness, thats what a junkie calls it when they are kicking). Do you think making this legal is going to stop or increase these crimes?

I know as joe citizen you don’t understand because you never deal with this stuff, this owuld be like me commenting on something in your line of work through misguided info. Get off your high horse about your gun fetish. No one wants to take your gun.

All I care about is making sure street drugs stay illegal. There is no comparing these things to ciggarettes or alcohol, there effects are so different and much more mind altering than any of you can imagine. I for one don’t want to deal with every 18 yr old not only drunk but high on heroin, coke, meth or pcp to boot.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Well I know two cops that I’ll see goose stepping down the street proud of themselves when the gun confiscations come. You tools can justify just about anything to yourselves can’t you?

Hell, I’d back making smoking illegal if it were done by pregnant chicks. In this way it also hurts their child. But if I want to shoot heroin…my body and my business. If dick cops like you weren’t justifying enforcing immoral and illegal laws then most heroin junkies would meet their end when they meet an armed citizen when they try to mug them. Instead, cops like you two probably pat yourselves on the back when you enforce unconstitutional inner city firearms laws.

In the end, I suppose the reason we don’t see eye to eye is that because as a military man I worked to enhance the sphere of liberty. You guys swear to enforce laws. Oftentimes these two ends are mutually exclusive and only the best of you can walk that line. Here’s to hoping with a little bit of self inflection and critical thinking you will figure out where that line is before you go too far over it.

Actually I spent 6 years in the Army on 2 deployments. If you want to degrade this 2 name calling we certainly can. It’s easy to isolate 1 heroin junkie to him or herself. Do you realize how many heroin junkies get pregnant? Spread HIV, Hep C and committ crimes while drugged up? Do you think that making these highly addictive drugs legal, therefore highly taxed and regulated would end the crime associated with them? People will do anything to make the money they need to get their next fix. In my county over half the burgalaries and robberies committed are drug related(money to get rid of the sickness, thats what a junkie calls it when they are kicking). Do you think making this legal is going to stop or increase these crimes?

I know as joe citizen you don’t understand because you never deal with this stuff, this owuld be like me commenting on something in your line of work through misguided info. Get off your high horse about your gun fetish. No one wants to take your gun. All I care about is making sure street drugs stay illegal. There is no comparing these things to ciggarettes or alcohol, there effects are so different and much more mind altering than any of you can imagine. I for one don’t want to deal with every 18 yr old not only drunk but high on heroin, coke, meth or pcp to boot.[/quote]

How much of what you describe is done by drugs and how much of it is done by drug prohibition?

If cocaine and heroin were legal the market could be provide it for a few dollars per kg.

No more need for violent crimes and POOF, all turf wars are gone.

If they were sold over the counter, you could actually identify the producer when his stuff contains impurities or is dosed differently than advertised.

POOF, no more overdosing or spreading of disease through re-usd needles.

And let us not forget how many families and lives are destroyed by detaining non-violent drug users.

So, even if you defend drug prohibition on a purely utilitarian basis, can you really seriously argue that the prohibition approach has done more good than harm?

Also, by confusing the problems caused by drugs and the problems caused by drug prohibition you basically argue that drug prohibition creates so much crime, waste and human suffering that we desperately need more of it.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Well I know two cops that I’ll see goose stepping down the street proud of themselves when the gun confiscations come. You tools can justify just about anything to yourselves can’t you?

Hell, I’d back making smoking illegal if it were done by pregnant chicks. In this way it also hurts their child. But if I want to shoot heroin…my body and my business. If dick cops like you weren’t justifying enforcing immoral and illegal laws then most heroin junkies would meet their end when they meet an armed citizen when they try to mug them. Instead, cops like you two probably pat yourselves on the back when you enforce unconstitutional inner city firearms laws.

In the end, I suppose the reason we don’t see eye to eye is that because as a military man I worked to enhance the sphere of liberty. You guys swear to enforce laws. Oftentimes these two ends are mutually exclusive and only the best of you can walk that line. Here’s to hoping with a little bit of self inflection and critical thinking you will figure out where that line is before you go too far over it.

Actually I spent 6 years in the Army on 2 deployments. If you want to degrade this 2 name calling we certainly can. It’s easy to isolate 1 heroin junkie to him or herself. Do you realize how many heroin junkies get pregnant? Spread HIV, Hep C and committ crimes while drugged up? Do you think that making these highly addictive drugs legal, therefore highly taxed and regulated would end the crime associated with them? People will do anything to make the money they need to get their next fix. In my county over half the burgalaries and robberies committed are drug related(money to get rid of the sickness, thats what a junkie calls it when they are kicking). Do you think making this legal is going to stop or increase these crimes?

I know as joe citizen you don’t understand because you never deal with this stuff, this owuld be like me commenting on something in your line of work through misguided info. Get off your high horse about your gun fetish. No one wants to take your gun. All I care about is making sure street drugs stay illegal. There is no comparing these things to ciggarettes or alcohol, there effects are so different and much more mind altering than any of you can imagine. I for one don’t want to deal with every 18 yr old not only drunk but high on heroin, coke, meth or pcp to boot.[/quote]

First of all- You being a cop doesn’t make you an expert on drugs, at all, so stop talking as if it does.

So an incredibly small percentage of the population are hooked on addictive drugs and a small percentage of that population commits crime to pay for their habit. So we legalize it, and deal with it. Lots of people steal for different reasons- for the rush, for money for bills, for drugs, for food- are you going to outlaw all these too?

Liquor’s legal isn’t it? Despite the fact that we know it impairs an individual, despite the fact that some alcoholics are broke and drink all the time. Imagine if alcoholics had to go to the black market for their “fix”, prices would be extremely inflated and they’d probably resort to crime to be able to afford their bottle. Get it?

And meth or PCP? How many fucking people are using meth and PCP? You want to name the hardest drugs in every argument but the fact is those drugs make up an incredibly small number of drug use. What about people who use things like weed or ecstacy? Where’s your argument against people out looking for donuts and glow sticks?

“There is no comparing these things to ciggarettes or alcohol, there effects are so different and much more mind altering than any of you can imagine” - In terms of how mind altering that’s true, but in terms of health which is what your original argument was, then yes there’s definitely a comparison to be made.

Anyway, I’m sure you have a few drinks here and there, so you’re a gargantuan hypocrite. You think you have a right to do what you want with your body, right? That’s the basic premise of freedom. If a person’s actions don’t interfere with another’s free will or safety, then they should be allowed to take that action. That’s a basic liberty guaranteed to all by the constitution of the United States of America, if you don’t like that or don’t agree with an individual’s right to personal choice than maybe you should leave the country, or run for congress.

I don’t know why you can’t understand the simple fact that cartels and violent gang bangers thrive off of prohibition. You’re essentially encouraging violent gangs to exist, non-violent drug users to be incarcerated, and all the rest of the infinite amount of retardation that comes along with supporting drugs being illegal.

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I feel sorry for the guy, but who would have thought the police doesn’t like people carrying guns, concealed or otherwise.

Is there anybody out there who’s in law enforcement and against gun control?

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Is there anybody out there who’s in law enforcement and against gun control?[/quote]

Actually, most of the cops on this site seem to be against gun control. Including our buddy Snipeout here, who started a thread about that very subject.

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/gun_control