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[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< Leon, aka Yosemite Sam the Pharisee, you done went and fried your own ass in a skillet. [/quote][quote]Push, you made the remark. I don’t know where and I’m not going to go looking because we’ve banged heads on many different threads. I honestly do not even remember exactly what you did say but you said it.
Now I do believe you have convinced yourself you didn’t.
So the bottom line, hombre, is you’re not willing to go and scour every single exchange we’ve ever had to prove you didn’t say it and I’m not willing to do the same to prove you did. We both are convinced though. That’s why I said it’s time to move on.[/quote]Thanks for the sage advice hombre.
I’m not in a game and apparently you “honestly” remember things that didn’t happen. Church discipline he says. Here we have a guy who publicly defiles the wife of his youth AND the covenant of Christ with His church(which are , according the apostle Paul, directly analogous of one another) telling me about church discipline. My church friends know what I say here. Earlier today I read most of this exchange out loud to one who turned 80 in October and has been saved for over 60 years. Missionary to Portugal when we were young children. These people live and breathe the risen living Christ. You have no Christian sensibilities or instincts whatsoever Push.
You threw a blank, horrible, false accusation at me calculated to discredit my Christian character and then when I demanded that you demonstrate it you had this sudden acute urge to “move on”. Even after Ben had the common decency to look around for himself and see there was none of what you said, you still held to your self professed honest hallucination.
Your accusation is just as false, and from a truly Christian perspective? Just as serious as mine. I simply used your criteria both to make mine and to run away from it when called out. I’m actually a little surprised you didn’t see that comin as soon as I made it. I’m REALLY surprised nobody else did. I have not nor would I ever attack your or anybody else’s wife.
You do a good defense of biblical creation. I’ll give ya that. You do not however posses one particle of evidence of a heart and mind transformed by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That is just the plain truth if any of the scriptural teaching on such things is to be taken seriously. Paul told the Galatians that he wished the judaizers who were corrupting the gospel with circumcision would cut it all the way off.(5:12) This kissy face “do not judge” crap is a characteristic modern abomination based on neo American tolerance. Not the bible.
[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< you disparaging (I didn’t say “attack” - you purposely and dishonestly changed the verb) my wife. >>>[/quote]pushharder wrote: on 01-03-2012, at 11:04 PM[quote]<<< He also personally attacked my wife. >>>[/quote] http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/christopher_hitchens_dies?id=4971674&pageNo=10
Like I say. Not knowing what a wife or a marriage, or the gospel, (or a pharisee) or who Jesus, is, you would think my accusation was worse.
My offer stands. You can sit next to me (or not if you like). Then you can tell them all about my pharisaic record on T-Nation. I am absolutely serious. I will pick you up from the airport myself.
[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< As far your missionary friend I doubt you showed him the pedophile accusation. >>>[/quote]She’s a her and yes I did. I told her yesterday I was thinking of doing it and asked what she thought. She’s also a computer customer of mine.
I have a better idea. 50 caliber sniper canons at one mile. We’ll start out on the valley floor. Coin toss winner gets to pick his ridge. You have 2 hours to get into position. When you see the flare go up from the starting position, fire away.
No body armor (not that it would do much good with this baby). No camouflage. Rather, you must wear leisure suits. I’m not kidding on this one. Remember, you will be buried in it.
No firing before the flare goes up, that would be very unchristian.
Only head shots count. We all want to see this done right.
[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< Watch your step, hypocrite. I know what all of those things are. Most likely much better than you. >>>[/quote]No… you actually have no heavenly idea[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< I’ve got an equally good if not better offer. You come here, hypocrite. You stand next to me and spit and foam at the mouth. I am absolutely serious. I will pick you up from the airport myself. [/quote]We’ve been over this. Our church is in Detroit. You have plenty of money, enough time and you travel quite often. My goal is not to get us somewhere to fight, either verbally or physically. It’s to take you into the presence of the Lord in a house of worship that I KNOW is faithful. To see what happens in you in a room full of the saints of God lifting high praise and adoration to the exalted King of all kings.
