Circumcision Ban

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ephrem wrote:
The president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

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Am I the only one who sees the irony and outright hypocrisy of what Dieter Graumann is saying? What about the self determination of the defenseless children who are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation to satisfy the religious beliefs of the adults who are supposed to be caring for them?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
The president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

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Am I the only one who sees the irony and outright hypocrisy of what Dieter Graumann is saying? What about the self determination of the defenseless children who are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation to satisfy the religious beliefs of the adults who are supposed to be caring for them?

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91% of boys born in the US in the 70’s and 83% born in the 80’s were circumcised. How has their ‘self determination(?)’ been curtailed?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
The president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

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Am I the only one who sees the irony and outright hypocrisy of what Dieter Graumann is saying? What about the self determination of the defenseless children who are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation to satisfy the religious beliefs of the adults who are supposed to be caring for them?

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And why oh why do we think in the west that female circumcision is a barbaric practice but think nothing of male circumcision?

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
The president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

[/quote]

Am I the only one who sees the irony and outright hypocrisy of what Dieter Graumann is saying? What about the self determination of the defenseless children who are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation to satisfy the religious beliefs of the adults who are supposed to be caring for them?

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And why oh why do we think in the west that female circumcision is a barbaric practice but think nothing of male circumcision?
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Because despite the fact that I can blow a load from foreskin stimulation, it’s clearly a non-sexual flap of unnecessary skin.

Also, apparently Jews, Muslims, and some Christians are unable to last long enough in bed to satisfy their women that they must undergo mutilation to feel more manly.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
The president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

[/quote]

Am I the only one who sees the irony and outright hypocrisy of what Dieter Graumann is saying? What about the self determination of the defenseless children who are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation to satisfy the religious beliefs of the adults who are supposed to be caring for them?

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And why oh why do we think in the west that female circumcision is a barbaric practice but think nothing of male circumcision?
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Ah…because female circumcision:

A) Is kind of equivalent to having your whole dick removed as it’s a clitoridectomy.

and

B) Is very often carried out on young women/girls against their will using razor blades/glass etc.

And for this reason is nothing like having a small piece of skin removed from the end of the penis of a baby. How’d I do?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
The president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

[/quote]

Am I the only one who sees the irony and outright hypocrisy of what Dieter Graumann is saying? What about the self determination of the defenseless children who are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation to satisfy the religious beliefs of the adults who are supposed to be caring for them?

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91% of boys born in the US in the 70’s and 83% born in the 80’s were circumcised. How has their ‘self determination(?)’ been curtailed?[/quote]

Really? This needs explaining? I would have thought it was self evident. The children are subjected to an amputation of a part of their body that will not grow back without any consultation to ascertain the child’s point of view of what they want done to their body. Secondly this is done against their wishes and ignoring the childs protests. It is assault.

I’ll now repeat. No permissions is sought. Screams of protest against the amputation are ignored. The child is denied self determination.

The only reason why the percentage is so high in the US is because the medical profession here is dominated by backwards Jews who refuse to give up barbaric, primitive practices. Also in the hospitals when the mother delivers the child the consent to circumcision form is routinely put in with all the other pieces of paperwork that she has to sign at the hospital.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
The only reason why the percentage is so high in the US is because the medical profession here is dominated by backwards Jews . . . . . [/quote]

Yes, the dirty Jooos are behind it.

We also put laser beams on sharks and use vultures as spies.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
The president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

[/quote]

Am I the only one who sees the irony and outright hypocrisy of what Dieter Graumann is saying? What about the self determination of the defenseless children who are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation to satisfy the religious beliefs of the adults who are supposed to be caring for them?

[/quote]

And why oh why do we think in the west that female circumcision is a barbaric practice but think nothing of male circumcision?
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Because despite the fact that I can blow a load from foreskin stimulation, it’s clearly a non-sexual flap of unnecessary skin.

Also, apparently Jews, Muslims, and some Christians are unable to last long enough in bed to satisfy their women that they must undergo mutilation to feel more manly.[/quote]

The are a lot of nerves that run through the foreskin that are severed. I haven’t even mentioned the death rate. The affect on brain development and it’s affect on behavior. There are a lot of good reasons against it.

Also it is not a non-funtional organ. Evolution put it there for a reason. The obvious reason is that it’s purpose is to keep semen concentrated at the tip of the penis directly opposite the opening of the cervix increasing the chances of getting a woman pregnant.

That is how evolution works. If a trait increases survival of the species it is passed on. If less men were circumcised we would have less need for in vitro fertilization.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
The president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

[/quote]

Am I the only one who sees the irony and outright hypocrisy of what Dieter Graumann is saying? What about the self determination of the defenseless children who are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation to satisfy the religious beliefs of the adults who are supposed to be caring for them?

[/quote]

And why oh why do we think in the west that female circumcision is a barbaric practice but think nothing of male circumcision?
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Ah…because female circumcision:

A) Is kind of equivalent to having your whole dick removed as it’s a clitoridectomy.

and

B) Is very often carried out on young women/girls against their will using razor blades/glass etc.

And for this reason is nothing like having a small piece of skin removed from the end of the penis of a baby. How’d I do?[/quote]

Epic fail!

A.) It causes desensitization of the glans by severing nerves and for that reason is similar to a clitorodectomy.

B.) It is carried out against the wishes of the boys it is perpetrated against.

So for those reasons it is no different.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The only reason why the percentage is so high in the US is because the medical profession here is dominated by backwards Jews . . . . . [/quote]

Yes, the dirty Jooos are behind it.

