Circumcision?

[quote]helga wrote:
grew7 wrote:
Personally, I’m against for the reasons below:

http://www.lue2.org/genmessage.php?board=400&topic=105375

Your thoughts??

I really hope that is BS. I am circumcised and I have no probs with sensitivity. Obviously I have nothing to compare it to, but I would be concnerned if the head of my penis was any more sensitive.[/quote]

Also calling BS. If my dick was any more sensitive, I’d have to stay at home 24 hours a day to avoid being arrested for walking around with a permanent erection.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Btw, every member of Al Qaida is uncircumcized.
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Good thing you are not in charge of airport security.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Final words: Don’t mess with nature unless it’s necessary. Leave the choice to your children. Being “a bit different” under the shower will do them no harm. [/quote]

I’m glad the choice was not left to me. I would hate to have to pay for this procedure right now or deal with the week of “inactivity” after having surgery at this age. I do think this borders more on cosmetics than necessity, however, I don’t think it is that large of an issue either way. I definitely don’t think it is such an issue that women need to be forming groups with “save the penis” as their motto unless they are lined up outside of my bedroom door. In that case, my penis deserves as much attention as necessary to make sure it safe and happy…with extra focus on the happy.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

I went through it and I turned out only mildly screwy, but much less screwy than a lot of uncircumcised men. Btw, every member of Al Qaida is uncircumcized.

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Maybe u meant to be sarcastic but every member of Al-Qaida is Muslim and Muslims in general practice circumcision.

Regarding sensitivity, from what I’ve heard a circumsized penis actually becomes desensitized and two of my friends claims this to be true from their own experiences. Supposedly it is because a large part of the foresekin has sensitive tissue and also because the penis becomes “dried out”. However, one must remember that indiidual experiences differ and that a large part of what is experienced sexually is mental not just physical (yes, even for men).

Also, circumcision in the US was not instigated in order to provide medical and hygienical “benefits” but rather because of religious and social motives. Doctors believed that masturbation especially in the early teens were leading causes to several disesaes such as epilepsy, tuberculosis and insanity (so in a way yes, there were some supposed medical benefits). The reason that circumcision is widely practiced today can be attributed to traditional practice.

Btw, i don’t think the removal of ones wisdom teeth is comparable to circumcision. Teeth are “growths” not an actual part of one’s body. I mean as a kid i lost many of milk teeth but I never lost my foreskin. See where I am getting at.

In the end I thinks it’s an individual decision that maybe shouldn’t be imposed on young kids if not for religious reasons as such.

Hanzo

okay, so while i took my sweet tinme posting what i did several of you touched on the points i was tryin to make. :slight_smile:

Hanzo

[quote]GeorgeMontyIV wrote:
Carrie77 wrote:
Got a question for those who are pro-circumcision…

If you wouldn’t circ your daughter, why would you do it to your son?

Here’s more info.

Video of a circumcision - not for the squeamish, but I encourage ALL to look - get a clue about what happened to you/your son/your nephew.
http://www.intact.ca/vidintro.htm

its totally different with girls and boys. Girls dont have a sheath covering their clitorises boys have a sheath of skin covering the glans so it will get dirty and nasty for them.

With a girls so called circumcision they remove all or part of their clitoris so its degrading and harmful to them. Not cool to abuse girls like they do in Africa still sometimes.

Reasons why im pro circumcision:

  • cleaner , again the dick cheese thing

A daily shower should take care of that.

  • more sensitive. your glans is the most sensitive part of your penis why cover it up?

It’s naturally covered to prevent de-sensitizing, makes sex a lot more interesting. You helmets wouldn’t understand.

  • I wouldnt want anything that looks like a dogs penis myself.

???

  • Im glad that my penis doesnt look ugly, and i have no ill will towards the doctor that did it or my parents. [/quote]

What do the ladies prefer? And what do they prefer to suck?

Women’s Preferences for Penile Circumcision in Sexual Partners

http://www.circs.org/library/williamson/

Abstract

Regardless of pediatricians’ attempts to negate routine newborn circumcision, U.S. circumcision rates remain constant. This study hypothesized that, because circumcision is usually a maternal choice and the circumcised penises are perceived by young women as more attractive, most women prefer circumcision for sexual reasons.