I will excuse your, and anybody ease’s misreading of my tone because you don’t know me in real life and I am not always as careful as I should be about how my attitude is perceived. I’m still cookin. My missionary sister, who’s name is Shirley btw, knows me well. Very few explanations are necessary with her. I haven’t spewed or foamed anything. I’ve been at her house almost constantly the last three days helping her with stuff. You would not enjoy her chuckle as she sees how you describe both me and this situation. She’s a Christian ya see. She has the same sensibilities I do.[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< Did she say, “I think that’s an excellent idea, Sam. >>>[/quote]She calls me Greg. [quote]pushharder wrote:<<< He injured your pride by recalling an offhand comment where you disparaged his wife. >>>[/quote]You can’t even recall what YOU said a few days ago, to say nothing of what I’VE said over the last year and a half. My dueling quotes of yours above are irrefutable proof. Also. I didn’t have to tell her anything. She literally laughed when I told her that a guy online was accusing me of attacking his wife. She KNOWS better than that. These people here do not know better than that. Hence my defense of my character. [quote]pushharder wrote:<<< The best thing you can do is toss a pedophile charge at him.” >>>[/quote]There you go again. I never threw any pedophile charge at you and you know that. You “spewed and foamed” an outrageous accusation at me of “attacking” your wife. THEN, you expected me to “move on” and just leave that sitting there on your now utterly proven unreliable word. Just like you, I manufactured an equally outrageous and unfounded charge, set in EXACTLY the same context as yours and waited for a response. Unlike yours though, you weren’t so eager to “move on” and just let that sit there like you were with me were ya? Ya know why? Because YOU are the “hypocrite”. [quote]pushharder wrote:<<< “That’s how we used to do it on the mission field in Portugal! Any of our flock there ever gave us any lip, we’d straighten their asses out in a heartbeat. We even got a couple of 'em criminally prosecuted under false accusations! It was so cool, you’d shoulda been there. They were plumb humble when they got out of the slammer, lemme tell you what! Besides, we both know the Scriptures well enough to know that’s what Jesus woulda done. Do it, Sam, do it!” [/quote]See above and I already told you. She calls me Greg. You don’t really wanna talk about what Jesus woulda done with a man who posts practically nude pictures of his covenant wife mastrubating before tens of thousands of sinners on an internet forum do ya? Really? How bout cheering on fornicating young unbelieving girls? Really? While telling people that this is what His word teaches? Really?
I positively COVET your partnership in the gospel Push. I have always meant that. But your life and your marriage now are an abomination before the God you would meet in the fellowship of my church. I repent every single day. I will continue to pray that you some day(soon) learn what that means too.
LOL, I can’t believe I didn’t see where you were going with the pedophile statement. Well played, man, well played. (Yes I know, you’re not playing.)
I like being able to cheer for Pushharder in a thread about an anti theist 
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:<<< That’s not what this is about. It’s about your inability to maintain a civil discussion. You, like many here, just have to go personal after awhile.
You remind me of some folks running for office. After a bit of campaigning while discussing the issues you get to looking at the poll results and surmise that your only chance of regaining some sort of a lead is to “go negative” and attack your opponent on personal grounds. It’s such a passe method of debate.[/quote]Oh knock it off now will ya? Talk about disingenuous. All I’ve heard from you since is how I’m all whiny now because you showed your superior bible knowledge by mangling me in that debate. Post the freakin link or shut up huh? I don’t know if you noticed, but I’ve been pert near as hard on Aragorn here as I am on you. Not because I hate either one of you, but because I love Jesus and am commanded to defend His truth which is historic and abundantly recorded for all to see.
Only people who claim His name can dishonor it. You don’t see me beatin up on Ben or Sparky here like I am you and Aragorn do ya? Aragorn may be REALLY offended now. My putting you and he together like this. His not understanding why I do that will be further confirmation of what I’ve been saying. Once again. I don’t exactly know what it is about this guy, but Quick Ben will get this lol.
I DO NOT even dislike either one of you guys. That’s not the piont at all
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I’m not going to discuss what you want me to discuss here. You want me to answer any questions you can do so via PM and restate which ones you want me to answer. I’m going to do my best to avoid getting into an argument with you in public, and going to attempt to avoid this thread as well. I don’t appreciate the way you act on here, epistemology aside. Everything I’ve said before stands, but I am not going to reiterate it. Ask me some questions via PM if you’d actually like to know where I stand instead of thinking you know where I stand and putting words in my mouth.
Quick Ben, I’d like to extend you the same offer–If you have anything you’d like to discuss, or questions about me, grab me via PM please :). I’ll do my best to answer.
The only caveat for both of you is that under no circumstances is the PM subject matter–in other words, my stances or beliefs-- to become fodder for internet threads in public view if you disagree with me. It’s fine to say so and disagree, I just don’t want you pulling up quotes from PMs or something of the like. I intentionally try to keep my public posting regarding certain few subjects as neutral as possible, although I certainly don’t succeed as often as I would like. Call it a concession to my inner scientist please; I’d like statements of my positions to be made by me in plain words. I feel very much like Tirib has been putting things on me that are not accurate. besides which, I find I learn best this way and I end up finding out things I would not otherwise read.