We also put laser beams on sharks and use vultures as spies.[/quote]

Doctors and lawyers are two professions that are dominated by Jews. My doctor, dentist, lawyer have at one time all been Jewish.

Obviously there has to be some bias motivating American doctors to perform an unnecessary amputation that can cause infant death.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
The affect on brain development and it’s affect on behavior. [/quote]

Hmmm, let’s think about this.

Jewish men are, on average, 1 standard deviation more intelligent than other folk.

They are also staggeringly under-represented as perveyors of violent crime, and over-represented among successful businessmen and professionals.

And they are overwhelmingly circumcised.

So, to the extent there is an effect on “brain development” and “behavior,” it appears circumcision does wonders.

Or, your entire theory is bullshit, you pick.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
If a trait increases survival of the species it is passed on. If less men were circumcised we would have less need for in vitro fertilization. [/quote]

Let’s see, hasidic Jewish men (100% circumcised) have, on average, 6 kids in Israel, and typically abhor IVF.

So, FAIL.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

B.) It is carried out against the wishes of the boys it is perpetrated against.

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So if that boy turns around and does the same for his son, does that change what your view of his wishes were?

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
The president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

Ironically what women’s rights are concerned with regards to self-determination such a dramatic intervention is just perfectly fine.

We will see Cortes, perhaps this ruling, and subsequent discussion about outdated religious practices, will usher-in a new era of religion-free existence.[/quote]

The discussion you refer to, regarding circumcision, at least, is a valid one.

However, the real motivations behind this act have, I think, really very little to do with human rights at all. In fact, I’d be willing to be that it is just the opposite, a blatant, bigoted attempt to curtail the rights, and therefore the power, over a certain portion of society.

The Jews are VERY aware of this, I’d bet.

Sure would like to hear Jewbacca’s take on this right now.
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Germans are just jealous because our dicks are like 30% bigger than theirs on average, just like our IQs.[/quote]

Higher IQs huh?

Joos must be the real master race!

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The affect on brain development and it’s affect on behavior. [/quote]

Hmmm, let’s think about this.

Jewish men are, on average, 1 standard deviation more intelligent than other folk.

They are also staggeringly under-represented as perveyors of violent crime, and over-represented among successful businessmen and professionals.

And they are overwhelmingly circumcised.

So, to the extent there is an effect on “brain development” and “behavior,” it appears circumcision does wonders.

Or, your entire theory is bullshit, you pick. [/quote]

Intelligence scores are a cultural phenomenon. Jews have for a very long history of being preferential to learning. Part of this is seen in the Jewish tradition of keeping books. Does not the Talmud have specific instructions on the preservation and maintenance of books?

The brain development I was referring to however is the explosive brain development that takes place in the first six months after a bay is born. In that time the brain doubles in size. Even more importantly though is the brain forms new neurological connections at the rate of one million connections a second. This is why the surface of the brain goes from being smooth to folding in on itself.

To inflict such an excruciating, traumatizing assault on a baby during this period will affect how the brain wires itself.

Here is a fact for you. A statistical survey of prison inmates found that that circumcised men are a hundred times more likely to commit a violent crime of assault, rape or murder. So at least statistically it is linked to aggression in men. So there are some statistics to back up what I am saying about brain development.

Just because Jewish men have a high proportion who are in professions it doesn’t mean there aren’t some very aggressive Jews out there. As I previously stated, learning is a traditional part of the Jewish culture. Aside from that having some kind of honest career, even a very humble one can tend to keep one out of trouble. So there is a cause and effect result from the culture of learning. Besides you do make good lawyers and that certainly helps if you do get caught.

Historically Jews have been known as good soldiers. ie. It is now thought that the Jews in Egypt were mercenaries who the Egytians used to protect their north eastern border. You don’t get a reputation as good soldiers without being aggressive.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
To inflict such an excruciating, traumatizing assault on a baby during this period will affect how the brain wires itself. [/quote]

I take it you’ve never seen childbirth.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
If a trait increases survival of the species it is passed on. If less men were circumcised we would have less need for in vitro fertilization. [/quote]

Let’s see, hasidic Jewish men (100% circumcised) have, on average, 6 kids in Israel, and typically abhor IVF.

So, FAIL.[/quote]

Oh of course. How stupid of me. Women have no say in family planning. It’s all up to the men.

The way to test this would be to compare pregnancy rates between groups of men with low sperm counts. I bet the uncut group would be more successful.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

Higher IQs huh?

Joos must be the real master race!
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Yeah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

According to Sifu, it’s because we’re circumcized. Re-wires our brains and makes us super-soldiers, to boot.

Me, I always thought it was because the dumb Jews converted to easier religions.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

B.) It is carried out against the wishes of the boys it is perpetrated against.

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So if that boy turns around and does the same for his son, does that change what your view of his wishes were?

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Not at all. Most people just have a herd mentality. ie There was a video I posted just a few weeks ago of a mother taking her young daughter to be circumcised. All women who haven’t had it done to them would tell you it’s a fucked up thing to do and most men can understand that.

It is only because it was done to them that they think it is normal.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
To inflict such an excruciating, traumatizing assault on a baby during this period will affect how the brain wires itself. [/quote]

I take it you’ve never seen childbirth.[/quote]

Research has shown that the screams of pain from a baby being circumcised are more intense and sustained longer than their normal cries. It is not a sound that they normally make any other time. That should tell you something.