Of 145 new mothers of sons responding to this survey, 71-83% preferred circumcised penises for each sexual activity listed.

Visual appeal and sexual hygiene were predominate reasons for favoring circumcised sexual partners. Even among women having sexual experience only with uncircumcised partners, only half preferred uncircumcised penises for sexual partners. Eighty-nine percent of the sample had had their sons circumcised. This study furthers debate over whether circumcision decisions should be based solely on medical considerations limited to the newborn period.

[quote]Hanzo wrote:
Also, circumcision in the US was not instigated in order to provide medical and hygienical “benefits” but rather because of religious and social motives. Doctors believed that masturbation especially in the early teens were leading causes to several disesaes such as epilepsy, tuberculosis and insanity (so in a way yes, there were some supposed medical benefits). The reason that circumcision is widely practiced today can be attributed to traditional practice.
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I’m assuming that the unspoken part of this paragraph was that circumsion would reduce masturbation? Cuz shit, it didn’t for me when I was a teen!

[quote]T-Rav wrote:
What do the ladies prefer? And what do they prefer to suck?[/quote]

NOW we get to the real question!

I think this is saying that 3 out of 4 women prefer to suck and fuck a cut cock. Case closed.

[quote]doogie wrote:
Women’s Preferences for Penile Circumcision in Sexual Partners

http://www.circs.org/library/williamson/

Abstract

Regardless of pediatricians’ attempts to negate routine newborn circumcision, U.S. circumcision rates remain constant. This study hypothesized that, because circumcision is usually a maternal choice and the circumcised penises are perceived by young women as more attractive, most women prefer circumcision for sexual reasons.

Of 145 new mothers of sons responding to this survey, 71-83% preferred circumcised penises for each sexual activity listed.

Visual appeal and sexual hygiene were predominate reasons for favoring circumcised sexual partners. Even among women having sexual experience only with uncircumcised partners, only half preferred uncircumcised penises for sexual partners. Eighty-nine percent of the sample had had their sons circumcised. This study furthers debate over whether circumcision decisions should be based solely on medical considerations limited to the newborn period.
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[quote]T-Rav wrote:
I think this is saying that 3 out of 4 women prefer to suck and fuck a cut cock. Case closed.

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And that point right there should be argument enough for circumcision, imo.

DB

[quote]grew7 wrote:
Personally, I’m against for the reasons below:

http://www.lue2.org/genmessage.php?board=400&topic=105375

Your thoughts??[/quote]

This is the same person complaining about the Best Rack thread, who would rather see pictures of circumcision. Things that make you go hmmm…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I definitely don’t think it is such an issue that women need to be forming groups with “save the penis” as their motto unless they are lined up outside of my bedroom door. [/quote]
Spoken like a true P.I.M.P.

Wow, quite a bit of BS on this thread.

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13585.html

Here’s a little excerpt:

"Recent policy statements issued by professional societies representing Australian, Canadian, and American pediatricians do not recommend routine circumcision of male newborns.5,8-10 "

My opinion: You’re cutting off part of your dick for relatively little benefit.

I think newborns should not be cut, it should be a decision they make when they are older.

There really is no reason for it. The cleanliness is a moot point, if your dirty enough to be uncut and have cheese on your dick your going to be dirty if you have cut a dick. You’d get the perception that if you cut your don’t have to clean the fucker.

Anyways I’m uncut and have never had a problem with any chicks swallowing my kids on account of it.

Plus, what’s a sword without a sheath. You won’t get the cool ‘shwing’ noise without the sheath.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
T-Rav wrote:
I think this is saying that 3 out of 4 women prefer to suck and fuck a cut cock. Case closed.

And that point right there should be argument enough for circumcision, imo.

DB[/quote]

If you’re a situation where you can get laid, an uncut wang probably won’t matter much.

And isn’t this body-building forum? I don’t think most chicks would at a well-muscled guy and then ru naway because he’s uncut.

The only time being uncut might hurt is if you bring it up in conversation. Then again, just out-of-the-blue bragging about being cut is probably going to make her think you’re creepy, too.

[quote]CaptainLogic wrote:
Wow, quite a bit of BS on this thread.