At any rate Ben, look forward to chatting with you if you would like. If not, that’s cool. I’ll finish up that link you put up about Mr. Black and White and try to PM you my opinion on it. Looked like an interesting read as far as I got through it.
Oh, and yes, I’m pissed that I get the bad nickname. Grey is so…boring. haha
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:<<< and you were kind of a dick when speaking about her.[/quote]If that is the case then I should repent of this utterly hideous demonstration of gross hypocrisy forthwith. A thing which I am fully prepared to do the VERY SECOND somebody shows that I did it. Go mak. Show us. I can find anything here in under 10 minutes, usually 5. Every last word I have ever said here is public record. Simply show us. My hat will come off and I will literally beg, the Lord first and then Push AND his wife for forgiveness. Further, I do hereby pledge before my God that I will send a one hundred dollar donation to the charity of his choice in his name and post proof that I have done so.
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Well it seems that you are a little bit unprepared when it comes to doing like you have often requested of others in the same thread with something along the lines of “I’m not going to go digging back through 30 pages of post history to answer, there was a thread about it where I laid it out, so please go read that first and come back to me”.
For what it’s worth (which is not going to be much to you) I remember this exchange and I definitely side with Mak here. I was not impressed with you. And I was a little bit offended for push, even though he’s a swinger, because of the stance you take on things and how you say you act vs. how you acted towards him in that instance.
See you in PM if you wish.
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
I have a better idea. 50 caliber sniper canons at one mile. We’ll start out on the valley floor. Coin toss winner gets to pick his ridge. You have 2 hours to get into position. When you see the flare go up from the starting position, fire away.
No body armor (not that it would do much good with this baby). No camouflage. Rather, you must wear leisure suits. I’m not kidding on this one. Remember, you will be buried in it.
No firing before the flare goes up, that would be very unchristian.
Only head shots count. We all want to see this done right.[/quote]
Lol! I agree. You need to be buried in style. Only the finest polyester will do.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:<<< and you were kind of a dick when speaking about her.[/quote]If that is the case then I should repent of this utterly hideous demonstration of gross hypocrisy forthwith. A thing which I am fully prepared to do the VERY SECOND somebody shows that I did it. Go mak. Show us. I can find anything here in under 10 minutes, usually 5. Every last word I have ever said here is public record. Simply show us. My hat will come off and I will literally beg, the Lord first and then Push AND his wife for forgiveness. Further, I do hereby pledge before my God that I will send a one hundred dollar donation to the charity of his choice in his name and post proof that I have done so.
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Well it seems that you are a little bit unprepared when it comes to doing like you have often requested of others in the same thread with something along the lines of “I’m not going to go digging back through 30 pages of post history to answer, there was a thread about it where I laid it out, so please go read that first and come back to me”.
For what it’s worth (which is not going to be much to you) I remember this exchange and I definitely side with Mak here. I was not impressed with you. And I was a little bit offended for push, even though he’s a swinger, because of the stance you take on things and how you say you act vs. how you acted towards him in that instance.
See you in PM if you wish.[/quote]
Both you and Mak need to read the thread in question once more, well maybe not Mak, wouldn’t help.
But you Aragorn should be able to see that Tirib was calling out Pushharder for the lifestyle that he leads his wife in. It would be very hard to do that without mentioning the wife AT ALL, I’m sure you’ll agree. I don’t care one way or the other what kind of sex lives people lead, but you people are stomping all over Tiribulus’ character on accusations that he personally attacked Pushharders wife, which is not true. Again, he was clearly calling out Pushharder for his treatment of Mrs. Push. If you think he treated Push harshly, well that’s a different matter.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< Tirib was calling out Pushharder for the lifestyle that he leads his wife in. >>>[/quote]Every time. It truly and literally breaks my heart. (I have shed real live tears) For my Jesus first who’s covenants are desecrated and defiled and for the women herself. Her willing participation is entirely irrelevant as I have also stated. Once more. There are thousands of people living in rank immorality on this website. He is the only one who attempts to claim that the holy spotless Lamb of God is glorified by his treating his wife like a whore and encouraging all these young people in their sin. THAT is the difference for me. People who see me attacking his wife are seeing what they wanna see. I quite literally have more love and respect for her than he does.
I have never divulged one syllable of what someone has told me in a PM without clearing it with them first. I would submit to a slow torturous death first. However, Aragorn? I’m not closing the door, but I also don’t see myself playing stealth disciple with you either. Many of my heroes died gruesome deaths for the Lord of glory. Your unwillingness to openly declare your views is less than even Push will do. As horrifyingly wrong as he is. I will probably send you at least one though. I’ve been meaning to anyway. Probably not even close to what you think.
I have a further comment, I’ve been praying on about this episode that will have to wait. Legs now, work later.