Excellent speech by Pat Buchanan:
“no other career of a western statesman was more calamitous for his country and civilisation than that of Winston Spencer Churchill”.
For rebuttal, I remind you of your previous president.
ah, you make it so easy.
Wait for history to play out.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Wait for history to play out.[/quote]
History has played itself out many times in the same cycles.
Only fools (i.e. most humans) fail to learn its lessons.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
“no other career of a western statesman was more calamitous for his country and civilisation than that of Winston Spencer Churchill”.
For rebuttal, I remind you of your previous president.
ah, you make it so easy.[/quote]
Are you talking about GWB? Please don’t turn this thread into a discussion about that dolt.
Buchanan is fantastically on the mark. Thank god we have him and others like him still around. I’ve said it before, but Buchanan does for history and social issues what Paul and his ilk do for economics. They are both indispensable as two sides of the same, paleo-conservative coin.
The average person is so clueless about WW2 and the true significance and impact of that conflict that it’s startling.
Let’s keep this thread alive until the neocons are forced to make an appearance.
Europeans need to learn real history, as well. They continue to suffer mind-numbing liberal propaganda in their education systems. A lot of our Euro posters could re-educate themselves by listening to Pat.
You aren’t speaking German, I think Churchill and the Allies did something right.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
You aren’t speaking German, I think Churchill and the Allies did something right.[/quote]
Oh, give me a break. This fails on multiple counts.
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No, we’re not speaking German. Instead we’re speaking English, which is a Germanic language with many German loanwords. What exactly would be so terrible about having to speak German in the first place?
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Hitler repeatedly tried to make peace with Britain.
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There is no way that NS Germany or any other nation would have been able to conquer the United States and force its citizens to speak German. That is comical.
I’m afraid you are outclassed, bringing such petty remarks to a debate with the likes of Pat Buchanan.
If the argument is that Churchill won the war for his nation, the point could just as easily be made that he could accomplished the same at a much lesser cost had he been willing to negotiate with Hitler after Dunkirk. Or even earlier, if Britain hadn’t made its war guarantee to Poland.
That’s Pat’s point.
Negotiate with a guy who gassed 6 milion Jews to death, discriminated against gays and wanted to exterminate those who were disabled?
Mmmmkay.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Negotiate with a guy who gassed 6 milion Jews to death, discriminated against gays and wanted to exterminate those who were disabled?
Mmmmkay.[/quote]
Oh, those poor gays!
Dunkirk: May 1940
Wannsee Conference: Jan 1942
You’re a dunce who clearly has no background knowledge of Buchanan’s writings. I wish you’d stop participating in my thread.
Read this instead:
Makavali, I sure hope you’re an American expat. Your ignorance would be embarassing to fellow Kiwi’s.
Two things are clear:
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Nominal Prospect has a major man-crush on “Pat”
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Since only Nominal Prospect knows anything, everyone should GTFO of his thread so he can be alone with “Pat”
Am I more or less on target?
The man is a kook, and the fact that you take issue with me being in this thread is hilarious.
Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.
Someone’s values are going to prevail. Why not ours? Whose country is it, anyway? Whose moral code says we may interfere with a man’s right to be a practicing bigot, but must respect and protect his right to be a practicing sodomite?
What a joke.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.
Someone’s values are going to prevail. Why not ours? Whose country is it, anyway? Whose moral code says we may interfere with a man’s right to be a practicing bigot, but must respect and protect his right to be a practicing sodomite?
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hmmmm…I actually mostly agree with that ^
Pat’s just a good guy who doesn’t get nearly enough attention on this board. I am doing my part to spread his message because I agree with it.
The two names I see mentioned here most often are Ron Paul and Glenn Beck.
Unfortunately, Paul is a bit past his expiration date and Beck isn’t very intelligent.
Paul is right, but he has been saying the same things for years. His message is well known and can be found amongst a number of sources.
Pat, on the other hand, is a prolific contributor whose message is both new and under-exposed. That’s why he deserves the limelight.
I am waiting for a good discussion to begin on WW2. From experience, I know that it takes some coaxing to get the neocons to come out and play.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
The man is a kook, and the fact that you take issue with me being in this thread is hilarious.
Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.
Someone’s values are going to prevail. Why not ours? Whose country is it, anyway? Whose moral code says we may interfere with a man’s right to be a practicing bigot, but must respect and protect his right to be a practicing sodomite?
What a joke.[/quote]
I take issue with you being dimwitted. You should include sources if you’re going to cite quotes.
I don’t see the joke, either. The country was founded on Christian values.
Religion is extremely valuable. Unintelligent people need a framework for understanding the world and their place in it. I am not writing this sarcastically. Religion provides that framework and therefore creates societal stability. That is its entire purpose. It need not be taken literally and never has been by intelligent men.
Atheists who don’t understand the social function of religion are no smarter than bible thumping evangelicals.
Religion serves as a crutch for the weak, who in every society outnumber the strong. When the weak can no longer turn to religion, where will they turn? To government. That’s exactly what has happened in America over the past 60 years. It’s been a disaster from a conservative/libertarian standpoint. That’s what Pat is talking about when he makes those quotes.
Are you implying that a man as prolific in his work as ol’ Pat isn’t well known? What’s wrong with you? Didn’t h work for Reagan? Run for Office? Come on man, only people living under a rock haven’t heard what he has to say.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
The country was founded on Christian values.[/quote]
There’s the joke.
I love the arrogance here.
In truth I don’t know much about Buchanan - which is odd because every time I see, hear or read him, I’m extremely impressed. For one thing, I’m a Traditionalist Catholic and his perspective immediately resonates with me. I’ve never read him but that Churchill book looks interesting. I’ll pick it up.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Religion provides that framework and therefore creates societal stability. That is its entire purpose.
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Okay, now that is false. Thy beloved Pat Buchanan would think so too.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Are you implying that a man as prolific in his work as ol’ Pat isn’t well known? What’s wrong with you? Didn’t h work for Reagan? Run for Office? Come on man, only people living under a rock haven’t heard what he has to say.[/quote]
His public service is well known but many of his views and his excellent recent books don’t get the attention they deserve.
On a board like this one, with so many conservative posters, there’s no excuse for not giving Pat B. more airtime. He is not just another talking head from TV. He really has an in-depth command of history that most people have never heard of.
Though widely criticized by the Left for his use of the term “culture war” to describe the widening gap between social liberals and social conservatives at the 1992 Republican National Convention, that term is now in common usage by commentators on both the Left and the Right.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
In truth I don’t know much about Buchanan - which is odd because every time I see, hear or read him, I’m extremely impressed. For one thing, I’m a Traditionalist Catholic and his perspective immediately resonates with me. I’ve never read him but that Churchill book looks interesting. I’ll pick it up. [/quote]
Case in point.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I love the arrogance here.[/quote]
That was no example of arrogance. That was me defending religion even though I’m an atheist.
Isn’t this guy a holocaust denier?