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13585.html

Here’s a little excerpt:

"Recent policy statements issued by professional societies representing Australian, Canadian, and American pediatricians do not recommend routine circumcision of male newborns.5,8-10 "

My opinion: You’re cutting off part of your dick for relatively little benefit.[/quote]

-Multiple studies14 comparing the prevalence of UTI in uncircumcised and circumcised male infants have shown a preponderance of UTI in uncircumcised infants.
Wiswell TE, Hachey WE. Urinary tract infections and the uncircumcised state: an update. Clin Pediatr (Phila). 1993;32:130-134

-As noted, in a review published by one of the authors (S.M.) in 1998,6 the association between male circumcision and risk for HIV infection was investigated by 7 prospective studies (from 4 countries). All these studies showed a positive association between lack of male circumcision and risk for HIV acquisition, with approximately a 3-fold relative risk in uncircumcised men. The 1998 review6 also identified 37 crosssectional or retrospective studies, 26 of which (from 8 countries) reported a statistically significant association between lack of male circumcision and risk for HIV infection; an additional 5 studies found a trend toward an association. Again, uncircumcised men had ~3 times the risk of acquiring HIV infection as did circumcised men.

Moses S, Bailey RC, Ronald AR Male circumcision: assessment of health benefits and risks. Sex Transm Inf 1998; 74:368-373

-Strong evidence also links lack of male circumcision to increased risk for genital ulcer disease, particularly chancroid and syphilis. The 1998 review6 identified 11 studies that showed that lack of male circumcision is associated with these types of STDs and none reporting no association or circumcision associated with an increased risk of STD. The strong association between genital ulcer disease and risk for HIV infection lends additional credence to the studies that link lack of circumcision to increased risk for HIV acquisition.23

Pepin J, Plummer FA, Brunham RC, Piot P, Cameron DW, Ronald AR The interaction of HIV infection and other sexually transmitted diseases: an opportunity for intervention. AIDS 1989; 3:3-9

-Uncircumcised male infants often show penile bacterial colonization1731-33 and uropathic bacteria, particularly fimbriated Escherichia coli (the most common cause of UTI) preferentially bind to the mucosal surface of the foreskin.17,32,33 Bacterial colonization results in frequent contamination of voided urine in uncircumcised boys,34,35 and this result necessitates use of more invasive procedures (eg, catheterization, bladder tap) to obtain a valid urine specimen from boys whose foreskin is present. Also, virally infected Langerhans cells found in the foreskin36 have been implicated in binding HIV, a possible biologic explanation for the increased prevalence of HIV and other STD in uncircumcised men,37 in addition to increased propensity of the delicate foreskin mucosa to tear during intercourse providing a portal of entry for HIV.

Fussell EN, Kaack MB, Cherry R, Roberts JA Adherence of bacteria to human foreskins. J Urol 1988; 140:997-1001

Wiswell TE, Miller GM, Gelston HM Jr, Jones SK, Clemmings AF. Effect of circumcision status on periurethral bacterial flora during the first year of life. J Pediatr. 988;113:442-446

Lohr JA The foreskin and urinary tract infections. J Pediatr 1989; 114:502-504

Schoolnik GK How Escherichia coli infects the urinary tract. N Engl J Med 1989; 320:804-805

My opinion is that it may not be necessary, but the belief that it provides no benefits is also false.

[quote]Hanzo wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:

I went through it and I turned out only mildly screwy, but much less screwy than a lot of uncircumcised men. Btw, every member of Al Qaida is uncircumcized.

Maybe u meant to be sarcastic but every member of Al-Qaida is Muslim and Muslims in general practice circumcision.

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Hanzo,
From Merriam-Webster’s definition of Humor:
“that quality which appeals to a sense of the ludicrous or absurdly incongruous.”

Perhaps it was a poor attempt, but it was ludicrous.

I am very proud of the fact that I don’t know shit about Al Qaida penises.

DB

I know from a very reliable source that uncircumcised men go to hell when they die. I actually have it in writing, which means it’s true. (sarcasm)

The fervor with which this is being argued is somewhat funny to me. I could care less which way people choose to go with their kids. My father was uncut, I’m cut, my son is cut, you’re cut and hate your parents for it, he’s cut and swears his future sons will never be cut. Whatever. If only some important issues were addressed with this energy, the world would be a much nicer place.

DB